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Nosek is pretty bad and makes more money than the guys we signed I am not sure why there would be any interest.
Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition
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Remember when Vegas’ ready made roster had the lowest o/u point total in the league? I do!
Glen Sathers Cigar
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What is this based on? They're comparable players based on stats and they're similar sizes. Different styles though Pitlick is a faster skater more of an energy, disruptive guy whereas Nosek is more of a lumbering tougher style. I think Pitlick's style of play was more needed than Nosek's.
They're both fringe down the lineup players but I think it's reasonable to say that Pitlick is the better player AND he makes 210k less than Nosek (787k vs 1m).
Pitlick and Bonino are both better than Nosek and they both signed for less (787k and 800k).
PuckLuck3043
Stairway To Heaven
Because silly, another team signed him and he has to be better than the comparative player that the Rangers signed. Duh.
haohmaru
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Going into the playoffs, Vegas was the 7th most "favored" team to win the Cup according to Vegas odds.
The Rangers? 6th.
The 1st favorite? Out in the first round.
The least favorite? In the Final.
As smart as you think you are and as sound as you believe your plan might be (even though it does not account for A LOT of variables) it's still a crapshoot no matter how you slice it.
Luck. Hot goaltending. Streaky scoring. Injuries. Special teams success. Matchups. Lengths of series. And on and on and on.
Much of this simply cannot be known no matter how prepared you are.
LiveLongandProspal
NY Rangers = America's Team
It's looking like Hartford is going to be packed this year, hopefully last season started a positive change in direction. There won't be much room but it'd be nice to see Drury sign some of those UDFAs. Ben Zloty (LHD) is still unsigned.
Hopefully they find a way to get some of the young guys minutes down there. Should be a ton of competition. My guess is at forward the lions share of minutes will go to Brodzinski, Leschyshyn, Nash, Othmann and Cuylle. That leaves one available spot in the top 6. You have some AHL vets, Berard, Sýkora, Trivigno, Edström, Rempe, Henriksson and Korczak. Most of them are obvious bottom 6 candidates. I do wonder if maybe they would've been better served grabbing another free agent or 2 and some undrafted prospects rather than bringing in Berard and Sýkora at this point. I think I would've kept them where they were another year. They're both plenty young. Berard is coming off a bit of a down year in the NCAA, would've been nice to see him redeem himself with another year in college. Sýkora will only turn 19 in September. There will likely be some injuries and maybe some call ups so theres a good chance they could see some extra time.. but again, maybe they'd be better served playing a ton of minutes where they were versus if they wind up playing a limited bottom 6 role in Hartford this year.
Hopefully they find a way to get some of the young guys minutes down there. Should be a ton of competition. My guess is at forward the lions share of minutes will go to Brodzinski, Leschyshyn, Nash, Othmann and Cuylle. That leaves one available spot in the top 6. You have some AHL vets, Berard, Sýkora, Trivigno, Edström, Rempe, Henriksson and Korczak. Most of them are obvious bottom 6 candidates. I do wonder if maybe they would've been better served grabbing another free agent or 2 and some undrafted prospects rather than bringing in Berard and Sýkora at this point. I think I would've kept them where they were another year. They're both plenty young. Berard is coming off a bit of a down year in the NCAA, would've been nice to see him redeem himself with another year in college. Sýkora will only turn 19 in September. There will likely be some injuries and maybe some call ups so theres a good chance they could see some extra time.. but again, maybe they'd be better served playing a ton of minutes where they were versus if they wind up playing a limited bottom 6 role in Hartford this year.
haohmaru
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They got to choose either the 8th best forward, the 4th best defenseman, or the 2nd best goalie from their choices.
I mean, I realize it's not THAT simple, but they were successful because of a system and bunch of middling NHL'ers and finding gold in a few reclamation projects.
LaffyTaffy13
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I think itd be worth it to bring in brendan lemeiux on a PTO. Good fit for our 4th line and brings some much needed grit to this team if he shows out in camp. Ideal 13th forward to insert when team is dead which happens far too often with this group
edit: whoops just saw the canes signed him
edit: whoops just saw the canes signed him
LOFIN
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Turns out that when you have a bunch of middle-6 and 2nd pairing guys, you actually have a semi-decent team. Obviously they got lucky with some of those picks.
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LaffyTaffy13
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Missed that one. Hes a good 4th liner. Bunting tda and pepe there is gonna make them a fun team to watch and totally change their complexion
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He played very well to help win his team a cup. He’s a solid 4th line player that can play on the 3rd line if needed for a bit.
Edit- oh, just saw that cap hit. Ouch. He’s not that good.
Imagine the cap space if they had Howden at 1.9 instead of Goodrow at 3.6. They’d just waste it on another old vet
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Perhaps you missed the part where I said there are outliers.
It's just not the good odds.
And it's why we keep rolling snake eyes.
We don't have the luck.
We need to build a powerhouse.
Luck has gotten us 1 Cup win in 80 years.
If we just sucked it up and continued to stockpile, the odds would be way more in our favor. You aren't going to keep drafting busts forever. Eventually you'll find a Kane or Malkin or two. It's better to wait your turn until you get stars in the draft and then go full steam ahead. The outlier approach has gotten us ..... 1 Cup in 80 years.
That darned ol' bad luck. Rats. I guess we'll just roll the dice with an inferior 5v5 roster again next year, shucks.
no, we should not
chemistry
kid line = 1st line
for now, Krieder-Zib-Othmann or Wheeler
prob Cuyle - Tro - bread
LOFIN
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Nah, you don't. They don't come up too often, and you might wait another 80 years for one. You're more likely to find good prospects in a draft, then it's up to you to develop them into stars. If you want to wait around for a generational player who just steps in and dominates from the moment he enters the league, be prepared to tank for a long time. And even then you might not get one. You can look at plenty of examples around the league.
haohmaru
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So, just keep drafting and hope for a different kind of luck - ie... drafting a generational player.
Got it.
How many generational forwards have the Rangers drafted, even when they have high (or the highest) draft picks, in their history?
Z-E-R-O
Sounds like a great plan. That dart is going to hit the bullseye sooner or later, right? Right?
haohmaru
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A kid 1st line that, collectively, will have less points than McDavid. What could go wrong?
Cuylle and Othmann, in particular, aren't NHL ready. Maybe Cuylle. Othmann is not ready to be a top 6 NHL player in October.
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No, this isn’t true. I can go through any 5 year period and find Matthew Tkachuks and other high end players taken in the top 5-10. Not just first overall.
No, not hoping. Mathematically you will find those players after a set amount of time. A McDavid or Crosby? Ok maybe not. A Tkachuk or Stutzle? You will find those.
They almost never draft high, for one. That’s the whole damn problem. That’s what I’m saying. They are never bad for long enough.
Yes. It’s a terrific plan. You have been fooled by the Rangers coming up with second round exit teams by not doing it that way.
Yes, they will hit the bullseye eventually.
Caveat, they also have to commit to development, and there is a rotten egg in there somewhere too. Go hire the people who have developed kids in the NHL before.
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