Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[Peltz]

ugh… more articles about how need Patrick Kane. No we really really don’t. This roster has to fulfill all the roles itself.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I honestly have no idea how looking at last years roster that Gallant and company messed up that season. I'm unsure we'll ever ice a roster so deep again unless Kakko, Lafreniere and Chytil turn into stars with time left on cheap contracts.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Or the Flyers are tired of his shit and this was the only way cause Carolina probably wanted 50% retention (they have 2.5M in cap space) or getting a 3rd team involved to also take 50%. Flyers were also probably getting next to nothing and just cut bait.

What shit? Some of you guys try way too hard with tda man haha. You gotta realize hes a guy whos beloved in pretty much every locker room hes in.

Just an fyi at all star break he was on vacation with trocheck and his wife and kids.

And the past week hes been on vacation with fox, vesey, skjei and kevin hayes.

You guys gotta stop speaking on things you have no idea on lol.

The guy who was universally hated in the locker room? Georgiev ironically haha. You guys do realize theres a reason he flipped off igor and the entire nyr bench after the avs shootout win vs nyr this year right? The guys HATE him. He was a locker room cancer and always made things contentious because he genuinely thought he was better than igor

 

[RGY]

ugh… more articles about how need Patrick Kane. No we really really don’t. This roster has to fulfill all the roles itself.

We have a spot open in the top 9. There is a need. Kane had 55 points last year on 1 hip. The guy is a monster competitor. I think he could at least match that level of production on a resurfaced hip.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Please don't sign Kane. Please.

Our entire top6 plays perimeter hockey already. We don't need another dipsy-doodler; even if he would be the second or third best dipsy-doodler on the team.

 

[Levitate]

What shit? Some of you guys try way too hard with tda man haha. You gotta realize hes a guy whos beloved in pretty much every locker room hes in.

Just an fyi at all star break he was on vacation with trocheck and his wife and kids.

And the past week hes been on vacation with fox, vesey, skjei and kevin hayes.

You guys gotta stop speaking on things you have no idea on lol.

The guy who was universally hated in the locker room? Georgiev ironically haha. You guys do realize theres a reason he flipped off igor and the entire nyr bench after the avs shootout win vs nyr this year right? The guys HATE him. He was a locker room cancer and always made things contentious because he genuinely thought he was better than igor

DeAngelo strikes me as exactly the kind of guy that hockey types find fun to hang out with and he's well liked etc etc until he goes too far and loses his shit about something dumb or is an asshole to someone because he doesn't know or doesn't care about the line, then everyone backs off of him for a bit until he comes back around and things are back to normal.

At any rate, he was pretty bad in Philly so they ditched him. His offense got worse, his defense (somehow) got worse. In the end he's a guy who needs to be sheltered either in minutes or have an exceedingly strong partner to make up for his defensive shortcomings, and to be deployed to get the most out of his offensive abilities

Wasn't worth it for Philly to deal with his $$ and deficiencies in play

 

[Graves97]

It's a great example of why there shouldn't be blanket statements about a guy being on a lot of teams because he's not any good. It's not the case. Circumstances weren't part of the discussion.

Dominic Moore
Derek Brassard
Paul Coffey
Kevin Miller
Olli Jokinen
Mattheiu Schneider
Michelle Petit
Lee Stempniak
Phil Housley

Want more?

Phil Housley spent 8 years in Buffalo.
Paul Coffey spent 7 years in edm and then 5 in Pitt.
Brassard spent 5 years in clb and 4 years on thr NYR.
Jokinen was in fla for 7 years.
Schneider only began jumping teams every year when he was 38.
Miller began jumping teams due to injury issues.
Moore is the definition of a 4th line center that who although can be useful for a contending team, is a position you’d rather fill internally.
Petit is the definition of a whatever defenseman.

I think you’re missing the point of @bleedblue94 post. Gustafson can definitely have some value in the right situations but he isn’t what the rangers needed. They have enough offensive defenseman that can’t clear the crease and PK. And while moving the puck definitely out of the back was absolutely a weakness, I blame that more on the forwards who provided virtually no support to the D and want to play vineault hockey with zero structure.

 

[bleedblue94]

Phil Housley spent 8 years in Buffalo.
Paul Coffey spent 7 years in edm and then 5 in Pitt.
Brassard spent 5 years in clb and 4 years on thr NYR.
Jokinen was in fla for 7 years.
Schneider only began jumping teams every year when he was 38.
Miller began jumping teams due to injury issues.
Moore is the definition of a 4th line center that who although can be useful for a contending team, is a position you’d rather fill internally.
Petit is the definition of a whatever defenseman.

I think you’re missing the point of @bleedblue94 post. Gustafson can definitely have some value in the right situations but he isn’t what the rangers needed. They have enough offensive defenseman that can’t clear the crease and PK. And while moving the puck definitely out of the back was absolutely a weakness, I blame that more on the forwards who provided virtually no support to the D and want to play vineault hockey with zero structure.

Thank you, you get it.

Cherry picking names that had established careers and moved around at the end is completely different than a 31 year old 1 dimensional career journeyman. I just don't understand how these arguments devolve. Thank you

 

[IDvsEGO]

I honestly have no idea how looking at last years roster that Gallant and company messed up that season. I'm unsure we'll ever ice a roster so deep again unless Kakko, Lafreniere and Chytil turn into stars with time left on cheap contracts.

So I dont think the roster was messed up until we got kane.
Tarasenko + Motte + Nikkola filled the only holes we had in our roster and was a great job of identifying players who'd fit with chemistry.
Kane was an acquisition that never made sense, it forced powerplay changes that weren't working. It slowed down our team even more, and he wasn't a net positive.

Kane whined to the media to get to play for the rangers like it was ordained. and drury (likely via order from dolan) responded. That was the mistake. It messed with chemistry, it messed with the balance of lines, and all of that and he never produced like a superstar.

 

[Levitate]

So I dont think the roster was messed up until we got kane.
Tarasenko + Motte + Nikkola filled the only holes we had in our roster and was a great job of identifying players who'd fit with chemistry.
Kane was an acquisition that never made sense, it forced powerplay changes that weren't working. It slowed down our team even more, and he wasn't a net positive.

Kane whined to the media to get to play for the rangers like it was ordained. and drury (likely via order from dolan) responded. That was the mistake. It messed with chemistry, it messed with the balance of lines, and all of that and he never produced like a superstar.

And yet people want him back for some reason

 

[IDvsEGO]

And yet people want him back for some reason

At the cost we got him, it felt like a no brainer, but at the same time no one expected our lineups and chemistry to be shot from it.

 

[tomobson]

This is the top line that we need.
Panarin-Mika-Kakko

Laf/Kreider-Chytil-Wheeler
Laf/Kreider-Trocheck-Vesey

If you want a more defensively responsible line put Kreider with Trocheck. Rotate all three lines evenly. Give Kakko two vets to play with plus those two need the best boardworker they can get their hands on and that's Kakko. Give Laf and Chytil a strong veteran presence that will demand the best out of them. Hopefully Laf and Kakko gain a step in the offseason. Mika/Kakko and the Trocheck line should be strong defensively making it easy to shelter the Chytil line and still get them plenty of minutes.

 

[bhamill]

i'm just not in camp torcheck is a 2c. i watched him for a long time and he is a great player in spurts but just like a d man that can play up for a bit in spurts he eventually peters out. i have no doubt that his placement on pp1 and the offensive opportunities that gave him grew his offensive confidence here 5v5, but that is exactly what many advocate for other players that were already here. strome kind of screwed the org in a weird way bc they never did have a 2c here, they had a guy that just got a bunch of points being placed in the perfect role from himself. there is a distinction. as such people just seem to think "better than strome" is a 2c, it isnt. our roster structure is so flawed w stregth on the wings and then generally a weak center group. mika is a 1c but at times is a pp specialist when left alone to be in his spot on the left circle, but we have two tweeners after that (which is a way to say we dont have a set 2c) and then we have been horrid at the 4c for quite awhile (goodrow should be 4th wing) although bonino is going to help that a lot. I love this team but i hate the way the roster is constructed with wingers, and to me trocheck was settling for another tweener center and locking the roster in harder than all the nmc/ntc that were given out like candy did. hopefully after this year some flexibility starts with the cap going up and some of the clauses loosening, but then i also get stuck bc at this point kreider isnt the worst deal and he has potential to play his whole career here, and trouba for his warts feels like the leader of this group, and i shutter to think where it would be if he wasnt here anymore, who steps into the role that isnt completely vanilla?

I hear you. My thought at the time was that Trocheck was a very serviceable 2C “for now”, with Chytil hopefully overtaking him. If that solidifies this season, we are quite strong down the middle. And his NMC goes away in two more seasons if we feel the need to move him.

 

[haohmaru]

Phil Housley spent 8 years in Buffalo.
Paul Coffey spent 7 years in edm and then 5 in Pitt.
Brassard spent 5 years in clb and 4 years on thr NYR.
Jokinen was in fla for 7 years.
Schneider only began jumping teams every year when he was 38.
Miller began jumping teams due to injury issues.
Moore is the definition of a 4th line center that who although can be useful for a contending team, is a position you’d rather fill internally.
Petit is the definition of a whatever defenseman.

I think you’re missing the point of @bleedblue94 post. Gustafson can definitely have some value in the right situations but he isn’t what the rangers needed. They have enough offensive defenseman that can’t clear the crease and PK. And while moving the puck definitely out of the back was absolutely a weakness, I blame that more on the forwards who provided virtually no support to the D and want to play vineault hockey with zero structure.

I'm really not missing anything. I've never commented that he's going to be effective for this team, how he fits in, or anything else.

The ONLY FREAKING POINT I'm trying to make is that moving around a lot doesn't mean you suck and specifically addressed the sentence that said that it did. That's it.

Thank you, you get it.

Cherry picking names that had established careers and moved around at the end is completely different than a 31 year old 1 dimensional career journeyman. I just don't understand how these arguments devolve. Thank you

Then don't make sweeping generalizations. It's really easy to understand.

 

[bhamill]

Or the Flyers are tired of his shit and this was the only way cause Carolina probably wanted 50% retention (they have 2.5M in cap space) or getting a 3rd team involved to also take 50%. Flyers were also probably getting next to nothing and just cut bait.

Too bad, because his on ice play would be/would have been great for this team… well before he devolved further, anyway.

 

[Avery16]

Chytil has already overtaken Trocheck IMO. It’s time to saddle him up with Panarin and see if they can click.

Trocheck is a good middle-six C on a good contract for us. He’s not the problem.

If we’re playing time traveler GM, we should have paid Buch, moved Strome sooner, but still signed Trocheck. We shouldn’t have signed Goodrow, and we shouldn’t have rented Copp. We’d be much better off.

Laf/Mik/Kak
Pan/Chy/Buch
Kre/Tro/Whe
Bar/Bon/Ves

Pit

 

[RangerBoy]

I know. I know. Laviolette is not a development coach, the Rangers are not a development team and the NHL is not a development league. But the only way the team will be able to take the next step is if Chytil, Kakko and Lafreniere develop into upper-tier players commensurate with their draft status, specifically the Lottery Kids who have either been smothered with tough love or left to gestate on their own.

Seriously. From where is the growth coming, if not from the Kids? Of course, Mika Zibanejad, Artemi Panarin, Chris Kreider and Vincent Trocheck can become more effective players under Laviolette, but their respective ceilings are pretty well established. Same for Barclay Goodrow, Jimmy Vesey, Blake Wheeler, et al.

Chytil, Kakko and Lafreniere, well, who knows? That’s the point. The Rangers have to know. They have to give these three forwards the chance to soar. Maybe they will crash. Maybe the ceiling will be as low as in an RV. But maybe the ceiling can be as high as those in apartments in pre-WW II buildings on the Upper West Side. The Rangers have to find out.

Laviolette has to give them the chance. Win Now does not mean October. Win Now means June.

For internal growth to happen. There needs to be internal opportunity.

 

[17futurecap]

Larry is out to lunch on giving Miller PP1 time. Fox should be running the point of both.

 

[tomobson]

Larry is out to lunch on giving Miller PP1 time. Fox should be running the point of both.

Did he really say this?

 

[huerter]

Kreider
Zib - Troch - Panarin
Fox

For as long as they can go.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Did he really say this?

He suggested throwing him on pp1 with fox.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Larry is out to lunch on giving Miller PP1 time. Fox should be running the point of both.

They can both play the PP. Miller gets time doing PP2 with Fox

 

[IDvsEGO]

Too bad, because his on ice play would be/would have been great for this team… well before he devolved further, anyway.

Really? Because a huge chunk of his play comes from the power play. and Fox is much better at that too.

 

[IDvsEGO]

For internal growth to happen. There needs to be internal opportunity.

I mean for once I dont disagree. He's not wrong.
I've pounded that drum since we were bounced in the playoffs.

The kids are the best and most cost effective growth we can have.

 

[bernmeister]

Please don't sign Kane. Please.

Our entire top6 plays perimeter hockey already. We don't need another dipsy-doodler; even if he would be the second or third best dipsy-doodler on the team.

this^.
As a professional courtesy IF IF IF HE recovered and was sufficiently able to impress post surgery in time for POs, and would sign for min, then we can talk about him earning a spot. If ok, then yr to yr at minimum only, fine.
Otherwise, no.

He was not worth futures surrendered.

Chytil has already overtaken Trocheck IMO. It’s time to saddle him up with Panarin and see if they can click.

Trocheck is a good middle-six C on a good contract for us. He’s not the problem.

If we’re playing time traveler GM, we should have paid Buch, moved Strome sooner, but still signed Trocheck. We shouldn’t have signed Goodrow, and we shouldn’t have rented Copp. We’d be much better off.

Laf/Mik/Kak
Pan/Chy/Buch
Kre/Tro/Whe
Bar/Bon/Ves

Pit

No on chytil and bread
keep successful, known commodity kid line together\

break bread, by forcing him into shame of 3rd line
faster he breaks, faster he decides to waive