Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[bbny]

I think Goodrow was strictly a Drury move. That was when we were looking to add grit after the Wilson incident, and Goodrow just won a cup and looked amazing during the playoff run so Drury overpaid to get him here.

I think for sure Drury wanted grit, but that’s something Gallant would have agreed with too. I think it’s more likely than not he talked with Gallant about some names to go for and they mutually picked Goodrow. I don’t think Drury makes that kind of player decision without any input from his new coach.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

AFP has Tarasenko at 3 years 5M per. If they can get him back for 4.5 or less any interest at all? Obviously Goodrow would need to be gone. Or do we think it would further block the kids getting a real shot?

 

[2014nyr]

AFP has Tarasenko at 3 years 5M per. If they can get him back for 4.5 or less any interest at all? Obviously Goodrow would need to be gone. Or do we think it would further block the kids getting a real shot?

until there's numbers on laf and k'andre it's hard to have any idea how the rest of the roster shakes out. personally though don't think there's any number we'd be able to offer he'd accept. if anything it's kane coming back on a 1yr and going on ltir

 

[Daves a mess]

Give me the big, physical center to grind down Hughes to a pulp over the next 8 years

Somebody needs to put Joel Otto in a Time Machine.

 

[2014nyr]

Rangers have some decisions to make yet again regarding the kids. Laf 3rd line LW will not reach his potential.. can he play RW? If not should they trade him? Chytil. Isn’t he more valuable than a 3C? Would they put Trocheck there when he had 65 points and they are paying him 5.6M? Will otthman get a shot? etc.

i think we'd be insane to trade laf at this age and given the return we'd likely get. unless it's as a centerpiece in like a clayton keller deal that worked cap wise he should be held onto.

i'd rather make him a top 6 lw w/ panarin and use kreider and trocheck and maybe vesey or whoever works as a shutdown line/heavy north and south 3rd line. i know troch isn't huge but he plays an aggressive game and skates well. kreider doesn't really add much offensively 5 on 5 other than around the net. plus he'd likely embrace a role like that at this point in his career - assuming laf comes to camp in the right condition i think thats our best assembly on the left side.

 

[IDvsEGO]

AFP has Tarasenko at 3 years 5M per. If they can get him back for 4.5 or less any interest at all? Obviously Goodrow would need to be gone. Or do we think it would further block the kids getting a real shot?

If you lock key and Laf up, and can get him at a number under 4.6 you do it.
You’re then 3 lines deep.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Another guy who may be inexpensive but exactly what the team could use is Max Comtois. He's a 25 year old with a couple of down seasons but he plays a fiery style. 19 points in 64 games last year with 76 PIM's.

Not directed at you specifically, because I've seen his name mentioned a few times. Just responding to the idea.

What role would we want him for, top 6? Comtois is 24 years old and has 38 career goals and 86 career points in parts of 5 seasons. Lafreniere has 47 goals and 91 points in 3 seasons and is still 21 years old.

If Comtois were signed he can't play above the 3rd line. Lafreniere and Kakko need to be in the top 6.

I'd take him as a bottom 6 forward.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

until there's numbers on laf and k'andre it's hard to have any idea how the rest of the roster shakes out. personally though don't think there's any number we'd be able to offer he'd accept. if anything it's kane coming back on a 1yr and going on ltir

Just going by the AFP projection of 3 years 15M. Would he take a little less to stay here? possibly. All depends on the offers I would assume and if they move Goodrow

 

[IDvsEGO]

Not directed at you specifically, because I've seen his name mentioned a few times. Just responding to the idea.

What role would we want him for, top 6? Comtois is 24 years old and has 38 career goals and 86 career points in parts of 5 seasons. Lafreniere has 47 goals and 91 points in 3 seasons and is still 21 years old.

If Comtois were signed he can't play above the 3rd line. Lafreniere and Kakko need to be in the top 6.

I'd take him as a bottom 6 forward.

I think if we grabbed someone like comtois it would mean we didnt think othmann was ready to make the jump.
A line of Kreider-Trocheck- Comtois
would be a solid 3rd.
he could slide down, but he's probably gonna make too much money and I dont know how he is defensively for a 4th line.

 

[NYR Viper]

Id say it’s the captains job to make sure a new young player who’s a part of the room doesn’t feel ostracized.
There’s not fitting in with a group and then there’s what’s reported as a toxic locker room. Toxic implies(not confirmed but implies) bullying.

I missed the toxic accusation. Where was this discussed?

 

[IDvsEGO]

I missed the toxic accusation. Where was this discussed?

I mean its been known for years, but Kevin Hayes said its was the worst locker room he was a part of when discussing his short stint in WPG when we sent him there.

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See the part where wheeler admits he was very hard on laine.

Both those things say Toxic, and bullying

 

[RGY]

AFP has Tarasenko at 3 years 5M per. If they can get him back for 4.5 or less any interest at all? Obviously Goodrow would need to be gone. Or do we think it would further block the kids getting a real shot?

I really feel that Vlad would take $4.5 x 3 years to be in a place of comfort. Its not as if he hasn’t already made good money in his career to date. Sacrificing $1.5, settling for $13.5 instead of $15 million to be where he wants to be with his family isn’t outrageous.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I really feel that Vlad would take $4.5 x 3 years to be in a place of comfort. Its not as if he hasn’t already made good money in his career to date. Sacrificing $1.5, settling for $13.5 instead of $15 million to be where he wants to be with his family isn’t outrageous.

I think so too honestly. Can the Rangers give it to him tho

 

[RGY]

I think so too honestly. Can the Rangers give it to him tho

I think there is a path. And they could either sign Kane and LTIR or sign him in January if he is willing to wait. If you sign him now, you just need to make sure you have enough space accruing so that when he is ready to come off LTIR mid season you can fit him. It means they would need breathing room under the cap. It means bargain hunting for their 4th line, goalie, and temporary 3RW.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I think there is a path. And they could either sign Kane and LTIR or sign him in January if he is willing to wait. If you sign him now, you just need to make sure you have enough space accruing so that when he is ready to come off LTIR mid season you can fit him. It means they would need breathing room under the cap. It means bargain hunting for their 4th line, goalie, and temporary 3RW.

Kane likely doesn't wait for january, he's gotta get surgery and rehab, and its better to do that under ltir and have access to a teams training facility and rehab staff.

You don't do both Kane and tarasenko, because that leads you exactly back to the same spot we were just in.
Also the reports on the surgery kane is going to have is the same one backstrom had, and he lost alot of foot speed and motion. He's not the same player.

 

[NYR Viper]

I mean its been known for years, but Kevin Hayes said its was the worst locker room he was a part of when discussing his short stint in WPG when we sent him there.

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See the part where wheeler admits he was very hard on laine.

Both those things say Toxic, and bullying

I don’t want to come off as just being arguments to me but being ‘hard’ on someone isn’t the same as toxic. Messier was hard on all of his teammates

 

[pld459666]

Except the league is going to split the jump in cap over two seasons so it doesn’t go up too much in one year

The league is a joke, we don’t need to carry water for Gary and the owners. There’s a reason every other sports salaries and cap have gone sky high and the NHL is stuck in the 90s.

Even with that, I could see 5.5 next off season and close to the same the following.

Meaning next year is 89, then 94.5 thereabouts

 

[IDvsEGO]

I don’t want to come off as just being arguments to me but being ‘hard’ on someone isn’t the same as toxic. Messier was hard on all of his teammates

Sure Messier was known as a really hard leader, but at the end of the day people also would've run through a wall for him.
They also understood that he was harder on himself.
None of the comments that have come out about scheifele have ever played out that way.
Multiple reports of a really bad locker room. Multiple people who absolutely wanted out of WPG.
Multiple people saying the locker room was really bad.
That doesn't sound like a leader who guys are willing to follow.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Even with that, I could see 5.5 next off season and close to the same the following.

Meaning next year is 89, then 94.5 thereabouts

The problem with that is even if you go 89, the next year wouldn't be 94, because the income amount is likely not gonna stay flat. So the league would have to continually depress the cap, which would have the players up in arms.

 

[RGY]

Kane likely doesn't wait for january, he's gotta get surgery and rehab, and its better to do that under ltir and have access to a teams training facility and rehab staff.

You don't do both Kane and tarasenko, because that leads you exactly back to the same spot we were just in.
Also the reports on the surgery kane is going to have is the same one backstrom had, and he lost alot of foot speed and motion. He's not the same player.

I guess I just didnt think we were necessarily in a bad spot. I think we had a good group of players but did not have the killer instinct and that really did start (or didn’t) with the coaching staff. The kids were underwhelming. The veterans tapered off. Game 3 they coasted as if the series was over. I liked that group. I would make the 4th line a collection of relentless assholes that play an honest game at the same time. You can get those players at good prices. Vesey is already locked down. You hope Jones can grab that last LD spot. Or Robertson makes a push halfway through the season. Or you add at the deadline.

I would rather have the talent in both Tarasenko and Kane already on the roster and have to look for the role/depth players at the deadline than to be searching for more talent at the deadline.

And I hear what you are saying about the surgery for Kane but I would still take my chances, especially comes in at a team friendly number.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

I think if we grabbed someone like comtois it would mean we didnt think othmann was ready to make the jump.
A line of Kreider-Trocheck- Comtois
would be a solid 3rd.
he could slide down, but he's probably gonna make too much money and I dont know how he is defensively for a 4th line.

And if Othmann is ready, could keep Kreider in the top six, still having Laf and Kakko in the top six, and have a 3rd line of Othmann-Trocheck-Comtois.

I'm on board with picking up a player like him, but I wouldn't want them thinking it's at the expense of Laf and Kakko. I still believe this team doesn't win a Cup until those two are go-to players.

He'd certainly add depth.

 

[huerter]

AFP has Tarasenko at 3 years 5M per. If they can get him back for 4.5 or less any interest at all? Obviously Goodrow would need to be gone. Or do we think it would further block the kids getting a real shot?

God no. The only reason why his nonsense wasn't under more fire is because of the the crap that 88 was wheeling out there.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I have no interest in McDavid, guy is an embarrassment to the sport

 

[pld459666]

The problem with that is even if you go 89, the next year wouldn't be 94, because the income amount is likely not gonna stay flat. So the league would have to continually depress the cap, which would have the players up in arms.

I think it should be closer to 94 now. But they are not going to make the leap in one offseason.

Splitting the increase would(should) get us to 94 to start the 25-26 season

 

[Off Sides]

Rangers need to rebuild, again

They need to learn to prioritize the whole draft and development function.

From there they need to learn the cap hit / per performance ratio

And then, just maybe, after some years, they can actually put a team on the ice that can compete for the Cup for several years in a row.

Or

Just accept the mediocrity they will go with instead. Which is where they will go, until it becomes obvious they need to rebuild again after several years of retooling. Another rebuild they will shortcut which will end up as they are now, again. Stuff like paying a goalie way too much, the next high priced UFA who can't get it done, overpay in assets and/or cap hit for the supporting players.

It's a cycle which never ends, no long term direction, no team identity, just change for the sake of keeping the market interested, over and over again.