Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[MrAlmost]

Goodrow and the 23rd to the Sharks for Sturm and the 26th? That seems like a fair deal.

 

[UnSandvich]

Not saying I would do this, but was thinking about a hypothetical Lafreniere/Canucks trade and was curious what people thought. I'm anti-trading the kids but it's mid-May, we're not in it and we may as well play around with some ideas.

Lafreniere & Goodrow to Vancouver for the 11th OA pick, 3rd rounder, 4th rounder, Conor Garland

Rationale would be that Lafreniere may be better served elsewhere, even if I still think theres a good player in there somewhere. Not sure the 11th Overall is high enough to bite the bullet, but it would put us in a position to trade up at the draft. Salaries would be a wash between Laf/Goodrow and Garland, and Vancouver would most likely have no issue buying out Goodrow to save some cap (which also might get him to waive his NTC). The 3rd & 4th are just filler picks for Goodrow because I think he has value. Wanted a 2nd but VAN doesnt have one until 2025.

Let's Drury walk the parallel path of getting a player who fills a need and can help them win now (Garland), while also moving on from a young player that's not working out and still getting a high pick in deep draft.

Flame on

That's pretty terrible value. Garland is a borderline buyout candidate, and certainly a cap dump. I wouldn't give up Lafreniere for the 11th overall on its own, let alone taking 5m in cap space back.

 

[LORDE]

Until this franchise changes some real issues top down… getting new players for the ones we have is just the same hamster wheel

If said players are young, we’ll ruin them. If they’re vets we’ll hand them the keys to the asylum.

The “new” coach isn’t changing anything. Especially w the shitshow of scouts & development coaches and of course the rudderless ship that is management who feel rebuilding & competing CAN happen simultaneously.

We are F-ED IN THE A

 

[EdJovanovski]

I can’t believe people want Knoblauch to be coach. Run Hartford so terribly kids refuse to report, request trades, and nobody develops. I want someone from as far outside this organization as possible.

 

[McRanger92]

I can’t believe people want Knoblauch to be coach. Run Hartford so terribly kids refuse to report, request trades, and nobody develops. I want someone from as far outside this organization as possible.

Superstars like Lias Andersson and Kravtsov? How many people can we blame before we acknowledge those guys just suck?

That's pretty terrible value. Garland is a borderline buyout candidate, and certainly a cap dump. I wouldn't give up Lafreniere for the 11th overall on its own, let alone taking 5m in cap space back.

The cap space is a wash and we're trading our own buyout candidate in the deal lol. I bet a lot of NHL people would say Lafreniere for a pick in that range is fair value, given that this is a "generational" (not my words) draft and what we've seen from Laf so far.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Superstars like Lias Andersson and Kravtsov? How many people can we blame before we acknowledge those guys just suck?

Lundkvist refused to even show up to camp, Reaunanen refused to report to Hartford when Krav did and played a while before leaving, Reaunenen left right away. Ryan Graves, Sean Day & Ryan Gropp requested trades while on Hartford too.

There’s some sort of problem here.

 

[McRanger92]

Lundkvist refused to even show up to camp, Reaunanen refused to report to Hartford when Krav did and played a while before leaving, Reaunenen left right away. Ryan Graves, Sean Day & Ryan Gropp requested trades while on Hartford too.

There’s some sort of problem here.

Lundkvist played the entire second half of the 2022 season in Hartford with no complaints. His trade request at least made sense from a roster standpoint. The only other player you mentioned who is even in the NHL right now is Graves and I'd say that was more of a self scouting issue on the Rangers part. There's not an AHL coach alive who wouldve made any of these guys good players.

I did laugh at the Sean Day mention. Exceptional status my ass. People forget how bare the cupboard was only a few years ago.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Lundkvist played the entire second half of the 2022 season in Hartford with no complaints. His trade request at least made sense from a roster standpoint. The only other player you mentioned who is even in the NHL right now is Graves and I'd say that was more of a self scouting issue on the Rangers part. There's not an AHL coach alive who wouldve made any of these guys good players.

I did laugh at the Sean Day mention. Exceptional status my ass. People forget how bare the cupboard was only a few years ago.

Graves was also traded before Knoblauch was hired.

More jovo misinformation.

 

[McRanger92]

Graves was also traded before Knoblauch was hired.

More jovo misinformation.

Why am I not surprised? Marginal prospects request trades or flee to Europe all the time at the AHL level. It's not unique to the Rangers. Hell, in every instance he mentioned the team was right to move on.

 

[duhmetreE]

Leach makes the most sense, therefore it wont happen

 

[I Eat Crow]

Not saying I would do this, but was thinking about a hypothetical Lafreniere/Canucks trade and was curious what people thought. I'm anti-trading the kids but it's mid-May, we're not in it and we may as well play around with some ideas.

Lafreniere & Goodrow to Vancouver for the 11th OA pick, 3rd rounder, 4th rounder, Conor Garland

Rationale would be that Lafreniere may be better served elsewhere, even if I still think theres a good player in there somewhere. Not sure the 11th Overall is high enough to bite the bullet, but it would put us in a position to trade up at the draft. Salaries would be a wash between Laf/Goodrow and Garland, and Vancouver would most likely have no issue buying out Goodrow to save some cap (which also might get him to waive his NTC). The 3rd & 4th are just filler picks for Goodrow because I think he has value. Wanted a 2nd but VAN doesnt have one until 2025.

Let's Drury walk the parallel path of getting a player who fills a need and can help them win now (Garland), while also moving on from a young player that's not working out and still getting a high pick in deep draft.

Flame on

I run away laughing like a hyena. Take out Garland and it's much closer, but even then I still don't think Vancouver does it. I'd be absolutely thrilled with a player like Perreault, Benson, Sale, Cristall, or Danielson here.

 

[McRanger92]

I run away laughing like a hyena. Take out Garland and it's much closer, but even then I still don't think Vancouver does it. I'd be absolutely thrilled with a player like Perreault, Benson, Sale, Cristall, or Danielson here.

So far I've got a "hell no" and a "hell yes". Makes me think I'm on to something

 

[bhamill]

Not saying I would do this, but was thinking about a hypothetical Lafreniere/Canucks trade and was curious what people thought. I'm anti-trading the kids but it's mid-May, we're not in it and we may as well play around with some ideas.

Lafreniere & Goodrow to Vancouver for the 11th OA pick, 3rd rounder, 4th rounder, Conor Garland

Rationale would be that Lafreniere may be better served elsewhere, even if I still think theres a good player in there somewhere. Not sure the 11th Overall is high enough to bite the bullet, but it would put us in a position to trade up at the draft. Salaries would be a wash between Laf/Goodrow and Garland, and Vancouver would most likely have no issue buying out Goodrow to save some cap (which also might get him to waive his NTC). The 3rd & 4th are just filler picks for Goodrow because I think he has value. Wanted a 2nd but VAN doesnt have one until 2025.

Let's Drury walk the parallel path of getting a player who fills a need and can help them win now (Garland), while also moving on from a young player that's not working out and still getting a high pick in deep draft.

Flame on

I've seen way worse proposals. And I'm in the "anti trading the kids" camp as well.

 

[McRanger92]

I've seen way worse proposals. And I'm in the "anti trading the kids" camp as well.

Look I understand the calls to move on from Lafreniere, but every time I ask people in that camp what they are trading him for, I get nothing. Just trying to get a gauge on what type of return is worth moving him with this hypothetical. And who knows, Vancouver may covet him and make a better deal than this. His old agent is their assistant GM, I think he would succeed playing on a line with JTM or Pettersson. I do think that if none of our 3 LWs are switching positions, the best bet might be to move him. He wont breakout playing 3rd line minutes with no special teams time here.

 

[tomobson]

Ranger fans sure do love the idea of putting their young C with upside out of position on the RW for some god forsaken reason

Chytil isn't going to forget how to play center. I'm tired of seeing 3rd line grinders taking a spot on the top six. Putting a Goodrow/Fast type player at 2rw makes the lines weaker. They can use the little cap space they have to find an actual good third liner and play them on the THIRD LINE. That might be too crazy of a concept for the rangers management/coaching staff though. The rangers don't have the money to fill in the hole at 2rw. They can only look in-house. If Chytil turns into a legitimate top six RW that can play center for the next four years at $4.4 mill...then that's a steal, but there is only one way to find out.

edit: I'm fine if Trocheck is willing to try the RW so Chytil can move up to 2c. The position doesn't really matter too much. The rangers need him in the top six in any position possible because they have a massive hole in the top six without him up there. Trocheck and Chytil are both too good to be on the third line when there is a hole in the top six.

 

[bhamill]

Look I understand the calls to move on from Lafreniere, but every time I ask people in that camp what they are trading him for, I get nothing. Just trying to get a gauge on what type of return is worth moving him with this hypothetical. And who knows, Vancouver may covet him and make a better deal than this. His old agent is their assistant GM, I think he would succeed playing on a line with JTM or Pettersson. I do think that if none of our 3 LWs are switching positions, the best bet might be to move him. He wont breakout playing 3rd line minutes with no special teams time here.

I hear you.

 

[UnSandvich]

Superstars like Lias Andersson and Kravtsov? How many people can we blame before we acknowledge those guys just suck?



The cap space is a wash and we're trading our own buyout candidate in the deal lol. I bet a lot of NHL people would say Lafreniere for a pick in that range is fair value, given that this is a "generational" (not my words) draft and what we've seen from Laf so far.

The difference is that Laf scores at basically the same rate 5v5 as Garland, while being both younger and half the cost, with growth potential. And considering Goodrow is likely gone either way, I don’t see this as being an upgrade.

Also, tbh I think this draft is getting overrated bc of the top 3. After Bedard, Michkov, Fantilli, this draft is slightly above average at best. I mean, look how many people are talking about Reinbachee going 5 or 6.

 

[Savant]

I can’t believe people want Knoblauch to be coach. Run Hartford so terribly kids refuse to report, request trades, and nobody develops. I want someone from as far outside this organization as possible.

I mean, to be fair, I wouldn’t want to go to Hartford, CT either

 

[McRanger92]

The difference is that Laf scores at basically the same rate 5v5 as Garland, while being both younger and half the cost, with growth potential. And considering Goodrow is likely gone either way, I don’t see this as being an upgrade.

Also, tbh I think this draft is getting overrated bc of the top 3. After Bedard, Michkov, Fantilli, this draft is slightly above average at best. I mean, look how many people are talking about Reinbachee going 5 or 6.

All good points. My preference would be Vancouver buying out Garland and us getting him that way. I think acquiring a speedy, physical forechecker who can go to the blue paint to score, especially on the cheap, needs to be a priority. Especially considering the space we have to add to the roster is very limited.

I'm definitely with you on the draft being overhyped for the 15th year in a row. It's like Ranger fans haven't learned that prospects are called prospects for a reason and nothing is guaranteed.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Not saying I would do this, but was thinking about a hypothetical Lafreniere/Canucks trade and was curious what people thought. I'm anti-trading the kids but it's mid-May, we're not in it and we may as well play around with some ideas.

Lafreniere & Goodrow to Vancouver for the 11th OA pick, 3rd rounder, 4th rounder, Conor Garland

Rationale would be that Lafreniere may be better served elsewhere, even if I still think theres a good player in there somewhere. Not sure the 11th Overall is high enough to bite the bullet, but it would put us in a position to trade up at the draft. Salaries would be a wash between Laf/Goodrow and Garland, and Vancouver would most likely have no issue buying out Goodrow to save some cap (which also might get him to waive his NTC). The 3rd & 4th are just filler picks for Goodrow because I think he has value. Wanted a 2nd but VAN doesnt have one until 2025.

Let's Drury walk the parallel path of getting a player who fills a need and can help them win now (Garland), while also moving on from a young player that's not working out and still getting a high pick in deep draft.

Flame on

That is a trade I have been contemplating as well and I would do it, even without the 3rd and 4th involved.

 

[DanielBrassard]

The difference is that Laf scores at basically the same rate 5v5 as Garland, while being both younger and half the cost, with growth potential. And considering Goodrow is likely gone either way, I don’t see this as being an upgrade.

Also, tbh I think this draft is getting overrated bc of the top 3. After Bedard, Michkov, Fantilli, this draft is slightly above average at best. I mean, look how many people are talking about Reinbachee going 5 or 6.

No he doesn't score at the same rate as Garland at 5v5. That is just simply untrue. It's not that hard to look it up.

 

[UnSandvich]

All good points. My preference would be Vancouver buying out Garland and us getting him that way. I think acquiring a speedy, physical forechecker who can go to the blue paint to score, especially on the cheap, needs to be a priority. Especially considering the space we have to add to the roster is very limited.

I'm definitely with you on the draft being overhyped for the 15th year in a row. It's like Ranger fans haven't learned that prospects are called prospects for a reason and nothing is guaranteed.

Don’t get me wrong, I 100% agree that we should be in on Garland if he’s bought out. I’m just not interested in moving Laf to make room for him

 

[Guyute]

No he doesn't score at the same rate as Garland at 5v5. That is just simply untrue. It's not that hard to look it up.

Garland was putting up 0.5 ppg in the AHL when he was Laf's current age.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Look I understand the calls to move on from Lafreniere, but every time I ask people in that camp what they are trading him for, I get nothing. Just trying to get a gauge on what type of return is worth moving him with this hypothetical. And who knows, Vancouver may covet him and make a better deal than this. His old agent is their assistant GM, I think he would succeed playing on a line with JTM or Pettersson. I do think that if none of our 3 LWs are switching positions, the best bet might be to move him. He wont breakout playing 3rd line minutes with no special teams time here.

The realistic trade I could see is chicago putting together a package for Laff.

To NYR: 19OA, 35 OA, 44OA
To CHI: Laff

I’m not positive id do it as NYR but you can see why CHI would. Gets bedard a 21-22 year old winger to grow with and rebuild the right way.

 

[McRanger92]

Don’t get me wrong, I 100% agree that we should be in on Garland if he’s bought out. I’m just not interested in moving Laf to make room for him

Agreed. The only way they get fair value for Lafreniere right now is with a high draft pick, which is not really what the team needs right now, and who knows if a team is even willing to do that. Verdict is keep him imo.