Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[mas0764]

that player is still there.

believe.

Probably not, but I think you can get a better player than you saw this past year.

Somewhere in between would still be very nice. If he can get back to like 0.4 goals per game instead of 0.35 this year and 0.29 last year (0.46 was his high in 2019-20), and get his assists back to like 0.9 instead of 0.77 this year, I think that's doable.

He needs to be on a functional team/line. We had so many issues this year.

 

[McRanger92]

The most disappointing thing about these playoffs wasn't losing - it was the way we lost. We lacked any kind of snarl and urgency and, certainly, direction from the top down.

After all of this talk about saving it for the playoffs, can't wait for the playoffs, more to prove, etc... it was one big f***ing dud.

We can talk all we want about Drury, Gallant, Gorton, Dolan and Sather but it’s ultimately on the players because we’ve seen the team is good enough to make a run

 

[KevinFinnerty]

He was actually awful two years ago. Last year was his best year here (our conference finals loss to Tampa year). This year was somewhere in between.

I think Lindgren is the better player and better value.

I think his first year was his best by far. Especially at even strength he was a monster

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

that player is still there.

believe.

I don't think so. No more big kicks. Obviously he doesn't feel the same physically.

 

[EdJovanovski]

20 better forwards than Panarin isn’t hard…

McDavid, Draisaitl, MacKinnon, Matthews, Barkov, Tkachuk, Kucherov, Pastrnak, Rantanen, Aho, Hintz, Robertson, Connor, Pettersson, Hughes, Marner, Point, Thompson, Stutzle, Kaprizov, Hischier, Crosby, Marchand… honestly Zibanejad, the other Tkachuk, Miller, 300 year old Pavelski, etc.

Most of them produce right on par with Panarin, some better, many are younger and almost all of them have a better two way impact on the game.

We can argue over who does/doesn’t belong on the list (for instance, lots will say no to Hischier, but I’ll take a 24 year old 80 point center nominated for the Selke over a 31 year old 95 point winger who might be the worst defensive impact player on his team in the league) but when you remind yourself Panarin’s cap hit is higher than all but McDavid, it becomes a pretty moot point.

JT Miller is NOT better than Panarin lol, if you think Panarin is hated by this fanbase you should see how Canucks fans feel about Miller

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Probably not, but I think you can get a better player than you saw this past year.

Somewhere in between would still be very nice. If he can get back to like 0.4 goals per game instead of 0.35 this year and 0.29 last year (0.46 was his high in 2019-20), and get his assists back to like 0.9 instead of 0.77 this year, I think that's doable.

He needs to be on a functional team/line. We had so many issues this year.

He was a BIG part of the issues. Lest we forget that the TDL was basically adding Panarin’s super best friends.

2019-20 Panarin is long gone. He’s physically cannot do some of those things anymore. I'd be surprised if his numbers didn't take a further dip next year.

JT Miller is NOT better than Panarin lol, if you think Panarin is hated by this fanbase you should see how Canucks fans feel about Miller

There are other players he didn't mention who are.

I can legit make a list of 10+ defensemen I'd take on this team over Panarin.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

that player is still there.

believe.

I think a lot of the talk around Panarin has reached extreme hyperbole. He had two disappointing playoffs, this year especially, but he is still the best forward on the team at generating chances (even in the playoffs too) and he's still good. I don't see a physically diminished liability with him. In the playoffs I saw a frustrated player who probably had last year's disappointment in his head and was forcing things and gripping his stick too tight. Look at his breakup day comments, that's a guy who wanted badly to perform in the playoffs and psyched himself out.

Trading him really doesn't make us better. This disappointment weighing on him and a new coach will hopefully invigorate him. That's really our best hope. He has to be part of the solution. This guy was a dynamo in the playoffs in Columbus, his first season here he was a puck hound who would routinely win offensive zone battles and create turnovers and would also bust his ass on the back check. That was the Torts influence still being there. I still believe he can get back to that player because I'm fairly certain the block is mental and not physical.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

You all forgot to include BOB in Florida's top 4 most expensive contracts. Between him ($10MM), Barkov ($10MM), Tkachuk ($9.5MM) and Ekblad ($7.5MM) the Panthers are at $37MM.

 

[EdJovanovski]

He was a BIG part of the issues. Lest we forget that the TDL was basically adding Panarin’s super best friends.

2019-20 Panarin is long gone. He’s physically cannot do some of those things anymore. I'd be surprised if his numbers didn't take a further dip next year.



There are other players he didn't mention who are.

I can legit make a list of 10+ defensemen I'd take on this team over Panarin.

Yea I have my own opinion on Panarin as you know, but I can understand people preferring a lot of those guys listed. I just think a lot of Ranger fans are in despair about Miller looking at his stats and thinking he's been all sunshine & rainbows since we dumped him for next to nothing. He was crap for Tampa as well, and has had a very rocky time in Vancouver. He was butting heads with their captain and was involved in drama with the lockerroom, still makes a lot of absolute bonehead plays, gives up on plays to a comical extent, brainless penalties, list goes on.

He also probably doesn't become the player he is today without being traded in 2018 and then again in 2019, he said as much himself.

 

[duhmetreE]

If we're going to make a trade, I'd add a Gourde or Bennett type to play with Panarin. If we can move Panarin? great. Don't see it happening though. Garland makes sense to play with him. how are we going to afford it? no clue.

Move Chytil to RW, he;s not good at Center. He does not do enough things well at Center.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Rest in pieces Arizona Coyotes. It’s about f***ing time. How many years did that organization have to bleed money before it finally f***ing died? And the rest of the league had to suffer for it because Arizona was Bettman’s baby.

 

[Guyute]

I cannot wait for the Gary Bettman and Colin Campbell era to end. Those two are a disgrace.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

that player is still there.

believe.

He doesn't move like this anymore.

But that sauce/Fast's reception on the goal vs Philly was so f***ing dirty. The goal itself was kind of shit but everything else leading up to it was phenomenal.

 

[LannyMcdonald]

If we're going to make a trade, I'd add a Gourde or Bennett type to play with Panarin. If we can move Panarin? great. Don't see it happening though. Garland makes sense to play with him. how are we going to afford it? no clue.

Move Chytil to RW, he;s not good at Center. He does not do enough things well at Center.

There was a time when we talked about going after Goodrow or Gourde as basically equivalent. And we have one of them now. The other’s about to get as expensive, or more.

 

[Machinehead]

JT Miller has 44 points in 78 playoff games.

This board in particular has become obsessed with individual performances in the playoffs. That's the new meme.

Every playoff team, even the ones advancing, have at least one high-end forward that's just kinda farting along.

 

[bernmeister]

I think a lot of the talk around Panarin has reached extreme hyperbole. He had two disappointing playoffs, this year especially, but he is still the best forward on the team at generating chances (even in the playoffs too) and he's still good. I don't see a physically diminished liability with him. In the playoffs I saw a frustrated player who probably had last year's disappointment in his head and was forcing things and gripping his stick too tight. Look at his breakup day comments, that's a guy who wanted badly to perform in the playoffs and psyched himself out.

Trading him really doesn't make us better. This disappointment weighing on him and a new coach will hopefully invigorate him. That's really our best hope. He has to be part of the solution. This guy was a dynamo in the playoffs in Columbus, his first season here he was a puck hound who would routinely win offensive zone battles and create turnovers and would also bust his ass on the back check. That was the Torts influence still being there. I still believe he can get back to that player because I'm fairly certain the block is mental and not physical.

If we recover most of his cap hit, hell even the max retained half, it would make us better

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

JT Miller has 44 points in 78 playoff games.

This board in particular has become obsessed with individual performances in the playoffs. That's the new meme.

Every playoff team, even the ones advancing, have at least one high-end forward that's just kinda farting along.

While that is true about Miller’s playoff numbers you’re being a little misleading because the vast majority of those games were when he was a middle sixer on the Rangers and Tampa and still didn’t even hit his prime yet. The last time Miller was in the playoffs was in 2020 and he had 18 points in 17 games and that’s when his production started to go to the next level.

 

[Machinehead]

While that is true about Miller’s playoff numbers you’re being a little misleading because the vast majority of those games were when he was a middle sixer on the Rangers and Tampa and still didn’t even hit his prime yet. The last time Miller was in the playoffs was in 2020 and he had 18 points in 17 games and that’s when his production started to go to the next level.

Before this past run, Panarin had 44 points in 50 playoff games.

 

[SRHRangers]

The pipe dream is that Panarin is sent off, but the reality is that whoever they hire, will again cater to Bread and we will be doing this all over again.

As bad as I want him moved, he's not waiving that NMC.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Before this past run, Panarin had 44 points in 50 playoff games.

One player has progressively gotten better and one player is progressively getting worse over the last couple of years

 

[Machinehead]

One player has progressively gotten better and one player is progressively getting worse over the last couple of years

Or perhaps you're using a one-year sample on both players and they both regress to where they were.

 

[duhmetreE]

He doesn't move like this anymore.

But that sauce/Fast's reception on the goal vs Philly was so f***ing dirty. The goal itself was kind of shit but everything else leading up to it was phenomenal.

I think that's fixable to an extent.

He has space because he and his teammates are creating space by driving the middle and moving. No one did that with Gallant.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

the problem is his playoff disappearing act and his salary.

I think turk had alot to do with it. Turk basically told the guys, go out there, thats all.

He had been a playoff performer his whole career before turk

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Or perhaps you're using a one-year sample on both players and they both regress to where they were.

Or I’m using logic that Panarin is aging and he’s not the same player he once was and pads his numbers on a good power play while Miller has more gas in the tank while being a little younger and plays in all situations and had 5 short handed goals this year.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

If we recover most of his cap hit, hell even the max retained half, it would make us better

No it wont. Hes a top 20 forward in the game. Wed be worse off without him