Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[2014nyr]

Drury should hire these 2 just to piss off Rangers fans some more.

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no way i need pierre back between the benches so i can hear about the time he saw some random player as a peewee in hudson bay saskatchewan, during a blizzard that caved the roof of the rink in, but he still scored 8 goals.

besides, if we want someone to piss people off just go with quenneville. might as well make it all the most annoying people on earth that are losing their minds.

 

[smoneil]

Laff-mika-kakko
Panarin-chytil-fast
Kreider-trocheck-vesey
Cuylle-bjugstad-motte
(Motte will inevitably be out for 10 games at which time you call up sykora for a short stint. Let othmann bake in hartford for a year)

Kandre-fox
Jones-trouba
Mikkola-schneider
NYR 23-24 quickie - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

I like this as a starting point.

I'd keep that top line. Feed it minutes in all situations. Let them (finally) struggle through their issues until they can iron them out and start playing with the kind of swagger that top 3 picks should have. It's more important to find out once and for all what we have in Laf/Kakko than it is to have a great regular season next year. Bottom line--if those two can get over the hump and turn into what we hoped for them to be, then the team will still end up making the playoffs. If they can't? Then we need to know now and start rebuilding.

On the second line, I want Kreider with Chytil, and if he shows well in camp, I want Othmann on their RW (if he doesn't, I agree with you about Hartford--basically if they think he can play top six, I want him up, but if he's going to be bottom six, send him to Hartford).

I want Panarin on the 3rd line. Getting 3rd line minutes. He has two choices if he wants more than that--stop playing scared or waive the NMC. We don't need to clear Panarin's whole cap hit. We can retain a bit, get back a NICE package, and still clear a big chunk of cap space. Moving Panarin is a classic "hurt a little bit now to gain a bunch later" kind of move (see: what Buffalo thought of the Eichel trade when it happened vs. how they see it today).

I like your 4th line and defense setup. The D will likely need some upgrades, and we will likely need another middle-six RW (both of which can be done with the money freed up from a Panarin move). No more moving 1st round picks for playoff rentals.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Three coaches with constant line juggling. And afaic at the most absurd times, the lines were changed. No patience whatsoever and then, too much patience or stubbornness to change, when the lines started stinking.

Didn't kreider and trochek have great chemistry too at some point?

Idc, Zibs and Kakko needs be together, kreider tro and just staple chytil to bread. Panarin makes 11.6m let him figure it out.

 

[egelband]

I dont really blame Knoblauch for Andersson & Kravtsov being busts. Both guys stink anyway, just because they bitched about being in HFD doesnt mean they were right lol. Lundkvist is completely different he was actually blocked at the NHL level.

The appeal of Knobhead is a consistent message from the Coaching Staff and Front Office. He's familiar with the players, prospects, and the NHL staff. He's been an OHL & AHL coach in multiple organizations. A minor league coach is only as good as the team's prospect pool, and Cooper & Bednar were nobodies before coming up through the ranks with their teams. I'd rather follow that blueprint than hire a retread like Laviolette or Boudreau, or go scorched earth with Roy or Messier. I dont think the team needs major changes.

Barring a special coach being unexpectedly available I think Knoblauch makes sense.

 

[Jauffre]

Garlic is the man for the job

 

[Coffee]

I’m starting to get mad.I know it’s temporary though.

 

[CLW]

Garlic is the man for the job

You think he'll drive Sather away?

 

[surlysailor]

Trocheck makes a difference everywhere else.

Can’t reply to you just quoting my response so I’ll go back further. So winning faceoffs means he makes a difference everywhere else? I didn’t know that one aspect was the end all be all that should get more pp time. Man nyr really should convince zenon kenopka to come out of retirement and be on pp1.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

I like this as a starting point.

I'd keep that top line. Feed it minutes in all situations. Let them (finally) struggle through their issues until they can iron them out and start playing with the kind of swagger that top 3 picks should have. It's more important to find out once and for all what we have in Laf/Kakko than it is to have a great regular season next year. Bottom line--if those two can get over the hump and turn into what we hoped for them to be, then the team will still end up making the playoffs. If they can't? Then we need to know now and start rebuilding.

On the second line, I want Kreider with Chytil, and if he shows well in camp, I want Othmann on their RW (if he doesn't, I agree with you about Hartford--basically if they think he can play top six, I want him up, but if he's going to be bottom six, send him to Hartford).

I want Panarin on the 3rd line. Getting 3rd line minutes. He has two choices if he wants more than that--stop playing scared or waive the NMC. We don't need to clear Panarin's whole cap hit. We can retain a bit, get back a NICE package, and still clear a big chunk of cap space. Moving Panarin is a classic "hurt a little bit now to gain a bunch later" kind of move (see: what Buffalo thought of the Eichel trade when it happened vs. how they see it today).

I like your 4th line and defense setup. The D will likely need some upgrades, and we will likely need another middle-six RW (both of which can be done with the money freed up from a Panarin move). No more moving 1st round picks for playoff rentals.

I view a 3rd line of kreider-trocheck-vesey as a great checking line that also has offensive upside.

I like panarin with fast and chytil because fast will get dirty, chytil is a great skater who will help speed up panarin + he has a good shot when panarin feeds him.

On the back end, I’m confident kandre can take that next step. I know he tailed off in the latter part of the year but its hard to ignore a 6’5 23 year old who can skate like him

 

[RangerBoy]

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Lafreniere
Othmann-Trocheck-Acciari
Cuylle-Kampf-Motte
Vesey

Kampf is a very good role player. He wins face-offs on the PK. Brian Boyle was discussing on the NHL Network the importance of winning face-offs on the PK. Win the draw and clear the puck. 20-30 seconds are gone. So important. 30 seconds later the second unit comes out and the PP is almost over. The other team doesn't win the face-off and they cant set up.

David Kampf's ability to do Toronto’s dirty work is proving valuable

On a team booming with stars and all kinds of glitz, Kampf is responsible for a lot of the Leafs' demanding, and important, assignments.

theathletic.com

Lafreniere needs to play RW. The next coaching staff needs to make that move. Tkachuk made the move. The Rangers lineup better with Lafreniere on RW.

Kakko with Kreider and Zibanejad. They were playing together at the start of this calendar year but Gallant put kid line back together. Steve was discussing leaving Kakko with the two veteran players for the remaining 30 plus games in the regular season during a podcast with Staple. That didn't happen.

The Rangers need to build a checking line. Can Chytil be that player? At one time, Rachel Dorrie felt Filip could be a Couturier or Kadri type of center. Maybe Trocheck? Not a checking line with a bunch of scrubs.

As a coach, Chytil’s most endearing quality is his defensive awareness. The knock on almost every draftee is “he needs to be better in his own zone/on the defensive side of the puck.” Mitch Marner, I’m looking at you. Chytil doesn’t have that problem, he’s already playing a 200-ft game as an 18 year old. I wouldn’t anoint him the next perennial Selke favourite, but I think he could blossom into something similar to Sean Couturier in Philadelphia or Nazem Kadri in Toronto. This fits perfectly into the Rangers plans, as Chytil can be the second or third line pivot behind Mika Zibanejad and Lias Andersson when the time comes. He will see time on both the penalty kill and the power play, and as he progresses, he will be the go-to guy in the final minutes of a game.

The Video Room: Filip Chytil is the Rangers' future two-way pivot

Perhaps one of the most interesting stories to start the NHL season was Filip Chytil (Hee-tyl). Very rarely does a player drafted outside the top 5 make the NHL out of camp. Jakob Chychrun did it last season. This year, Chytil and Oilers pick Kailer Yamamoto made their teams out of camp. Chytil...

theathletic.com

The Rangers young guys need a head coach and a staff to work with them. Staple mentioned the Rangers need a coach to nurture some of the young players. That guy is not Peter Laviolette, Mike Babcock or the other old guys. The hands off approach didn't work with them.

Former Rangers GM Glen Sather has long had an interest in hiring Babcock and Sather, still an adviser to Drury, may carry some influence with the current GM and owner Jim Dolan.

There would be a backlash if the Rangers went down this road. Perhaps not as bad as if they had pursued Quenneville, but Babcock is considered a bit of a dinosaur in his treatment of players and the Rangers have several young players in need of further development.

10 potential candidates for the Rangers coaching job

Based on conversations with executives and coaches around the NHL, The Athletic compiled a list of potential candidates for the job.

theathletic.com

I love Acciari. He is a swiss army type of player. He hits everything in the other sweater. He is also a great team guy. He can play in the middle. He can play on the wing.

Othmann and Cuylle are pencilled into the lineup. Othmann had a great start to his season at Flint He asked for a trade closer to home for family reasons. Othmann played in at WJC. Peterborough made some other trades such as Owen Beck and Avery Hayes. Chemistry is funny. Windsor added all of these players including Shane Wright and they got swept in the first round. Peterborough came together at the right time. Othmann has played a major role in the Petes reaching the OHL finals.

 

[lakeshirts37]

Im annoyed

 

[Boris Zubov]

Way to fix our speed issue… Stone is a great player but skates in molasses.

He's the worst skater I've ever seen who plays at an all-star level. But he actually makes it work somehow.

I didn't propose the trade, I was just replying to @AirGut, but we'd be lying to ourselves if we wouldn't make that deal if offered...regardless it's nothing but an irrelevant pipe dream.

 

[NYR Viper]

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Lafreniere
Othmann-Trocheck-Acciari
Cuylle-Kampf-Motte
Vesey

Kampf is a very good role player. He wins face-offs on the PK. Brian Boyle was discussing on the NHL Network the importance of winning face-offs on the PK. Win the draw and clear the puck. 20-30 seconds are gone. So important. 30 seconds later the second unit comes out and the PP is almost over. The other team doesn't win the face-off and they cant set up.

David Kampf's ability to do Toronto’s dirty work is proving valuable

On a team booming with stars and all kinds of glitz, Kampf is responsible for a lot of the Leafs' demanding, and important, assignments.

theathletic.com

Lafreniere needs to play RW. The next coaching staff needs to make that move. Tkachuk made the move. The Rangers lineup better with Lafreniere on RW.

Kakko with Kreider and Zibanejad. They were playing together at the start of this calendar year but Gallant put kid line back together. Steve was discussing leaving Kakko with the two veteran players for the remaining 30 plus games in the regular season during a podcast with Staple. That didn't happen.

The Rangers need to build a checking line. Can Chytil be that player? At one time, Rachel Dorrie felt Filip could be a Couturier or Kadri type of center. Maybe Trocheck? Not a checking line with a bunch of scrubs.

The Video Room: Filip Chytil is the Rangers' future two-way pivot

Perhaps one of the most interesting stories to start the NHL season was Filip Chytil (Hee-tyl). Very rarely does a player drafted outside the top 5 make the NHL out of camp. Jakob Chychrun did it last season. This year, Chytil and Oilers pick Kailer Yamamoto made their teams out of camp. Chytil...

theathletic.com

The Rangers young guys need a head coach and a staff to work with them. Staple mentioned the Rangers need a coach to nurture some of the young players. That guy is not Peter Laviolette, Mike Babcock or the other old guys. The hands off approach didn't work with them.

10 potential candidates for the Rangers coaching job

Based on conversations with executives and coaches around the NHL, The Athletic compiled a list of potential candidates for the job.

theathletic.com

I love Acciari. He is a swiss army type of player. He hits everything in the other sweater. He is also a great team guy. He can play in the middle. He can play on the wing.

Othmann and Cuylle are pencilled into the lineup. Othmann had a great start to his season at Flint He asked for a trade closer to home for family reasons. Othmann played in at WJC. Peterborough made some other trades such as Owen Beck and Avery Hayes. Chemistry is funny. Windsor added all of these players including Shane Wright and they got swept in the first round. Peterborough came together at the right time. Othmann has played a major role in the Petes reaching the OHL finals.

I love Acciari as well. @RangerBoy how much do you expect him to make? I'm concerned about his next contract.

Similar to Hathaway for me.

The Rangers could use a couple of lower cost, swiss-army knife, consistently good forecheckers. Acciari. Fast. Blueger. Hathaway.

 

[NYR Viper]

What type of contract will Sean Monahan be looking for?

What about:

 

[Boris Zubov]

What type of contract will Sean Monahan be looking for?

What about:

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No thanks. Monahan doesn't add anything we're missing; speed, hard to play against, etc. Plus he's been really banged up the past 2-3 seasons. Hard pass.

 

[Anthony5967]

Colorado in trouble now without their captain and Big Val. What about a big boy deal where we send Panarin to Colorado for Toews and Newhook? Or Kreider for Toews? Something like that?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Colorado in trouble now without their captain and Big Val. What about a big boy deal where we send Panarin to Colorado for Toews and Newhook? Or Kreider for Toews? Something like that?

Cap space.

At least for Panarin. They'd have to send back more.

 

[bleedblue94]

Panarin-Chytil-Lafreniere

Stop with this kind of madness, this is literally just rearranging what we have. Something needs to change in this mix...

 

[NYR Viper]

So I had a minute to look into possible 4th line options out there and found some interesting stats

Player	gp	g	a	p	ES g/60	ES a/60	ES Corsi For %	ES FF%	FO%	Hits	ES dZs%	TK	GV
Acciari	77	14	9	23	0.9	0.4	-1	2.4	53.8	244	62.5	33	13
Kampf	82	7	20	27	0.4	1	-5.4	-5.4	51.5	74	72.8	57	30
Blueger	63	4	12	16	0.5	1.1	-3.3	-2.6	52	71	81	26	16
Hathaway	84	13	9	22	0.9	0.6	-2.4	-0.4	---	268	82.2	12	13
Eller	84	10	13	23	0.5	0.7	-1	-0.3	53.7	93	61.5	40	36
Motte	62	8	11	19	0.7	1	-5.7	-5.2	---	118	63.2	29	27
Erne	61	8	10	18	0.7	0.8	-6.3	-6.8	---	160	52.2	16	17
Fast	80	10	19	29	0.6	0.9	-0.7	-0.3	---	104	49.2	24	27
Nieto	81	12	12	24	0.7	0.9	-2.4	-2.7	---	43	59.1	35	22
Leivo	51	4	12	16	0.4	1.3	8.3	7.3	---	55	50.5	30	10

Leivo and Eller are intriguing based on underlying stats although it's clear that Blueger and Hathaway have the hardest usage just by their whopping 72.8% and 82.2% dZs%.

Acciari and Hathaway are the most physical although Erne is right up there.

In saying that, it's clear Erne's defensive game isn't where it needs to be based on his usage. His offensive stats and hits are positives but you can tell the coaching staff prefers to use him in other scenarios than as a defensive stalwart.

What this shows me even more clearly is that I wouldn't be quick to sign any of these guys to long term deals or anything at or over $1.5m. There are other good options besides these guys but these are names I have seen thrown around a bit. They're not all interchangeable, but I think we could make an argument for any and therefore paying out the nose for one in particular isn't a good plan.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

So I had a minute to look into possible 4th line options out there and found some interesting stats

Player	gp	g	a	p	ES g/60	ES a/60	ES Corsi For %	ES FF%	FO%	Hits	ES dZs%	TK	GV
Acciari	77	14	9	23	0.9	0.4	-1	2.4	53.8	244	62.5	33	13
Kampf	82	7	20	27	0.4	1	-5.4	-5.4	51.5	74	72.8	57	30
Blueger	63	4	12	16	0.5	1.1	-3.3	-2.6	52	71	81	26	16
Hathaway	84	13	9	22	0.9	0.6	-2.4	-0.4	---	268	82.2	12	13
Eller	84	10	13	23	0.5	0.7	-1	-0.3	53.7	93	61.5	40	36
Motte	62	8	11	19	0.7	1	-5.7	-5.2	---	118	63.2	29	27
Erne	61	8	10	18	0.7	0.8	-6.3	-6.8	---	160	52.2	16	17
Fast	80	10	19	29	0.6	0.9	-0.7	-0.3	---	104	49.2	24	27
Nieto	81	12	12	24	0.7	0.9	-2.4	-2.7	---	43	59.1	35	22
Leivo	51	4	12	16	0.4	1.3	8.3	7.3	---	55	50.5	30	10

Leivo and Eller are intriguing based on underlying stats although it's clear that Blueger and Hathaway have the hardest usage just by their whopping 72.8% and 82.2% dZs%.

Acciari and Hathaway are the most physical although Erne is right up there.

In saying that, it's clear Erne's defensive game isn't where it needs to be based on his usage. His offensive stats and hits are positives but you can tell the coaching staff prefers to use him in other scenarios than as a defensive stalwart.

What this shows me even more clearly is that I wouldn't be quick to sign any of these guys to long term deals or anything at or over $1.5m. There are other good options besides these guys but these are names I have seen thrown around a bit. They're not all interchangeable, but I think we could make an argument for any and therefore paying out the nose for one in particular isn't a good plan.

I don’t think you have to worry about this with our cap space. We barely have enough to sign a guy for 1 year $1M

 

[UnparalledPark]

Sign me up for the roster. Who is the coach?

We would have to give SJ the draft picks to take that contract and the Sabres need RD.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Zibanejad is a Center
Trocheck is a Center
Chytil is not a Center

 

[Fitzy]

Zibanejad is a Center
Trocheck is a Center
Chytil is not a Center

For me- Chytil is Anisimov circa 2011. He can play center, but he should be playing with someone who takes the draws.

It's why if Goodrow is still here, I want Panarin-Chytil-Goodrow to be one of our lines.

 

[nevesis]

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Hope they let Murphy go as well.

I'm not against a veteran coach being on staff with the new guy (especially if its a first timer) but he does nothing for me.