Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[Synergy27]

I don't want to get involved in whatever you guys have going on, but my understanding of why the 'stats nerds' use 5v5 and 5v4 rather than EV and PP is that it provides a 'clearer' picture over time as it eliminates the rarer events that can skew the stats. 4v4 hockey doesn't happen very often so is considered 'different', so the argument is that 5v5 provides better insights than if you include 4v4 like EV would (and if EV includes the 3v3 OT then it gets even further away from 'normal' hockey).
In the same way, including 5v3 in PP stats can skew the data based on a relatively rare event.

Consider yourself involved.

I can see that. I haven’t done the full calculation, but I can’t imagine that the limited sample of other than 5 on 5 even strength play would skew the numbers all that much.

According to naturalstattrick, his xGF% over the last two playoffs combined is 42.86% at ES and 38.29% at 5v5. So actually worse at 5v5 overall, implying that he’s pretty good at 4v4 which makes sense given the extra open ice.

These numbers are horrid any way you slice them, and they agree with the eye test and the simple production stats.

 

[RangersFan1994]

If the Rangers end up moving on from Jones or Lindgren I wouldn’t mind taking a look at Durzi from LA assuming they re-sign Garikgov

Druzi is underrated and a RHD not LHD. Doubt Kings deal him unless overpayment in my opinion. He’d cost a 1st I would think at least. He’s a top 4 in my opinion. He is a RHD. Rangers need better depth for LD.


Trouba - set
Fox - set
Schneider - set

Lindgren - set
Miller RFA - set if not dealt for upgrade
Harpur? - 6th7th at best not top 4 or to 6 everyday player
Robertson - ?
Scalin ?
?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Until this team figures out how to break out together as a group it will never improve. Imo a problem for us is Panarin who has a problem getting the puck out on his off wing, maybe move him to the right side, Kakko moves up to Zibs line, laf takes the left wing spot with Panarin and Trochek. Fill in the rest, but none of this helps unless we get the breakout going. The book is out on us that if you put heavy pressure on our d they have a hard time getting the puck out cleanly.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Fact that Chytil gets more on the open market is irrelevant atp
The math is the math
4+ x 3 = just over 13
and that is like I said ballpark to bread's 11.6

And yes I prefer 3 Chytils, or even just the potential opportunity to sign 3 Chytils, instead of of bread

Lol so where do you get the other two chytils without 2 more first round picks that hit each year? Very silly post

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

You guys ever see bobby trivigno getting a shot at the big club? Been watching the pack recently, kid is fast as hell. Reminds me of a kind of pest version of tyler motte.

 

[CLW]

Yeah. This was all on Drury... Gallant's system works, Panarin's style works... putting icing on a loaf of bread doesn't make it a cake.

Things work if the pieces fit. Gallant was toxic to this mix of Rangers. Very poor coach that failed to adapt to even the most obvious issues. Panarin's lines haven't worked properly for ages.

 

[McRanger92]

Druzi is underrated and a RHD not LHD. Doubt Kings deal him unless overpayment in my opinion. He’d cost a 1st I would think at least. He’s a top 4 in my opinion. He is a RHD. Rangers need better depth for LD.


Trouba - set
Fox - set
Schneider - set

Lindgren - set
Miller RFA - set if not dealt for upgrade
Harpur? - 6th7th at best not top 4 or to 6 everyday player
Robertson - ?
Scalin ?
?

Durzi can play both sides and is a good puck mover. Feisty for a smaller guy too. Kings need to move out defense but Durzi seems like he could be another man’s treasure. Not sure it makes sense for us though.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Durzi can play both sides and is a good puck mover. Feisty for a smaller guy too. Kings need to move out defense but Durzi seems like he could be another man’s treasure. Not sure it makes sense for us though.

I thought he just played RD. Anyways he would be worth it but Rangers cant throw away another 1st especially if he is not signed long term

 

[EdJovanovski]

Kakko

 

[duhmetreE]

Kakko

We are master developers

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Granted a small sample size but not sold on knoblauch after watching a handful of pack games

 

[Synergy27]

Kakko

This is f***ing infuriating and depressing.

I wish someone would ask these kids straight up about what the hell happened. This is crazy shit.

 

[Doriva]

It's time to bring up moving Laffy to Center again.. Not comfortable on the right? No problem... maybe a change can help snap him out of this dark place


Kreider Zibs Kakko
Panarin Laffy Garland
Engvall Trocheck Chytil

dont ask me about cap

No comment on the rest of the moves, but at this point why not throw him there and see what happens. Why not ?

Realistically now we would get a late first / early second round pick that would probably have less % chance of becoming a useful C as Laf does because of his perceived pedigree. Laf reminds me of JT Miller in a weird way. My memory might be foggy but I seem to recall JT became a much better player for the Rangers when he switched out to wing and got on a little bit a of a groove. It was fleeting, but for a while he was looking unstoppable and like he could become a monster if we were capable of development. Giving him up for free was so pointless and set us back so much, I hope we try everything with Laf before we do the same thing again.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Kakko

I can't even.

 

[NYR Viper]

What about going after someone like Barrett Hayton? He had a pretty decent season last year in Arizona. He played with Lafreniere in the WJC. He’s young and could slide into the 3C role if they decided to slide Chytil to RW. My thought would be:

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kaako
Panarin-Trochek-Chytil
Lafreniere-Hayton-UFA
Motte-UFA-Vesey

Options for UFA’s based on contract requests
Brown
Rodriguez
Sheary
Eller
Acciari
Garland(if bought out)
Hathaway
Nyquist
Blueger

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Ranger fans sure do love the idea of putting their young C with upside out of position on the RW for some god forsaken reason

 

[NYR Viper]

Ranger fans sure do love the idea of putting their young C with upside out of position on the RW for some god forsaken reason

There’s loads of reasons to move him.
1) he isn’t an overly effective distributor of the puck
2) it’s actually quite a benefit to the team as a whole to have a 5th center on the roster who can slide over and take over that responsibility should an injury occur to any of the top-9 centers
3) moving to wing allows him to simplify his game and utilize his speed and strength to create offense, which he is very adept at
4) it gives him more minutes and opportunities with the teams best players in lieu of playing on a 3rd line
5) it helps fill a long term hole on RW, assuming they can more easily fill the 3C role from outside sources (UFA, trade or draft)

 

[LokiDog]

What about going after someone like Barrett Hayton? He had a pretty decent season last year in Arizona. He played with Lafreniere in the WJC. He’s young and could slide into the 3C role if they decided to slide Chytil to RW. My thought would be:

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kaako
Panarin-Trochek-Chytil
Lafreniere-Hayton-UFA
Motte-UFA-Vesey

Options for UFA’s based on contract requests
Brown
Rodriguez
Sheary
Eller
Acciari
Garland(if bought out)
Hathaway
Nyquist
Blueger

Garland, Rodriguez or Sheary for the 3rd line and Acciari for the 4th would actually be a pretty nice mix. I don’t think we can afford Hayton and two UFAs (plus Motte) even with Goodie shipped out. Plus we’re probably taking a contract back in that deal, and we need a 6D.

We’ve got 11.75M. If you have Motte and Laf signed, that’s probably roughly the same as Goodrow’s cap going out, maybe a touch more. Then you have that 11.75M and need to extend Miller, find a backup, find a 6D and fill 1-3 forward spots. With Motte brought back, Goodrow out and no kids called up we have 9 forwards, 5D (not counting Harpur) and 1G.

 

[duhmetreE]

There’s loads of reasons to move him.
1) he isn’t an overly effective distributor of the puck
2) it’s actually quite a benefit to the team as a whole to have a 5th center on the roster who can slide over and take over that responsibility should an injury occur to any of the top-9 centers
3) moving to wing allows him to simplify his game and utilize his speed and strength to create offense, which he is very adept at
4) it gives him more minutes and opportunities with the teams best players in lieu of playing on a 3rd line
5) it helps fill a long term hole on RW, assuming they can more easily fill the 3C role from outside sources (UFA, trade or draft)

He's also bad at faceoffs, bad at defending/positioning and has room temperature hockey IQ

 

[duhmetreE]

What about going after someone like Barrett Hayton? He had a pretty decent season last year in Arizona. He played with Lafreniere in the WJC. He’s young and could slide into the 3C role if they decided to slide Chytil to RW. My thought would be:

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kaako
Panarin-Trochek-Chytil
Lafreniere-Hayton-UFA
Motte-UFA-Vesey

Options for UFA’s based on contract requests
Brown
Rodriguez
Sheary
Eller
Acciari
Garland(if bought out)
Hathaway
Nyquist
Blueger

I was for Hayton before he had a mini breakout season. Doubt they move him

Why would Garland be bought out? They could retain money and trade him if that's the case.

 

[SA16]

What about going after someone like Barrett Hayton? He had a pretty decent season last year in Arizona. He played with Lafreniere in the WJC. He’s young and could slide into the 3C role if they decided to slide Chytil to RW. My thought would be:

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kaako
Panarin-Trochek-Chytil
Lafreniere-Hayton-UFA
Motte-UFA-Vesey

Options for UFA’s based on contract requests
Brown
Rodriguez
Sheary
Eller
Acciari
Garland(if bought out)
Hathaway
Nyquist
Blueger

Why are they trading their 22 year old first line center who just had a breakout season?

 

[bernmeister]

Lol so where do you get the other two chytils without 2 more first round picks that hit each year? Very silly post

again
cart before the horse

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

again
cart before the horse

Again, youre not living in reality

If you had $11.6mm to spend on ufa’s this offseason, considering thats all you could sign the best you could hope for talent wise (forget team fit/position)

1) max domi at around $5-5.5
2) michael bunting at $4-4.5
3) nick bjugstad at $1.5-2

 

[Leonardo87]

This is f***ing infuriating and depressing.

I wish someone would ask these kids straight up about what the hell happened. This is crazy shit.

It’s really simple. You sign Panarin, and Trocheck who take slots away from the Top 6, then at the TDL Drury, brings in Tarasenko and Kane, taking another two spots from them.

Then they were all put together on a 3rd line to either sink or swim, with no vet help. The kids line needs to be thrown to the bottom of the hudson river, and stop catering to Panarin.

We got booted by an inexperienced team that really didn‘t play that great, we shot ourselves in the foot, and relied on vets like Panarin and Trocheck who had 3 points in 7 games combined. Chytil and Kakko had more combined. Heck Chytil had more by himself.

The culture is never going to change with this team, when we keep signing big free agents. Will never be able to develop our forwards when we lock in big contracts that take up their ice time and opportunity for the kids to develop and grow. On top of adding Top 6 talent at the TDL, throwing away our assets. It’s rinse and repeat and it will never change under this impatient ownership.

 

[McRanger92]

Not saying I would do this, but was thinking about a hypothetical Lafreniere/Canucks trade and was curious what people thought. I'm anti-trading the kids but it's mid-May, we're not in it and we may as well play around with some ideas.

Lafreniere & Goodrow to Vancouver for the 11th OA pick, 3rd rounder, 4th rounder, Conor Garland

Rationale would be that Lafreniere may be better served elsewhere, even if I still think theres a good player in there somewhere. Not sure the 11th Overall is high enough to bite the bullet, but it would put us in a position to trade up at the draft. Salaries would be a wash between Laf/Goodrow and Garland, and Vancouver would most likely have no issue buying out Goodrow to save some cap (which also might get him to waive his NTC). The 3rd & 4th are just filler picks for Goodrow because I think he has value. Wanted a 2nd but VAN doesnt have one until 2025.

Let's Drury walk the parallel path of getting a player who fills a need and can help them win now (Garland), while also moving on from a young player that's not working out and still getting a high pick in deep draft.

Flame on