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Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

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IDvsEGO said:
That was the original question though.
The original question was "How many pro athletes have come back and excelled after a hip injury surgery? Is it logical to expect Kane to do so at his age?"

So at the moment the answer is 0. There have been zero players who have returned post surgery, who have excelled.
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Yeah, I saw this:

"not one player has come back from this injury successfull. Kane I fear will be no different"

In the thread as well and thought that was what we were talking about.

I mean, "excelled" could be applied to a whole slew of surgeries as never happening. Most athletes don't come back from surgery and end up being better than before.

Jovanovski and Backstrom appear to be at the same level they were prior to the surgery. Hard to say. I mean, nobody ever had Eichel's surgery either and he's fine.

If someone can pull this off it's Kane. He doesn't need elite skating to be a force. And that doesn't mean that I want him on this team. I want to see if Lafreniere takes a step forward first.
 
Well the good news is Kane likely is going to wait until Dec or maybe even January and should give plenty of time to see what the Rangers are doing (Kakko, Laf, Wheeler, Chytil). Also if they lose a forward God forbid he maybe becomes more important etc
 
Marchand, Demko, Benn, klingberg, Nichushkin are some obvious ones…the question was hip surgery not the exact same identical injury and procedure no two injuries are identical. If you’re only looking at jovanovski/Backstrom cause they had a more similar hip resurfacing procedure you’re wasting your time trying to analyze it on a sample size of 2 one of which isn’t even complete
 
haohmaru said:
That wasn't the subject.

To answer your question, though:

Jovanovski retired following his comeback but specifically said it wasn't because of the surgery or the recovery.

"I think we all know at 38 you start slowing down," he said. "But having a year left on my contract at the time, I think it would've been nice to have a full summer of solid training and kind of just play out that year, but it is what it is. I get it. But it was nothing to do with the hip."

In fact, Jovanovski said he's had "zero" issues with his left hip since then, but he had full replacement surgery on his right hip last year.

"I had the other one done just because it was bad too, but as we were doing X-rays and kind of seeing the other side, Dr. Su did an unbelievable job," Jovanovski said. "Nothing has moved. Everything has been good."

The jury is out on Backstrom. Sample size is too small.
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That wasn't the subject? I'm the one that started the current thread on the subject by asking how many have come back and excelled? :)
 
RGY said:
This is a guy who has amassed 1,225 points in his career. With a bad hip he still put up 57 points last year. He is an ultra competitor who has a high work ethic. I would absolutely bet on him.
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He's also older and redundant on this team, you can't win a cup with a bunch of passive pass first players, the teams that are consistently good know this, Boston, Tampa, etc.
 
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So far Backstrom has produced much lower than presurgery. Jovo wanted to play a full season but Florida cut him. It would be great if Kane can come back and excel in 2023-24 but I do not know if we should bet our season on it.
 
Here's my hard to play against lineup

Panarin Zibanejad Kakko
Lafreniere Chytil Wheeler
Kreider Trochek Vesey
Pitlick, Goodrow Cullye

Miller Fox
Gustafson Trouba
Lindgren Schneider
 
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I'm all for seeing KK, Laf and or Chytil on PP1. Like others have said, the key goal is to allow them to play in situations where there's more time and space to make plays. They make the plays, gain confidence and that carries over to their ES play.

For those of you saying "Yeah, that's going to cost us wins"; without the kids gaining confidence and taking their games up another level, we're not winning the big trophy anyway.
 
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Shesterkybomb said:
Here's my hard to play against lineup

Panarin Zibanejad Kakko
Lafreniere Chytil Wheeler
Kreider Trochek Vesey
Pitlick, Goodrow Cullye

Miller Fox
Gustafson Trouba
Lindgren Schneider
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I think at some point we need a different #1 left d and Lindy should be 3rd pairing. Glad to see you did that.

I'd like our 4th line to be fast and heavy. I don't know Pitlock enough. Think we should move Goody. Would like a young Pat Maroon type.
 
NickyFotiu said:
I think at some point we need a different #1 left d and Lindy should be 3rd pairing. Glad to see you did that.

I'd like our 4th line to be fast and heavy. I don't know Pitlock enough. Think we should move Goody. Would like a young Pat Maroon type.
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I just feel that Scheider needs some stability on his pairing so he can take a step in his development and Miller could use someone more willing to give him the puck in the offensive zone for a shot. I think Gustafson and Trouba would be a capable pair as well.
 
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hotmessier said:
I'm all for seeing KK, Laf and or Chytil on PP1. Like others have said, the key goal is to allow them to play in situations where there's more time and space to make plays. They make the plays, gain confidence and that carries over to their ES play.

For those of you saying "Yeah, that's going to cost us wins"; without the kids gaining confidence and taking their games up another level, we're not winning the big trophy anyway.
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I'm not for them all being on pp1 but i think something this staff has missed on is the opportunity to make 2 solid pp's.
For example and I'm sure ill get roasted for this but what if Panarin joined pp2 in the spot he was always in before he got here, where Zib is. The pps would have to split time for this to work or alternate starts, it leaves teams with a problem for matchups.

Pp1 zib, kreider, Laf, Fox, Wheeler
Pp2 panarin, Kakko, Trochek, Miller, Chytil
 
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Shesterkybomb said:
I'm not for them all being on pp1 but i think something this staff has missed on is the opportunity to make 2 solid pp's.
For example and I'm sure ill get roasted for this but what if Panarin joined pp2 in the spot he was always in before he got here, where Zib is. The pps would have to split time for this to work or alternate starts, it leaves teams with a problem for matchups.

Pp1 zib, kreider, Laf, Fox, Wheeler
Pp2 panarin, Kakko, Trochek, Miller, Chytil
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I like this because Zib and Panarin are both at their best on the PP in the same spot
 
Fitzy said:
Panarin-Chytil-Goodrow
Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Lafreniere-Trocheck-Wheeler
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Interesting, especially that top line. Why do you have Goodrow there?
Shesterkybomb said:
I'm not for them all being on pp1 but i think something this staff has missed on is the opportunity to make 2 solid pp's.
For example and I'm sure ill get roasted for this but what if Panarin joined pp2 in the spot he was always in before he got here, where Zib is. The pps would have to split time for this to work or alternate starts, it leaves teams with a problem for matchups.

Pp1 zib, kreider, Laf, Fox, Wheeler
Pp2 panarin, Kakko, Trochek, Miller, Chytil
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Good point.

I think you have to give the kids some time on PP1. If they have a bad game or 2 there, coach them up, let them learn from it. If we need a big goal and they're struggling that night, we can go back to the usual #1 unit as we know that they can produce.
 
Shesterkybomb said:
He's also older and redundant on this team, you can't win a cup with a bunch of passive pass first players, the teams that are consistently good know this, Boston, Tampa, etc.
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But grabbing Kane after rehab vs not grabbing Kane doesn't really change anything here. It's not like we have much better options in the shoot-first category replacing him.
 
Have we gotten a look at the main boards trash ass center rankings? I mean I’m critical of Zib, more than most here, but his ranking is a joke . That loser Aho being ranked like 5 spots higher.
 
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hotmessier said:
I'm all for seeing KK, Laf and or Chytil on PP1. Like others have said, the key goal is to allow them to play in situations where there's more time and space to make plays. They make the plays, gain confidence and that carries over to their ES play.

For those of you saying "Yeah, that's going to cost us wins"; without the kids gaining confidence and taking their games up another level, we're not winning the big trophy anyway.
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With the kids we can win the cup but without the big boys on PP1 with the right handed bumper we aren't achieving transformative excellence.
 
Kreider Trocheck Wheeler
Lafreniere Chytil Kakko
Panarin Zibanejad Othmann
Cuylle Goodrow Vesey

13 Bonino, 14th Belzile

Othmann forces Rangers to make tough decisions and makes team out of camp. Impresses Laviolette.

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
Gustafsson Schneider
Jones

Harpur Pitlick waived


A player like Othmann can open space for Mika and Panarin could work.
 
Shesterkybomb said:
Here's my hard to play against lineup

Panarin Zibanejad Kakko
Lafreniere Chytil Wheeler
Kreider Trochek Vesey
Pitlick, Goodrow Cullye

Miller Fox
Gustafson Trouba
Lindgren Schneider
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I think the most ideal functional lineup would be

Laff-mika-kakko
Panarin-chytil-goodrow
Kreider-trocheck-wheeler
Cuylle-bonino-vesey
Pitlick

Lindgren-fox
Kandre-trouba
Gustafsson-schneider
Jones

Igor
Quick

Panarin chytil goodrow is probably the one people will questions most. Heres my reasoning.

1) chytil speeds panarin up
2) goodrow does the dirty work in the corners for those two and is first in on the forecheck much like fast did for panarin back in 19-20.
 
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