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Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

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UnSandvich said:
Because players tend to develop over time, especially in their career, and Garland in his mid 20s is closer to the player he is today than Laf was when he was 19 & 20.
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And we really haven't seen any of it from Lafreniere in his 3 years in the league. Even if he does improve we would be thrilled if he scored at the rate Garland has at 5v5 in his career. I am skeptical of that ever being the case. One was also a 5th round pick who is like 5'7" and one was the #1 overall pick in the draft so yeah of course their paths to the NHL were slightly different but by Garland's 2nd season at age 22 he was already at 2P/60, and then he was well over the next 2 years. If Lafreniere does that I will gladly eat my words.
 
haohmaru said:
They both did worse (so far) with the organizations they moved to. Not a compelling argument that something is wrong here.
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Such a tired narrative being pushed by someone who was about as wrong as anyone can possibly be on a player.
 
DanielBrassard said:
And we really haven't seen any of it from Lafreniere in his 3 years in the league. Even if he does improve we would be thrilled if he scored at the rate Garland has at 5v5 in his career. I am skeptical of that ever being the case. One was also a 5th round pick who is like 5'7" and one was the #1 overall pick in the draft so yeah of course their paths to the NHL were slightly different but by Garland's 2nd season at age 22 he was already at 2P/60, and then he was well over the next 2 years. If Lafreniere does that I will gladly eat my words.
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LOL he more or less already scores at the same rate as Garland SMH

You're letting the fact that he's disappointed vs. expectations as a 1st overall pick totally bias you
 
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DanielBrassard said:
And we really haven't seen any of it from Lafreniere in his 3 years in the league. Even if he does improve we would be thrilled if he scored at the rate Garland has at 5v5 in his career. I am skeptical of that ever being the case. One was also a 5th round pick who is like 5'7" and one was the #1 overall pick in the draft so yeah of course their paths to the NHL were slightly different but by Garland's 2nd season at age 22 he was already at 2P/60, and then he was well over the next 2 years. If Lafreniere does that I will gladly eat my words.
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How about we compare their careers from their D+4 on, since that's when Garland actually made it to the NHL? Seems reasonable and doesn't penalize one player for making the NHL in his D+1...
Laf also is much more physical already. Hit at 300% the rate Garland did this year.
 
"Garland's worst season is only slightly better than Lafreniere's best season. They're basically the same."

Talking about development paths is moving the goal psots.

The statement was that they score the same at 5v5. They do not.
 
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Machinehead said:
"Garland's worst season is only slightly better than Lafreniere's best season. They're basically the same."

Talking about development paths is moving the goal psots.

The statement was that they score the same at 5v5. They do not.
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The statement was in regards to trading Lafreniere for Garland and the 11th

I care about the next three years of performance, not that last three. I don't see how this is moving the goalposts.
 
Machinehead said:
"Garland's worst season is only slightly better than Lafreniere's best season. They're basically the same."

Talking about development paths is moving the goal psots.

The statement was that they score the same at 5v5. They do not.
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5v5 numbers are an oversimplification of the original deal which was Garland and the 11th for Lafreniere & Goodrow. Laf's development path is absolutely part of the equation.
 
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McRanger92 said:
Not saying I would do this, but was thinking about a hypothetical Lafreniere/Canucks trade and was curious what people thought. I'm anti-trading the kids but it's mid-May, we're not in it and we may as well play around with some ideas.

Lafreniere & Goodrow to Vancouver for the 11th OA pick, 3rd rounder, 4th rounder, Conor Garland

Rationale would be that Lafreniere may be better served elsewhere, even if I still think theres a good player in there somewhere. Not sure the 11th Overall is high enough to bite the bullet, but it would put us in a position to trade up at the draft. Salaries would be a wash between Laf/Goodrow and Garland, and Vancouver would most likely have no issue buying out Goodrow to save some cap (which also might get him to waive his NTC). The 3rd & 4th are just filler picks for Goodrow because I think he has value. Wanted a 2nd but VAN doesnt have one until 2025.

Let's Drury walk the parallel path of getting a player who fills a need and can help them win now (Garland), while also moving on from a young player that's not working out and still getting a high pick in deep draft.

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I suggested something similar yesterday(minus the 3rd & 4th), I'm really torn on it. I want to see what Laff can become under a new coach but on the other hand he's blocked here and I don't see them moving Panarin or Kreider in the near future. I think Garland can be productive on a line with Panarin and be the guy who drives to the net. Though if Van is trying to trade him and teams willing to take on that salary are asking for a huge sweetener (like a first) and NYR are adding salary maybe they need to add another prospect like Podkolzin or Hoglander?
 
Plus I have my doubts Vancouver would ever do that deal. Even if you think Lafreniere is worth #11 overall, Goodrow for Garland favors the Rangers by a lot IMO but even in the opinion of Vancouver I would think they have no interest in that Goodrow contract.
 
Guyute said:
The statement was in regards to trading Lafreniere for Garland and the 11th

I care about the next three years of performance, not that last three. I don't see how this is moving the goalposts.
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McRanger92 said:
5v5 numbers are an oversimplification of the original deal which was Garland and the 11th for Lafreniere & Goodrow. Laf's development path is absolutely part of the equation.
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If we're talking about the trade, sure. You can be against the trade without making a disingenuous statement about their production.
 
If Vancoouver is looking ot dump Garland, I'd be one board.

GIve them Brodz + mid pick for Garland. If there's a chance he gets bought out, take that cap hit and use it in retention and get something in return.
 
Machinehead said:
If we're talking about the trade, sure. You can be against the trade without making a disingenuous statement about their production.
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Disingenuous my ass. Garland and Lafreniere both scored at the same rate at even strength this year 1.9/60.
 
Anyone who thinks garland is of even near the same value as laff needs their heads examined. Garland’s 3rd year post draft he went 8G and 19A in the ahl. Madness
 
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