Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

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Gotta sink or swim with them. We know what their top PP unit was doing pre-deadline, it hovered around 10th in the league. You can always fall back on it if you need to.

Kreider
Mika Kakko Laf
Fox

Wheeler
Panarin Trocheck Chytil
Gus/Miller

Split the time, maybe let Fox stay out with the 2nd unit if trailing late in games.

Have to get Laf and Kakko on the top unit. Confidence built there will leak to their 5v5 play.

They've done well enough 5v5 to where they should be getting PP time. Kakko getting some PK time last season was good too, I'd give him more.
 
That doesn’t mean demoting best player to the 3rd line lol..

it can simply be done by moving Kreider down/RW or Laf to RW. That way both 1/2 OA picks get meaningful minutes with other good players
respectfully no
chemistry is a fragile thing.
I get the feeling Chytil or KK can adjust more readily b'c they are more physically gifted overall and better skaters

would be smarter to just keep kid line together for max mins

setting that aside, I want Panarin to eat some humble pie
no player is above the interest of the team and the fans

Too many people focus too much on Panarin's point totals and not enough on his overall game. Hopefully Laviolette takes more control over his ice time. Artemi has a bad habit of overextending his shifts. He needs to be held to more accountability. That curl and pass as he crosses over the blue line into the offensive zone gets picked off a bit too much for my liking. He also sometimes has a bad habit of throwing pucks away to avoid a hit. My last gripe with him is that he can't take off a third of the season hardly taking shots.....it makes it easy for other teams to read him. When he wants to be he is our most talented offensive forward but IMO he's been getting too much of a free pass from the last two coaching regimes. He needs to bear down and play smarter. He's been underperforming his salary for the past 3 seasons.
eloquently said and bold = succinct summary
 
Marchand just had double hip surgery last offseason and scored 67 points in 73 games at age 34/35.
Im not an expert by any means but I don't think Brad had the same kind of hip shaving surgery. Not sure how the surgeries compare.
 
I wouldn’t bet against Kane but I also wouldn’t bet on him.. Let’s hope by Dec Laf and or Kakko have taken off..
 
Gotta sink or swim with them. We know what their top PP unit was doing pre-deadline, it hovered around 10th in the league. You can always fall back on it if you need to.

Kreider
Mika Kakko Laf
Fox

Wheeler
Panarin Trocheck Chytil
Gus/Miller

Split the time, maybe let Fox stay out with the 2nd unit if trailing late in games.

Have to get Laf and Kakko on the top unit. Confidence built there will leak to their 5v5 play.

They've done well enough 5v5 to where they should be getting PP time. Kakko getting some PK time last season was good too, I'd give him more.
Who wants my season tix? Not supporting this complete self-sabotaging joke of an organization.
 
Gotta sink or swim with them. We know what their top PP unit was doing pre-deadline, it hovered around 10th in the league. You can always fall back on it if you need to.

Kreider
Mika Kakko Laf
Fox

Wheeler
Panarin Trocheck Chytil
Gus/Miller

Split the time, maybe let Fox stay out with the 2nd unit if trailing late in games.

Have to get Laf and Kakko on the top unit. Confidence built there will leak to their 5v5 play.

They've done well enough 5v5 to where they should be getting PP time. Kakko getting some PK time last season was good too, I'd give him more.

very much agree...easily the best among the forwards at getting his stick on pucks and strong on the boards...could beast some pk's just ragging the puck on the wall too
 
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I hope if our young guys start breaking out next season Drury has the nuts to lock them in long term. This off-season the cap is tight so there's really no option. Next summer there should be some more flexibility. You look at these teams that locked in their young stars while the cap is flat to these big deals, 8 years around that ~8 million $ range... its clear as day that there's going to be countless teams with bargain deals in the not so distant future. It'll be like when MacKinnon was a +90 point player making 6.3 mil or the last few seasons of Mika making 5.35 per. Theres a boatload of them out there right now... Stützle (8.35 Mil, 8 years remaining), Jack Hughes (8 Mil, 7 years left), Tage Thompson (7.14 Mil, 7 more years), Heiskanen (8.45 Mil, 6 years left).. those are deals that even right now seem a bit undervalued.

Then you have a tier of young stars just below... Kyrou, Robert Thomas, Boldy, Bratt, Cozens, Fiala, Sergachev, Larkin... you could name a number of other guys, the list goes on and on. These are players locked in around that ~8 Mil number for another 6-8 years. Those are fair numbers as it sits today. Now, you follow the modest projections the NHL has set, a gradual jump the next couple seasons, in a few years we'll be around a 90 million cap ceiling. The premiere players will be making 12.5 per year, easy. The best players are already at that or around that number. Guys like Huberdeau and Gaudreau just signed for ~10 Mil per during the flat cap. Barkov just signed a giant deal at that number.

Now could you imagine what those sorts of players will be pulling in a couple seasons? Guys like McDavid, Draistail, Rantanen, Kyle Connor, Marner.. their deals are all up in 2-3 seasons.. the players in the last paragraph are pulling this money while the cap is flat. McDavid is easily getting 15, and thats conservative. These guys will be getting ~12.5 by then. The crazy thing is you take someone like Buchnevich who's also up in a couple years.. if he maintains this level of play that'll be the sort of caliber of player that's sniffing 10 million per year. Not much different than some of the giant deals we saw signed right before covid, where the thought at the time was they would look like fair deals as the cap rose (which obviously did not materialize because of covid). Think Skinner at 9, Panarin 11.6, Trouba 8.5, Karlsson 11.5... those numbers are more in line with what we're going to see when the cap rises, as it was thought to be at the time. I would even argue that the young premier guys like Fox (9.5), Makar (9), M. Tkachuk (9.5) under 10 million in a couple years will be a bargain.

Barring any major injuries, and if they can maintain a high level of play it's gonna be crazy to see how undervalued a number of players will likely become. Even our own... Mika, if he can be one those guys that can keep his level of play well into his mid 30s, 8.5 in 2025 for a 1C will be cheap. Trocheck and Chytil will be closer to 3rd line money.
 
After the last two playoffs, you must do Laf and Kak in the top 6 & Laf replaces Kreider and Kak replaces bread on PP1. Vets had the opportunity to step up and they blew it when it mattered most. Then, you roll out Miller/Troch/Bread/Kreids/Chytil PP2. Two dangerous PPs and let the kids prove it. Also, it is time for some Kak on the PK.

We will be stuck in the middle or we're blowing this shit up again if Laf and Kak don't take the next steps. Which for 40pt, barely any PP time guys, under 23 - the next step (with P R O P E R pp time) is 60+ points. Which I believe is attainable for both of them glued to PP1. If it fails you reassemble the regular season powerplay super team we've had going.

Come on Laviolette, you have the best kids you've gotten to work with in maybe your entire career.

*maybe even bump Miller up to pp1 with foxy, let trouba stay with a better pp2*
 
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very much agree...easily the best among the forwards at getting his stick on pucks and strong on the boards...could beast some pk's just ragging the puck on the wall too
Sometimes guys really find their games on the PK. I think it helped Kreider and JT. Even though down a man it feels like there is more open ice. Usually you only have to beat 1-2 dman since fowards are not concentrating on defense during that 2 minutes.
 
Did either guy come back like he was prior to the injury?

That wasn't the subject.

To answer your question, though:

Jovanovski retired following his comeback but specifically said it wasn't because of the surgery or the recovery.

"I think we all know at 38 you start slowing down," he said. "But having a year left on my contract at the time, I think it would've been nice to have a full summer of solid training and kind of just play out that year, but it is what it is. I get it. But it was nothing to do with the hip."

In fact, Jovanovski said he's had "zero" issues with his left hip since then, but he had full replacement surgery on his right hip last year.

"I had the other one done just because it was bad too, but as we were doing X-rays and kind of seeing the other side, Dr. Su did an unbelievable job," Jovanovski said. "Nothing has moved. Everything has been good."

The jury is out on Backstrom. Sample size is too small.
 
That wasn't the subject.

To answer your question, though:

Jovanovski retired following his comeback but specifically said it wasn't because of the surgery or the recovery.

"I think we all know at 38 you start slowing down," he said. "But having a year left on my contract at the time, I think it would've been nice to have a full summer of solid training and kind of just play out that year, but it is what it is. I get it. But it was nothing to do with the hip."

In fact, Jovanovski said he's had "zero" issues with his left hip since then, but he had full replacement surgery on his right hip last year.

"I had the other one done just because it was bad too, but as we were doing X-rays and kind of seeing the other side, Dr. Su did an unbelievable job," Jovanovski said. "Nothing has moved. Everything has been good."

The jury is out on Backstrom. Sample size is too small.
That was the original question though.
The original question was "How many pro athletes have come back and excelled after a hip injury surgery? Is it logical to expect Kane to do so at his age?"

So at the moment the answer is 0. There have been zero players who have returned post surgery, who have excelled.
 
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