Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[Machinehead]

Maybe? I thought your age starting the season is what the standard was, so then no, it would be their age 25 and 27 seasons. Regardless they were referencing CURRENT ages of teams and this possible one year discrepancy doesn’t change that I said FAIRLY young.
What made us “older“ was the addition of cheap veteran fill ins that aren’t part of our long term plans. That doesn’t change even if we make every player in the league one year older.

What makes us older is our three best forwards being in their 30's.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

The guy just had a hip surgery, who knows what he can do when he comes back. And if he wants to play for a contender, he needs to play for cheap because all of them are in a cap jam.

Lmao! This board is hilarious. Eichel just had knee surgery, he’ll never be good again…derp! f***ing guy just won a cup.

Kane will sore 50-70 points next year in about 40 games.

 

[bhamill]

What makes us older is our three best forwards being in their 30's.

They’re one year older and so are everyone else’s best forwards… and I said our core, not “our three best forwards.“ If you define our core as just our three best forwards then we define it differently. And that’s fine.
My entire point, in case I m still not being clear, is that our jump from one side of the age median to the other is mainly due to non core, placeholder veterans being signed for cheap due to cap stagnation. Players that arent really in our plans past this year.
Thats really all I have to say about it. No where did I try to argue this team is infants or anything. Hahaha.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I think we both know each other are respectful even in disagreement. Se don’t feel you have to say it to me explicitly. I get you, buddy. These things, again, are not mutually exclusive. It’s ALL of it. Do we think that Laf and Kakko are the outliers for top picks ONLY because they aren’t working hard enough in the off season (something we don’t really KNOW for sure and we don’t know how hard non disappointing top picks are working) or could it also be their usage? Which we KNOW diverges from how non disappointments get used early on?
I’m not saying off season isnt important, I’m saying ice time, linemates, pp time, responsibility, and patience for mistakes are important as well.

I do not really view guys by where they were drafted. I do not view them by their pay either. That may be important at some time but I feel once the puck drops all that matters is how a guy plays. People say the draft is a crap shoot. We have "redrafts" because often guys are not drafted in order of NHL greatness. I can not say how hard Laf nor KK is working in the offseason. I can say that when I watch them play I'm just not wowed often. Occasionally I see some good but not a lot so far. I think if we had a chance at Hughes or drafted Tim I would be wowed much more often. I'm 100% hopeful that Laf and KK find that next gear. We need them to find it. It is possible that we just had bad timing on those 2 drafts. Its not like we passed up on a lot of great players. We never had a chance at Hughes. Tim is the only great one in Lafs draft so far. It will be great to say Laf and or KK joined them in terms of greatness soon. I remain hopeful but I do not think their play so far is about coaches nor minutes.

 

[Machinehead]

They’re one year older and so are everyone else’s best forwards… and I said our core, not “our three best forwards.“ If you define our core as just our three best forwards then we define it differently. And that’s fine.
My entire point, in case I m still not being clear, is that our jump from one side of the age median to the other is mainly due to non core, placeholder veterans being signed for cheap due to cap stagnation. Players that arent really in our plans past this year.
Thats really all I have to say about it. No where did I try to argue this team is infants or anything. Hahaha.

Yes, we define core differently. Your core is your best players. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Lmao! This board is hilarious. Eichel just had knee surgery, he’ll never be good again…derp! f***ing guy just won a cup.

Kane will sore 50-70 points next year in about 40 games.

I believe 70 points in 40 games (143 point pace) would be shocking. Isn't his career best like 110? in 80 games?

 

[bhamill]

Yes, we define core differently. Your core is your best players. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.

Is it limited to just your three best forwards? Because Fox and Shestyrkin are arguably our two best players. I don’t think there is an official definition as far as NHL rosters go. If me saying “core” is the issue, I stand down, it’s not important. But my actual point remains what I said in my last post.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

 

[Machinehead]

Is it limited to just your three best forwards? Because Fox and Shestyrkin are arguably our two best players. I don’t think there is an official definition as far as NHL rosters go. If me saying “core” is the issue, I stand down, it’s not important. But my actual point remains what I said in my last post.

Yes, Fox and Igor are in there but they're not particularly young anymore. The Rangers are not a young team. It was posted right there in black and white. The UFA players aren't tipping it as much as you think they are.

Maybe if you take them out, we fall out of the top ten oldest(!!!) and go middle of the pack instead.

Still not a young team.

And our prospect pool is nothing to write home about anymore.

I'm not saying it's the end of the world but the rebuild is over and this is what we have.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Is it limited to just your three best forwards? Because Fox and Shestyrkin are arguably our two best players. I don’t think there is an official definition as far as NHL rosters go. If me saying “core” is the issue, I stand down, it’s not important. But my actual point remains what I said in my last post.

Zibanejad had 91 points
Panarin had 90
Kreider scored 38 goals

They still seem pretty decent to me, even with down years..

Yes the window is probably as long as they are here unless the kids break out to join Fox and Shesty.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

saw this on twitter. This person seems to have legit info/sources on Oilers. Predicted Connor Brown signing in Edmonton days before July 1. Maybe we are bringing back Tarasenko

Didn’t Friedman just say he was close to a 2 year deal with Edmonton? Not sure this one is reliable

Why are we posting fake news from someone with 59 followers?

 

[bhamill]

Yes, Fox and Igor are in there but they're not particularly young anymore. The Rangers are not a young team. It was posted right there in black and white. The UFA players aren't tipping it as much as you think they are.

Maybe if you take them out, we fall out of the top ten oldest(!!!) and go middle of the pack instead.

Still not a young team.

And our prospect pool is nothing to write home about anymore.

I'm not saying it's the end of the world but the rebuild is over and this is what we have.

And I didnt say we were a young team. I said our “core,” which I meant as our most important players for the coming season and going forward, was FAIRLY young. I’m not sure what you found so offensive about this. Hahahaha. Maybe I should have said “not old” or “average.” Hahaha. Still doesn’t change my point which I clarified a couple of posts ago.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Ah yes. The classic "he didn't want to come back to our team that's going to be anywhere from mediocre to ass the next 5 years, so let's smear him" campaign.

Give me a break. This is literally the first time I've seen a bad word about the guy.

 

[Avery16]

Lmao! This board is hilarious. Eichel just had knee surgery, he’ll never be good again…derp! f***ing guy just won a cup.

Kane will sore 50-70 points next year in about 40 games.

When was Eichel’s knee surgery? If you’re talking about his neck surgery, that was when he was 25, or about a decade younger than Kane was when he had his hip surgery.

 

[Lion Hound]

saw this on twitter. This person seems to have legit info/sources on Oilers. Predicted Connor Brown signing in Edmonton days before July 1. Maybe we are bringing back Tarasenko

Being he pretty much only wanted to play in NY i'm skeptical of the accuracy here.

 

[Machinehead]

And I didnt say we were a young team. I said our “core,” which I meant as our most important players for the coming season and going forward, was FAIRLY young. I’m not sure what you found so offensive about this. Hahahaha. Maybe I should have said “not old” or “average.” Hahaha. Still doesn’t change my point which I clarified a couple of posts ago.

It's not offensive lol it's just incorrect. They're not fairly young.

The average age of Kreider, Zibanejad, Panarin, Fox, and Shesterkin, right now today, is 29.2.

Dougie Hamilton is 30 and he's old enough to be everyone else's father on his team. Hischier is 24, Bratt is 24, and Hughes is what, 21?

Chabot is 26, Tkachuk is 23, Norris is 23, Stutzle is 21, and Sanderson is 20.

That's what a young core looks like.

If Laf and Kakko develop enough to be considered "important players," then it looks a tad bit better. Right now they're spare parts.

 

[Avery16]

Ah yes. The classic "he didn't want to come back to our team that's going to be anywhere from mediocre to ass the next 5 years, so let's smear him" campaign.

Give me a break. This is literally the first time I've seen a bad word about the guy.

A lot of people in St. Louis have a bad taste in their mouth from Tarasenko after his trade demand. But there’s a lot of dumb people out there.

Tara had a legitimate concern. He called his shot. Then he worked with the team for the better part of two seasons to facilitate his trade request. He put up career stats in doing so, and never griped one word to the press.

St. Louis should be grateful for the Cup he was an integral part of winning- their first as a franchise! I say St. Louis should be grateful, but many Blues fans are. It seemed like he was well received when we came through.

Edit: by "out there", I meant there's a lot of dumb people out there in the world. Not specifically in St. Louis. St. Louis does not have a monopoly on dumb people. My bad phrasing.

 

[Fitzy]

Our core isn't young no. But our defense certainly is, as a unit.

Vegas had a comparably aged core this last year. Stone, Marchessault, Smith, Pietrangelo all 30+

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[Alluckks]

Our core isn't young no. But our defense certainly is, as a unit.

Vegas had a comparably aged core this last year. Stone, Marchessault, Smith, Pietrangelo all 30+

Our established forward core is "old." They aren't about to retire old, but surely now is the window type old. Kreider, Zib, Panarin, and probably Trocheck makes up that core. Chytil, Kakko, and Laf have the ability to become core guys but including them is jumping the gun.

Our D and goalie core is young. Fox, Miller, Shesterkin. Schneider is in that could become core group. Lindgren could be core (and is still young) if he is re-signed.

Having Fox and Shesterkin at their ages alone is enough that we won't see any full rebuild any time soon. Thinking otherwise is delusion.

 

[Savant]

You don’t trade Igor to save 2 million on cap. I’m not trading a Vezina just to go overpay someone like Goodrow. The only way you move Igor is if you find a young kid like Garand who can do a similar job for a fraction of the cost.


Top players usually demand full term. 7 or 8 years. You hold the line at 5 or 6 years and you might be letting a great player walk.

Move to Buffalo for Levi and bunch of ELC
They need to hold the line on giving out NMC

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

are us usually developed by GIVING them time, linemates and responsibility that they have not earned. So yeah, you can argue they didn’t earn it, but then neither did Stutzle, Hughes, etc. We can’t have it both ways. We either make the sacrifice up front and and suffer through the kids growing pains in top roles, or we DON’T give them all of that and then whine and wonder why our kids don’t develop like other top picks... Honestly it’s kind of obvious.

what you're saying is blatantly obvious and has also been said by everyone, but the prescription and administration are two very different things...

If a kid in school is not meeting at certain standards set forth by the teacher ( yes I am going so far as to refer to our last two terrible coaches-- that is the agreed upon thinking-- as "teachers." This is in no way a reference to your stance on our coaching situation, which I don't even know. However, the point is that young players has to read certain benchmarks to see those opportunities open up.

Were they given the operas he's many people here are discussing, we would have lined up saying they were overexposed when they went up putting up 40 points five years into their careers. Which probably would have happened either way.

What are the benchmarks they have to meet? I don't know, I'm not a coach. But I'm going to make a bet most coaches do have them, as well some idea of what they're doing.the theory that you break in the young players by throwing 20 minutes and PP1 time at them has not only been proven to have the opposite effect of what you're saying,. Many times. But also expecting to ice a winning team (assuming that's what you want to do) with that philosophy is wanting both ways, and you already said you can't have it both ways.

If a player is not doing the things he needs to within 12-15minutes, he's not going to do them in 20. That's regardless of what you can ask him with. And some of the IDS we put forth a kind of ridiculous. The idea that they are becomingthird line players because they were put in two ways situations is mainly what I'm referring. If a player anoffensIVE player, he's got silently going to change his style because he plays with defenses players.

 

[Fitzy]

Another consequence of the cap shooting up is that I think it’s a real possibility that not only does Kreider play out his whole contract here, but the rest of his career.

 

[Cmox]

Gotta scoop!

 

[bhamill]

It's not offensive lol it's just incorrect. They're not fairly young.

The average age of Kreider, Zibanejad, Panarin, Fox, and Shesterkin, right now today, is 29.2.

Dougie Hamilton is 30 and he's old enough to be everyone else's father on his team. Hischier is 24, Bratt is 24, and Hughes is what, 21?

Chabot is 26, Tkachuk is 23, Norris is 23, Stutzle is 21, and Sanderson is 20.

That's what a young core looks like.

If Laf and Kakko develop enough to be considered "important players," then it looks a tad bit better. Right now they're spare parts.

I said now and in our plans going forward. Yes, I include Laf and Kakko. As well as Schneider, Chytil and others. They are all legit NHLers and all in our plans his year and beyond. You arbitrarily set a bar of just about all star in order for a player to be part of the core. I don’t. That doesn’t make me incorrect. It makes our takes different. I guess a team with no one at all star level has zero core? That’s not how I look at it. And since I’ve already explained several times what I meant, I’m not sure why you are hell bent on trying to impose your arbitrary definition of “core” on my point. It’s like you are trying to have a semantics argument over core, and I’m trying to talk about why the average age of our team shot up. And no it’s not just that everyone on the team, and in the league, got a year older, it’s because we added cheap older vets that arent going to be part of a longer trend. Who cares if we are average of two years older this year(to pick a number) if next year we are two years younger? Are Zibs, Kreider and Pan falling off a cliff this year?