Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[effen]

They're not buying out Goodrow.

Dolan became very unhappy with the buyouts over the years. ADA was a special case for being a cancer.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Can mods please work on a "thumbs down" option.

 

[Flan the incredible]

Goodrow might actually want to be traded.
A buyout and he probably doesn’t even get 1.5m on the market, and loses a significant amount of money.
He may open up the ntc

Kampf, Haula and Foligno all just got more than 1.5. Goodrow is better than Kampf who got 2.4. Goodrow probably gets around what Haula got which is in the 3s. He isn't that overpaid.

 

[NYR2007]

They're not buying out Goodrow.

Dolan became very unhappy with the buyouts over the years. ADA was a special case for being a cancer.

He should be unhappy with all the assets we have wasted

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Interested to see how they make the money work if they keep Goodrow.

 

[NYR Viper]

Kampf, Haula and Foligno all just got more than 1.5. Goodrow is better than Kampf who got 2.4. Goodrow probably gets around what Haula got which is in the 3s. He isn't that overpaid.

I really think that if Goodrow was a UFA, he would be looking at a 4 year deal around $3m, maybe slightly more because of his versatility and experience.

 

[Vitto79]

So I’ve seen some capologists say the Rangers have no space assuming Laf and Miller eat up Atleast 6 million

Is that true ? Can they only sign say 1 million per ufa ?

How about Janmark at 900k?
Guys like that

 

[effen]

I really think that if Goodrow was a UFA, he would be looking at a 4 year deal around $3m, maybe slightly more because of his versatility and experience.

They value him as a guy who can play on any line in any position in any role. How good he is at those roles is up for debate but his versatility is really important to them. I can only see them getting rid of him if they felt like they had enough of what he brought and wanted another element.

 

[17futurecap]

So I’ve seen some capologists say the Rangers have no space assuming Laf and Miller eat up Atleast 6 million

Is that true ? Can they only sign say 1 million per ufa ?

How about Janmark at 900k?
Guys like that

They have 11.7 with Goodrow on the roster. If you say

Miller 4
Laf 2.5
Goalie 1?
Jones 812 K

That leaves them with 3.9 million with a roster of 9 forwards, 7 D and 2 goalies.

 

[effen]

Bailey is probably cooked but I'd take a min salary flyer on him. I can see a world where he sets up Mika and Kreider, who could use a pass-first RW.

 

[Vitto79]

They have 11.7 with Goodrow on the roster. If you say

Miller 4
Laf 2.5
Goalie 1?
Jones 812 K

That leaves them with 3.9 million with a roster of 9 forwards, 7 D and 2 goalies.

Yikes so time to give more years to fringe guys that will take 1 million per . Can bury in AHL if need be

 

[Flan the incredible]

I really think that if Goodrow was a UFA, he would be looking at a 4 year deal around $3m, maybe slightly more because of his versatility and experience.

I think you are right. I think people in this thread see him as a 4th line player because we have the kid line. Goody is probably a 3rd line guy on almost every other team. 3rd line guy with grit who can play all 3 forward spots and give you 30 something points is going to cost 3ish mill a year. He isn't old so a 4 yr deal isn't unreasonable. Plus who knows if a few teams get interested to drive the price up.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I like the Perrault pick, but to be honest i know little about the other guys, couple dmen was a good idea though

Not really. He dragged Trouba around 3/4ths of the season and struggled with consistency.

He should be way more consistent with some actual coaching and structure. His potential is through the roof.

KAM, even as raw and inconsistent as he is, is a #2 right now IMO. He easily has the potential for #1D and imo potential for Norris

Imo him and Trouba should be separated. I'd like to see Robertson/Jones and Trouba, Miller and Fox and Lindgren and Schneider.
I think Miller and Fox is a deadly combo if given time to gel, Schneider finally gets an anchor to work with, and Trouba can help the kids along. The only thing is that Miller needs to get a little tougher when guys start targeting Fox.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I have a new strategy. We should quietly sign another Adam Fox. Than make a Adam Fox trade but send them the wrong one. Genius?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I have a new strategy. We should quietly sign another Adam Fox. Than make a Adam Fox trade but send them the wrong one. Genius?

Sign 5 more...win 12 cups and fold the franchise

 

[LannyMcdonald]

I have a new strategy. We should quietly sign another Adam Fox. Than make a Adam Fox trade but send them the wrong one. Genius?

I have a new strategy R2: let the wookie win.

 

[haohmaru]

They have 11.7 with Goodrow on the roster. If you say

Miller 4
Laf 2.5
Goalie 1?
Jones 812 K

That leaves them with 3.9 million with a roster of 9 forwards, 7 D and 2 goalies.

Cuylle 828K
Motte 1.3M
Accari 1.2M

No spares except fro Harpur yo-yo-ing up and down for cap space when he can.

 

[RangerBoy]

They have 11.7 with Goodrow on the roster. If you say

Miller 4
Laf 2.5
Goalie 1?
Jones 812 K

That leaves them with 3.9 million with a roster of 9 forwards, 7 D and 2 goalies.

Staple wrote $1.2M for the back-up goalie. He mentioned the Rangers have discussed Talbot internally. Talbot flipped out when Guerin brought in MAF. Talbot isn't interested in being a back-up. There aren’t many #1 goalie spots available.

If Drury frees up money, he will be targeting bottom six help.

 

[haohmaru]

Staple wrote $1.2M for the back-up goalie. He mentioned the Rangers have discussed Talbot internally. Talbot flipped out when Guerin brought in MAF. Talbot isn't interested in being a back-up. There aren’t many #1 goalie spots available.

If Drury frees up money, he will be targeting bottom six help.

Talbot will be 36 going into this season. He might want to start getting interested in being a backup.

 

[RangerBoy]

Talbot will be 36 going into this season. He might want to start getting interested in being a backup.

Does Talbot have the mentality to be a back-up? We can't have his wife attacking the organization on twitter.

 

[haohmaru]

Does Talbot have the mentality to be a back-up? We can't have his wife attacking the organization on twitter.

Haha, you're right. Maybe Quick can figure it out with a reset? His stats improved with Vegas.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Cuylle 828K
Motte 1.3M
Accari 1.2M

No spares except fro Harpur yo-yo-ing up and down for cap space when he can.

The obsession with a 4th liner is mindboggling. I rather get a rookie or some undrafted player get a shot. Motte is not that good. I rather bring back Dom Moore or Brian Boyle types of players. They were great 4th liners, something Motte is not. Rangers need to draft and trade for those types. Not some injury prone player that is not that good.

 

[RangerBoy]

Funny stuff having Vince trying to explain the buyout process.

Putting a player on waivers on June 30 is not a loophole.

 

[haohmaru]

The obsession with a 4th liner is mindboggling. I rather get a rookie or some undrafted player get a shot. Motte is not that good. I rather bring back Dom Moore or Brian Boyle types of players. They were great 4th liners, something Motte is not. Rangers need to draft and trade for those types. Not some injury prone player that is not that good.

Who is obsessed? That's a pretty hot take.

4th line has to be defensively responsible enough for the coach to trust them in that role. That's not some rookie or "some undrafted player" whatever the heck that means.

Motte is fine. If not him than some other ~1M-ish dude that can play defensively and chase the puck in the o-zone. I don't care if it's Motte or not.

 

[RangerBoy]

Vince hit on one guy. Lars Eller. He was very good in Colorado.

6. Lars Eller​

Age: 34
Position: Centre
Evolving Hockey and AFP Analytics contract projections: $1.3 million/1-year deal, $1.6 million cap hit/2-year deal

Eller makes a lot of sense as a low-cost Kämpf replacement, only one who can bring a bit more O to the table. Eller has scored in double figures in 10 of the last 12 seasons (the two exceptions came during shortened seasons when Eller still scored eight goals apiece). Last year, as a 33-year-old, playing almost 15 minutes per game between the Caps and Avs, Eller chipped in with 10 goals.

But that’s not why you get Lars Eller. You get him because he’s a pain in the butt to play against, uber competitive, trustworthy and able to play against skilled competitors. He’s also mighty experienced, with over 100 playoff games under his belt. Ideally, he’s lining up as a fourth-line centre, but in a pinch he can move up and take on heavier, heartier minutes.

During the playoffs with Colorado, Eller’s two most frequent opponents up front were Jordan Eberle and Matty Beniers. The Avs won almost 60 percent of the expected goals in Eller’s minutes against Beniers. Eller also won over 65 percent of his draws in the postseason. He won a Cup with the Caps in 2018. The Leafs know him well from his early years with the Habs.

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Vince mentioned the performance bonus option for the back-up goalie. 35+. Maybe he can let Mollie know.