Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition
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haohmaru
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It's funny (really sad, actually) that the two drafts that they've had crazy high picks were drafts that, collectively, really no one other than Hughes and Stutzle (and I guess you can somewhat make a case for Zebras) set the world on fire.
Compared to their draft classes, Kakko and Lafreniere really aren't terrible. It's just dumb luck that those are the two drafts that didn't ooze superstars in the first 10 picks.
I'm not sure they win the Cup. Talent wasn't their problem. Determination and getting in the dirty areas was.
That being said, the Rangers drafted who they should've in both of those drafts. Retro and redrafting is mindless folly.
Boris Zubov
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I've heard rumblings of other issues as well from people who are plugged in. This is going to be a very interesting year for this kid.
haohmaru
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IF our top players showed up we would have won a cup.
If Panarin produced like a Kucherov, we're in the Cup finals last year.
Zibs goes invisible and has been bad at 5v5. Really hope Lavi can get him back to being relentless and attacking.
If Trouba was more than a caveman.... Trocheck disappearing act... we just need the guys getting paid to show up in big games. End of story.
Hughes was never an option. Stutzle hasn't even played in the Playoffs. Lets hope Kakko becomes a mean sob and starts physically taking over games. Lets hope Laffy puts the pudding down. My copium is that we step in shit again win another Fox situation.... with a Laffy for Cooley swap.
Boris Zubov
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I think we'll all hear more about it sooner than later.
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Kaapo Cabana
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We never had a chance at drafting hughes, and Lafreniere was the consensus #1.
This is a useless exercise.
GENESISPuck94
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Had the organization treated their 1 and 2 overall picks like other organizations treat their own 1st and 2nd overall picks, the Rangers would be feared in the division. They'd be rivaling NJ with high end young talent leading the way for the next 10+ years. But instead the Rangers decided to castrate Laf and Kakko and use them as 3rd line checkers and now they're considered busts by fans around the league.
But, Drury supposedly gutted the organization and coaching staff with the above as part of the reason why, so let's see how it works out this season. If they're used right Laf and Kakko could bust out and be 70 point players this season.
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I don’t know that their issue was determination. Too many players didn’t play at their expected levels. Another star or two would insulate against that.
We are gonna get Cooley for a first and Trouba or something.
I wasn’t claiming that we did. It’s a demonstration that if we had two stars instead of two 40 point players I think we beat Tampa last year, we beat NJ this year, and we probably win at least a Cup.
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Lafreniere and Kakko aren’t enough though. Probably need two more even if they hit. One being a center. If Othmann and Perrault are also studs relatively soon we might be on to something.
Kaapo Cabana
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great but we don't.
we have to live in this reality. our picks didn't hit nearly as well as we had hoped, and we now have to make the best of it.
any arguing for us to go back to rebuilding is an exercise in futility. It ain't gonna happen unless we totally collapse.
Thems the breaks
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Kakko and Laf just need to turn into 60 point players to go along with Panarin, Zib, Kreider. If they do that the Rangers will have a very good shot.
That’s not 1/2 OA pick production but it is what it is
That’s not 1/2 OA pick production but it is what it is
Line numbering and points schmoints. My bingo card filling up with a quickness. Cised.
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See the issue I have with Mas on kakko and laf is that- even at the time they were drafted, no one had their ceilings as better than Zibanejad and Panarin are right now.
So maybe we’d be saving a little cash with the RFA contracts right now if the tables were turned, but the rangers need both the old and young generations of players on their roster firing in order to win a cup. No matter how good they get in this counterfactual, Kakko and Laf weren’t enough to replace Zibby and bread
And given those veterans track record on the man advantage, you can really only make a case for a kid at bumper
So maybe we’d be saving a little cash with the RFA contracts right now if the tables were turned, but the rangers need both the old and young generations of players on their roster firing in order to win a cup. No matter how good they get in this counterfactual, Kakko and Laf weren’t enough to replace Zibby and bread
And given those veterans track record on the man advantage, you can really only make a case for a kid at bumper
haohmaru
boomshakalaka
If these two were really that talented nothing could've stopped them from breaking out. The truth is that they aren't good enough and, hopefully for us, that'll change as they mature.
Kakko isn't morphing into Jack Hughes because of an extra 1:30 of PP time a night and both of them got comparable EV to any forward not named Zibanejad and Panarin.
"Busting out" to be 70 point players at the expense of your three time 90 point player doesn't make a whole lot of sense either.
I hope they both figure it out but Kakko, at the very least, should be your #1 RW this October. Let's see what he does with that.
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I’m not arguing to go back to rebuilding right this second. It would be futile, we can’t pawn off enough players to get bad enough to matter even if I wanted to.
It’s just a lesson for that when this window does close, we do it right next time. That time is coming up because all our forwards are over 30 besides Kakko Laf and Chytil.
effen
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No amount of ice time was going to improve their footspeed or processing, or in Kakko's case, the innate desire to endlessly protect the puck on the boards until he gets stripped and not fight back when getting manhandled.
You want the villain to be management but its the guys on the ice.
Synergy27
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I understand where you are coming from. I have wanted this team to actually commit to a rebuild for twenty years - funny how that corresponds to my tenure on this board. But I’m just not sure I fully grasp your implementation plan.
The Rangers should not have been in a position to draft Laf and/or Kakko. The team was not the bottom feeder that usually gets to make those picks.
Zibanejad, Panarin, Fox, and Shesterkin are all “top 5” type talents. You dance a jig if your draft picks pan out into those players. If Laf and Kakko were what they were supposed to be, the depth of talent on this squad would be just insane.
Typically Laf and Kakko step into teams devoid of talent and are immediately the most skilled players. Those teams tend to still suck as a result, so they have opportunities to draft their own Zibanejad, Fox, etc.
We already did what you want us to do, we just did it backwards. We also simply got unlucky in that our top guys are just not the elite of the elite. There is zero guarantee that you get the mix you want regardless of how long you suck.
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