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Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

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Avery16 said:
Laf/Zib/Kak saw some shifts last season and I thought they looked good. I think it could boost the kids and I think Zib could benefit too. We don’t have great scoring depth. It should be explored.

We can’t keep trotting out the kid line. It’s too predictable and I think it’s stalling Chytil’s development.
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You can break up the kid line without forcing Mika to be a babysitter
 
Boris Zubov said:
I think it's an important year for Laffy to show he's serious about hockey & the training that goes with it.
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I don’t think he has or hasn’t had that innate drive.

It doesn’t mean he can’t become disciplined. His upbringing and anointed status could have made him too confident in his natural abilities. At this level it also takes discipline and work. Hopefully he understands that soon.
 
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The simplest solution that every other franchise does with young players is to spread them around the lineup with vets to help them when they struggle. You put one guy on each of the 3 lines and go.

Panarin Zib Kakko
Laf Trochek Wheeler
Kreider Chytil Vesey

You also have to get Chytil and Kakko on the pk, laf on pp1, miller on pp2 instead of Trouba and leave it alone until atleast Christmas, leaving them for a game or two and saying it doesn't work is stupid mind games from a coaching staff that wants to keep the vets happy.
 
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haohmaru said:
Oh, this is crap. They traded away the guys that didn't pan out - and they didn't end up panning out where they went either.

Doing more of the same doesn't seem like a winning formula given this, now pretty lengthy, track record.

If I told you, in a vacuum, in 2017 that we'd have 8 1st round picks in 5 years, 1OA, 2OA, 7OA, 9OA 16OA, 19OA, 22OA, 28OA, a Vezina winner that's not one of those picks, a Norris trophy winner and finalist that wasn't one of those picks, the LW that's scored the most points in the NHL since being a Ranger that's not one of those picks, and a top 10ish center you'd have been over the moon and talking about guaranteed Cups.

The above is YOUR formula - tons of picks, picking up great players with later picks and trades, and probably the best UFA signing in Rangers history.

I'm not even saying that's it's the wrong track. I'm saying it guarantees absolutely nothing. There's no "one way' to build a Stanley Cup winner.

Vegas has, I think, zero of their first round picks playing on their Stanley Cup winning roster.
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Just to further clarify this point, Vegas had ONE draft pick of their own playing on their team.

It was Nic Hauge (2nd rounder) who was literally their 6th defenseman.

Their line up was this

Barbashev (trade) Eichel (trade) JAM (Expansion)

Howden (trade) Stephenson (Trade) Stone (Trade)

Smith (Expansion) Karlsson (Expansion) Amadio (UFA)

Carrier (Expansion) Roy (Trade) Kolesar (Trade)

Martinez (Trade) Pietriangelo (UFA)
McNabb (Expansion) Theodore (Expansion)
Hauge (Draft!) Whitecloud (UDFA)
 
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GoAwayPanarin said:
Just to further clarify this point, Vegas had ONE draft pick of their own playing on their team.

It was Nic Hauge (2nd rounder) who was literally their 6th defenseman.

Their line up was this

Barbashev (trade) Eichel (trade) JAM (Expansion)

Howden (trade) Stephenson (Trade) Stone (Trade)

Smith (Expansion) Karlsson (Expansion) Amadio (UFA)

Carrier (Expansion) Roy (Trade) Kolesar (Trade)

Martinez (Trade) Pietriangelo (UFA)
McNabb (Expansion) Theodore (Expansion)
Hauge (Draft!) Whitecloud (UDFA)
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I heard from sources, the league was talking about stripping them of the Cup because they didn’t follow Dom Luczyczcyncuncn model.
 
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There is a right way, but there are exceptions to every rule and you have personally seem me post many times that it is possible this Rangers team get hot at the right time, have Shesterkin carry them, some forward blows up for 3 weeks and dominates the playoffs, etc.


It's just not likely.
 
mas0764 said:
There is a right way, but there are exceptions to every rule and you have personally seem me post many times that it is possible this Rangers team get hot at the right time, have Shesterkin carry them, some forward blows up for 3 weeks and dominates the playoffs, etc.


It's just not likely.
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Winning the Stanley Cup is “unlikely” as well. For pretty much everyone.
 
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haohmaru said:
Winning the Stanley Cup is “unlikely” as well. For pretty much everyone.
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Yes, but again, I addressed this point.

Do the hard work to break into the class of 2-3-4 favorites up front, and those teams win like 70% of the Cups. Establish yourself in that contender class and you are way more likely to get one.

What the Rangers have done, and what all the one-offs do, yes, they sometimes win Cups, but they are in a class of teams that win more like 20-30% of the Cups and they are split among way more teams in that class in any given period of years. This makes it way more likely that the "luck of the draw," (injuries, hot goalie, etc) means you exit your window without ever having had the overwhelming talent to get a Cup or two.

I would put a one-time winner like Boston into the "class of favorites," category. They had a core that's lasted ten years, won 1 and lost 2 others.

This idea that the Rangers can just willy nilly their way, add a player here, a free agent there, just whatever appears to be the best idea at the time without a plan, and if luck favors them they'll win a Cup, that's what is BS. You need a plan to accumulate overwhelming talent that you can keep for a long time, and not leave it to luck.
 
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Machinehead said:
I will say this about Vegas (and Seattle): because of the new expansion rules they got handed readymade deep rosters that just needed to be augmented.

You can't apply that team-building strategy to anybody else.
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There should be a documentary of the moronic behavior of the Vegas draft by almost every team.

At least the Rangers were in a good spot protections wise where Oscar Lindberg stunk, but somehow scored 3 playoff goals so he was the guy taken.
 
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Avery16 said:
Let’s at least give Kakko a little credit. He’s good with any line he’s on.
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Sure. I think Kreider Zibanejad Kakko was a very good line and the underlaying numbers back that up. All I am saying is I’m not putting him with Lafreniere
 
Machinehead said:
I will say this about Vegas (and Seattle): because of the new expansion rules they got handed readymade deep rosters that just needed to be augmented.

You can't apply that team-building strategy to anybody else.
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Even so, Vegas' method of roster building has been the polar opposite of what Mas has been preaching. It's quite literally been the Sather/Dolan model of team building that everyone hates - Chasing after free agents, moving young players/picks for now players and rentals, etc.

Stone/Eichel/AP haven't even been good buys on the whole. The first 2 have missed significant time over the last few years and AP has been underwhelming as a Knight.

Stone and Eichel balled out in the playoffs though. You can point to depth, health, matchups,etc and they all had an impact for sure but the truth is their best guys were their best players - this is why they won. I've beat this horse into the ground, but if the Rangers got that kind of play out of Panarin in 2022 none of us would have cared that they fizzled out of the playoffs this year because they got more than enough from a bunch of the other guys on the roster that year.

If your goal is to build a winner, it doesn't really matter how you get the players but they need to perform. The long rebuilds work sometimes (and I think that JG bolted from this way too soon) but even then, a team like the Caps who have had the greatest goal scorer in the history of the game have as many cups as these teams that have bucked the Mas template.
 
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Vegas also went out and got a great coach. They were 100% a system team. They were boring, consistent all season, under the radar. They don’t win the cup without him.
 
Machinehead said:
I will say this about Vegas (and Seattle): because of the new expansion rules they got handed readymade deep rosters that just needed to be augmented.

You can't apply that team-building strategy to anybody else.
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Yup. Been saying this since the expansion draft and got shit for it. I mean Vegas went to the SCF in their first year. This is insanity. That expansion fee buys you a pretty good roster in the NHL.
 
Why did Miles Wood get a six year deal from a team that generally knows what it's doing? Even though he had a terrible series against us I never thought he was awful, wouldn't have minded him as the spiritual heir to Derek Dorsett and Danny Carcillo but like...what?
 
Panarin-Trocheck-Kakko would be the perfect combination of styles on paper. Too bad each of those three has no chemistry with the other two
 
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