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Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

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MrAlmost said:
What do you believe he can realistically command as an RFA that doesn't put up points despite playing with one of the best offensive defensemen in the league? Strict defensive defensemen like Lindgren, despite being great players and having a positive impact on the ice, simply do not make that much money. He is not a cap dump, his next contract will be a good one as well, and when he is 30/31, you trade him for picks.
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I really dont know what the market will look like with the cap rising, but it definitely means he is going to make more money than we expect. His value is higher now than it will ever be. I dont dislike the guy but we have prospects knocking on the door and a dearth of picks and cap space. Trading Lindgren, who I like, is a very viable option. Fox needs to be playing with Miller next year anyway
 
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bhamill said:
I'm pretty sure 23 for 26 & 94 is a slightly less than fair deal for NYR without Goodrow thrown in.. This seems like a straight up giveaway of Goodrow and is not really necessary. To move up 3 spots in the first should cost a second. Though 94 PRACTICALLY is. It's not awful, and if you just want to be rid of Goodrow its perfectly fine IMO.
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wouldn't 94 basically be a 4th rounder? I hear what you're saying tho.
 
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Fitzy said:
I don't see how attaching an asset is off the board but taking buyout penalties isn't

They planning on rebuilding in 2 years?
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Buyout penalty isn’t terrible plus cap will go up by then

But going that route makes Drury look like a total doofus, buying out his first signing that he clearly overpaid. If it were me there would be no options off the table, Goodrow needs to go
 
McRanger92 said:
I really dont know what the market will look like with the cap rising, but it definitely means he is going to make more money than we expect. His value is higher now than it will ever be. I dont dislike the guy but we have prospects knocking on the door and a dearth of picks and cap space. Trading Lindgren, who I like, is a very viable option. Fox needs to be playing with Miller next year anyway
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I love Lindgren, but I think I'd trade him for a 1st.

bl02 said:
wouldn't 94 basically be a 4th rounder? I hear what you're saying tho.
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WHOOPS. You are right. I take back saying it's fine.
Thank you!
 
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Might as well give us the Cup now. Ill take the GM job, thank you very much.
 
McRanger92 said:
If you think he's signing 4x4 next year with the cap jumping thats dandy I just dont think its happening. He provides very little offensively and isn't irreplaceable. There will be plenty of fine defenseman who get squeezed on the open market, and Jones/Robertson both have 2+ pro seasons under their belts. The Rangers have every reason to give them an opportunity with the cap where it is. Oft injured players also dont usually become healthier as they age unless their play style changes. I don't dislike Lindgren, but if you can get a late first or a couple seconds and add 3 mil in cap space, why wouldnt you?
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I firmly believe he won’t get more than 4m per. As you stated he doesn’t add much offensively and that’s how players get paid. So a 4x4 deal is perfect for both parties. And you’re again talking about jones or Robertson who I really like and want to give a chance but none of those guys are ready for top 4 minutes. Same with Schneider. So why are we dealing him away? Also what guys are going to be squeezed that bring what Lindy does to this team?

i just don’t see it this year. In a couple years sure bc we will have cap space to replace him with someone better and or the young guys can take the next step.
you just don’t squeeze out a top 4 dman making 3m per who does all the things that nobody else does on the team
 
bhamill said:
I love Lindgren, but I think I'd trade him for a 1st.


WHOOPS. You are right. I take back saying it's fine.
Thank you!
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Really hard decision. I wouldn't take anything less than a first for Lindgren but for a team that is trying to compete now why trying to maintain some semblance of an open window trading Lindgren will not help with the former. We barely have an option for 3 LD. we would sorely be missing a top 4 LD and those don't come cheap. Not to mention the intangibles he brings.
 
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MrAlmost said:
What do you believe he can realistically command as an RFA that doesn't put up points despite playing with one of the best offensive defensemen in the league? Strict defensive defensemen like Lindgren, despite being great players and having a positive impact on the ice, simply do not make that much money. He is not a cap dump, his next contract will be a good one as well, and when he is 30/31, you trade him for picks.
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agree with everything you said here. I just think we trade him a year or so before that contract runs out
 
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Fitzy said:
I don't see how attaching an asset is off the board but taking buyout penalties isn't

They planning on rebuilding in 2 years?
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The buyout is pretty team friendly considering he has 4 years at 3.6 mil left on it. The one exception is year 26-27 but the cap should be much higher by then. If we are talking about a 6th or something like that I guess it's possible. If we are talking a 3rd or 4th than no way.

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bl02 said:
Really hard decision. I wouldn't take anything less than a first for Lindgren but for a team that is trying to compete now why trying to maintain some semblance of an open window trading Lindgren will not help with the former. We barely have an option for 3 LD. we would sorely be missing a top 4 LD and those don't come cheap. Not to mention the intangibles he brings.
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If you knew you could sign Soucy or Mikkola for, say, 3 years @ $2.35m per season on July 1st, would that change your mind?

I really like Lindgren, but signing a mainly defensive d-man in UFA as a back-filling mechanism is an option.
 
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Shesterkybomb said:
There was no evidence of a guy like Marshasault turning into the player he is either but given opportunity it unlocked him. I watched a lot of Lafreniere in junior as i was doing scouting in this area, i refuse to believe he went from the best player in junior to someone you give up on. He needs confidence, when he plays with swagger he's a different player and Gallant sucked that out of him.
Underlying numbers in a poor system aren't an accurate portrayal of the players abilities.



Engval is when you get Chytil on wish.
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Engvall would be eaten alive by this fanbase.
 
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Machinehead said:
Othmann should be penciled into the lineup when he forces a quality player out of the spot.

We blew a massive hole in the lineup handing spots to Lafreniere and Kakko that they haven't earned.
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He's gonna take some penalties that aren't even dumb but because he's a rookie and penalties = bad he's gonna get benched, sent down because defending is hard, etc.

If he gets more than 10 games I'll be straight shocked.
 
Chalfdiggity3 said:
I firmly believe he won’t get more than 4m per. As you stated he doesn’t add much offensively and that’s how players get paid. So a 4x4 deal is perfect for both parties. And you’re again talking about jones or Robertson who I really like and want to give a chance but none of those guys are ready for top 4 minutes. Same with Schneider. So why are we dealing him away? Also what guys are going to be squeezed that bring what Lindy does to this team?

i just don’t see it this year. In a couple years sure bc we will have cap space to replace him with someone better and or the young guys can take the next step.
you just don’t squeeze out a top 4 dman making 3m per who does all the things that nobody else does on the team
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Lindgren isn't a core player for this team, and Jones/Robertson have more minor league seasoning than Lindgren did when he was called up so idk why they aren't ready but Lindy was, but i digress. Lindgren is an undersized, often injured, zero offense defenseman who looks better because he plays with the best defenseman in the NHL. He's a gritty fan favorite so I get why people are hesitant to deal him but if you can add some breathing room on the cap sheet and in the draft, he's the type of guy you trade before you end up paying him and regretting it.
 
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Jones and Robertson are less ready than Lindgren despite more time in the minors because he was better at defending than both of them combined when he got promoted.
 
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Shesterkybomb said:
There was no evidence of a guy like Marshasault turning into the player he is either but given opportunity it unlocked him. I watched a lot of Lafreniere in junior as i was doing scouting in this area, i refuse to believe he went from the best player in junior to someone you give up on. He needs confidence, when he plays with swagger he's a different player and Gallant sucked that out of him.
Underlying numbers in a poor system aren't an accurate portrayal of the players abilities.
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Lafreniere does nothing above average at NHL level. He doesn’t skate above average, he doesn’t shoot or pass above average. He doesn’t defend above average. What does he do? Maybe it’s confidence but it’s not like he didn’t get opportunity.

You are talking about Marchesseault like that’s the rule. He is the exception. There’s a difference
 
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