Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[zlev]

Why do we want to trade Schneider again?

He's going to be quite useful and a necessity when this teams gets ride of their dumb dumb contracts next summer.

because he sucks even if his cap hit was $0

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

He's going to be awfully easy to move when the time comes though.

Trouba/Lindgren are guys who are overvalued by teams. No joke, we could probably build something around Lindgren for Nylander and that shouldn't be possible but this is the league we watch (Lindgren is a good player, but hes a 3-4 at best.)

Panarin is still my #1 problem with this team. This is a guy who is getting paid "carry the franchise on his back" money who can't carry anything when its mattered. Trouba's contract sucks, but he's not the 2nd highest paid player in the league.

He’ll be easier to move than people wanna pretend after 2024 season ends. He’ll have an $8mm cap hit but only $6mm in salary per year on his remaining two years.

Worst case is you retain 25%. But he’ll be easy to ship to a young team whos rebuilding. Might have to attach a 3rd round pick but we’ll be able to move him

 

[The Crypto Guy]

In case you aren't looking at the WC thread. Chytil was injured today. Took a wicked stick to the face in the 1st period, never returned back to the game.

 

[CommaSynapse]

In case you aren't looking at the WC thread. Chytil was injured today. Took a wicked stick to the face in the 1st period, never returned back to the game.

Translated tweets from 2 Czech hockey journalists.

Pavel Barta - Filip Chytil was injured after being hit in the face by a puck. According to coach Jalonen, he was not feeling well, but he is not in the hospital. Second game, second player out. "We've got to turn the fortunes back on our side. Like this..." the coach said in the mix zone, doing a spin in front of the press.

Zdenek Janda - What the coach said is positive. That Chytil is not in the hospital after the match. But with the team. Remains to be seen how to proceed. The coach specified that he was hit by the puck. And that he didn't look good? I mean, it must really hurt him, as the coach said...

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

In case you aren't looking at the WC thread. Chytil was injured today. Took a wicked stick to the face in the 1st period, never returned back to the game.

Tbh face is a fine injury. Itd be lower body id be concerned about. As long as hes not concussed all good

 

[Synergy27]

There is absolutely nothing worse in hockey than people who try to post stats and use "Even Strength" instead of 5v5 or "Powerplay instead of "5v4." All it does is show a blatant lack of understanding of what you are looking at - regardless of whether or not the point is correct.

A close second would be referring to things in a 7 game sample.

Not to mention the numbers I did post were both at 5v5 and in the regular season (because again, irrelevant playoff sample samples).

Huh. I’d love to know more about my misunderstanding.

I use even strength instead of five on five to increase the sample size.

Over the last two playoffs, Panarin has played 27 games and has nearly 450 minutes of even strength ice time. Hardly an inconsequential sample size.

His GF% and xGF% is 42% and 35% respectively.

I’m still waiting to hear back about my “blatant lack of understanding”. Like legitimately. I want to learn.

 

[cheech70]

Tbh face is a fine injury. Itd be lower body id be concerned about. As long as hes not concussed all good

As long as its not the eye

 

[bhamill]

There is absolutely nothing worse in hockey than people who try to post stats and use "Even Strength" instead of 5v5 or "Powerplay instead of "5v4." All it does is show a blatant lack of understanding of what you are looking at - regardless of whether or not the point is correct.

A close second would be referring to things in a 7 game sample.

Not to mention the numbers I did post were both at 5v5 and in the regular season (because again, irrelevant playoff sample samples).

I can think of worse things.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

because he sucks even if his cap hit was $0

He sucks? Please go further. Again, provide data not feelings.

You do realize he literally made the team a year earlier than expected.

He most definitely doesn't suck. You want another situation like Norstrom back in the day, tell this fanbase you'll sign up for it.

 

[Synergy27]

I can think of worse things.

I’m still waiting to hear more about why this is the worst thing ever.

 

[The Gloaming]

I can think of worse things.

Yeah like your 11 million dollar player having 2 ES secondary assists in 7 games.

 

[haohmaru]

Yeah like your 11 million dollar player having 2 secondary assists in 7 games.

Or an 11.65M player having 2 in 5.

 

[RangerBoy]

Or an 11.65M player having 2 in 5.

Only 1,142 days until Panarin's contract expires. The Rangers will be on Panarin's 4th coach and 3rd Rangers GM by that time.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

because he sucks even if his cap hit was $0

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Maybe McDavid will demand a trade and be done with Edmonton?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Maybe McDavid will demand a trade and be done with Edmonton?

In a year maybe

 

[Fitzy]

because he sucks even if his cap hit was $0

Even if this is true (And I'm not entirely opposed to moving him for the right return) he's still young enough to develop. Far from a finished product.

 

[surlysailor]

Would this be a pretty even trade Laf & Goodrow to Van for 11th overall & Garland? Supposedly Van is trying to move him and the price is high. NYR are able to absorb his hit and get a 30-40 pt guy who might fit better with Panarin instead of forcing Laf to the rw, and a high end prospect who might take a year or 2 develop at 11. Maybe I'm too high on Laff but I think maybe Van might have to add pick or prospect like Hoglander since NYR are adding more of a cap hit.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Would this be a pretty even trade Laf & Goodrow to Van for 11th overall & Garland? Supposedly Van is trying to move him and the price is high. NYR are able to absorb his hit and get a 30-40 pt guy who might fit better with Panarin instead of forcing Laf to the rw, and a high end prospect who might take a year or 2 develop at 11. Maybe I'm too high on Laff but I think maybe Van might have to add pick or prospect like Hoglander since NYR are adding more of a cap hit.

Nope. Sorry just not interest in trading our 1st overall pick from 3 years ago.

Lets see how he is after a full 3 month offseason instead of him rushing to train for 5 weeks before training camp like last season.

 

[GAGLine]

So much impatience and short-term thinking in this thread.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Have no idea what people are smoking wanting to trade Lafreniere, its obvious he needed a new coach, this one had 0 confidence in the kids and it took a toll on their confidence. We just dumped the coach, maybe give it a year to see what happens.

So much impatience and short-term thinking in this thread.

Its not surprising, this franchise has been run by impatience to the point they cant even complete a rebuild.

 

[Ruggs225]

Have no idea what people are smoking wanting to trade Lafreniere, its obvious he needed a new coach, this one had 0 confidence in the kids and it took a toll on their confidence. We just dumped the coach, maybe give it a year to see what happens.

The problem is that some people here think coaches have zero impact on games.

This playoffs should more than put that to rest as we see more systems coaches running the table than ever.

I mean Carolina has no business whatsoever advancing as far as they have with the injuries and cruddy goaltenders they have. That is 100% on Rod and his coaching.

Coaching is becoming more important then ever in the NHL… and the Gallants of the world will all be out of the league unless they adapt.

Hopefully Drury realizes this. But i have little faith in him as GM.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The problem is that some people here think coaches have zero impact on games.

This playoffs should more than put that to rest as we see more systems coaches running the table than ever.

I mean Carolina has no business whatsoever advancing as far as they have with the injuries and cruddy goaltenders they have. That is 100% on Rod and his coaching.

Coaching is becoming more important then ever in the NHL… and the Gallants of the world will all be out of the league unless they adapt.

Hopefully Drury realizes this. But i have little faith in him as GM.

The issue is that Gallant himself said that the NHL isn't a developmental league, and yet here we are with all our top picks playing there, thats the biggest red flag of them all. Either send them down or get a coach that wants to help bring them along, I'm hopeful that's in the works.

 

[Ruggs225]

The issue is that Gallant himself said that the NHL isn't a developmental league, and yet here we are with all our top picks playing there, thats the biggest red flag of them all. Either send them down or get a coach that wants to help bring them along, I'm hopeful that's in the works.

Gallant had a lot more issues than that. For one he doesn’t really understand the x’s and o’s and has no clue how to make adjustments really is the biggest things. Especially since his “system” is from 1997 and is not relevant at all this century

Then u has his lack of communication to players on top of that to compound the issues.


And so what u get is a coach that does great his first year bc the players are all motivated from a new hire and still have all the good habits of the predecessor. And then the team gets worse every year after bc gallant cant actually coach.

 

[RangerBoy]

The problem is that some people here think coaches have zero impact on games.

This playoffs should more than put that to rest as we see more systems coaches running the table than ever.

I mean Carolina has no business whatsoever advancing as far as they have with the injuries and cruddy goaltenders they have. That is 100% on Rod and his coaching.

Coaching is becoming more important then ever in the NHL… and the Gallants of the world will all be out of the league unless they adapt.

Hopefully Drury realizes this. But i have little faith in him as GM.

Carolina has a system. They have something to fall back on when injuries occur. Everyone knows how the team wants to play. 25% of the forwards in the line-up are some combination of Stepan, Stastny, Drury, MacEachern and Puljujarvi. Noesen and Martinook are regular forwards.