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Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

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Oscar Lindberg said:
I expect the Rangers to have to attach some sort of pick to Goodrow to get rid of him

And they’ll probably get not much in return

If Vancouver is begging people to take Garland who’s a significantly better player, I can’t imagine teams are gonna be taking Goodrow without a sweetener
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Vancouver was absolutely trapped by the cap. They bought out oel.
This was similar to when we had to buyout hank
 
bhamill said:
NOPE. That is a ridiculous payment. Guarantee it wont happen. I'll venmo you the amount of a decent bottle of whiskey if we add a second to Goodrow to get rid of him. And I'm not talking some expanded transaction where a 2nd and Goodrow are going in a hockey, not cap based trade. The only year where his 3.6 cap hit matters is 23-24. After that the cap jump makes it moot. NYR can get through this year with him and next year his cap isn't an issue, can buy him out, or trade him at the TDL to a taem that needs what he brings and his cap hit is pro rated. There is no way in HELL we use a 2nd to get rid of him.
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I hope youre right. But remember he has a 15 team NTC as well. So it’s not like the whole league is open for trading goodrow to.

Im not sure who the prospective Trade partners would be for him. Ottawa seems like they could use a guy like him but will he go there? Buffalo seems like a team that could use a guy like him. But who knows.
 
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Oscar Lindberg said:
Dolan was pissed about Gorton buying players out and people actually think Drury is going to buyout Goodrow, his first player he signed?

Seems unlikely to me

Makes Drury look like a bigger dummy than he already is to Dolan if he buys him out
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according to who?

He's kept Glenn Sather around for a looooong time. He's the master at wasting money
 
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kyk1827 said:
I hope youre right. But remember he has a 15 team NTC as well. So it’s not like the whole league is open for trading goodrow to.

Im not sure who the prospective Trade partners would be for him. Ottawa seems like they could use a guy like him but will he go there? Buffalo seems like a team that could use a guy like him. But who knows.
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Fair caveat, but if I'm wrong I'll be asking for your venmo account info...
 
Where is it written that Winnipeg had some toxic locker room? I keep seeing it written here but they have had quite a few good young players added to their team over the years who have had success. Are we talking about the fact that Winnipeg hasn't won anything? Because that could be said about a lot of players. It's not like they are a big market team either

Is it Laine who many people in the league have stated needs to take the game more seriously?

I have seen it many times stated that Wheeler is a tireless worker and someone who is a gym rat leading by example. So I'm not understanding the accusations on Wheeler in particular unless there are specific claims against him personally.
 
pld459666 said:
I don't have an issue with it.

League will be paid back this year.

Players received their 50% and the league didn't.

Start 24-25 with a clean ledger and a 90+ ceiling
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Except the league is going to split the jump in cap over two seasons so it doesn’t go up too much in one year

The league is a joke, we don’t need to carry water for Gary and the owners. There’s a reason every other sports salaries and cap have gone sky high and the NHL is stuck in the 90s.
 
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The org wants more guys like Goodrow, not less. He also would get, at best, meaningless midround picks.

Lindgren is the hockey trade guy.
 
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NYR Viper said:
Where is it written that Winnipeg had some toxic locker room? I keep seeing it written here but they have had quite a few good young players added to their team over the years who have had success. Are we talking about the fact that Winnipeg hasn't won anything? Because that could be said about a lot of players. It's not like they are a big market team either

Is it Laine who many people in the league have stated needs to take the game more seriously?

I have seen it many times stated that Wheeler is a tireless worker and someone who is a gym rat leading by example. So I'm not understanding the accusations on Wheeler in particular unless there are specific claims against him personally.
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It’s not a secret that Winnipeg has had locker room issues and Wheeler was at the heart of them. Kevin Hayes said Winnipeg’s locker room was the worst he’s been a part of

Wheeler also wasn’t stripped of the captaincy for no reason
 
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pld459666 said:
I don't have an issue with it.

League will be paid back this year.

Players received their 50% and the league didn't.

Start 24-25 with a clean ledger and a 90+ ceiling
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I get the technicalities.

The fact that this is what it has come to is what is embarrassing. The players should not have been paid in full during Covid. Now we're holding the cap hostage for an amount that will be paid off in the first month? IT all evens out in the end. If you lift the cap now or next few seasons, it averages out.

It works out better for Bettman and his troubled orgs like Arizona since the Cap Floor stagnates.
 
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NYR Viper said:
There is no scenario where trading Goodrow, and attaching picks to him to do so, in order to sign Hathaway makes any sense.

A trade of Goodrow is probably looking at a return of something like what Georgiev brought back. He produces at a 3rd line level and plays every forward position. He's an excellent PKer and a leader as well as he's capable of dropping the gloves and he's only 30 years old.

I will keep reiterating this point, I like Hathaway, but in no world should the Rangers be paying $2m+ for a 4th line winger who is 31 years old.
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If they trade Goodrow it should be so they have breathing room to re-sign their own guys to a little more length, perhaps, and so that they have down the stretch room to maybe bring in a Kane.

Not to add more overinflated fourth line contracts.
 
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mas0764 said:
If they trade Goodrow it should be so they have breathing room to re-sign their own guys to a little more length, perhaps, and so that they have down the stretch room to maybe bring in a Kane.

Not to add more overinflated fourth line contracts.
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Their RFAs dont seem like they want to sign long term. They have agents who are telling them to be up for a new contract after the cap has jumped. It would not shock me to see K'Andre sign a 1 year deal
 
IDvsEGO said:
Except we lose roster flexibility with him on the roster. He’s not worth 3.6 million, and with a flat cap and needing to sign both Laf and miller to rfa deals, we need some flexibility
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So we’re replacing Goodrow with a presumably lesser player that costs less? Let’s say 1.5M which adds 2.1M worth of flexibility at a cost of 9.5M for the next six years. I work around that to keep him or trade him for that lesser player. Buyouts are bad business.
 
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Engvall vs Hathawy and Motte

what would be a better use of cap$?

I think Engvall has sleeper potential. Late bloomer that already has good metrics. He could be a steal if that uptick in production comes

I'd rather sign Engvall and use Cuylle/Brodz/whoever at league minimum
 
Engvall, last 3 seasons metrics.

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I'll beat this drum until all hope is lost.
 
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duhmetreE said:
Engvall vs Hathawy and Motte

what would be a better use of cap$?

I think Engvall has sleeper potential. Late bloomer that already has good metrics. He could be a steal if that uptick in production comes

I'd rather sign Engvall and use Cuylle/Brodz/whoever at league minimum
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I'd rather have Engvall, he can play up in the lineup plus all the reasons you mentioned
 
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duhmetreE said:
Engvall vs Hathawy and Motte

what would be a better use of cap$?

I think Engvall has sleeper potential. Late bloomer that already has good metrics. He could be a steal if that uptick in production comes

I'd rather sign Engvall and use Cuylle/Brodz/whoever at league minimum
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AFP has him projected at 4 years 4M per. I like Engvall but it absolutely requires moving Goodrow any way possible
 
I really fail to see why people are so attached to keeping Goodrow. He’s making 3.6 mil, does a bad job suppressing opponent offense and a worse job driving Rangers offense. His PK numbers are all around team avg so he’s not driving any results there either.

During the playoffs he had an xGF% of 30.48%. The only other Ranger with under a 32% was Panarin. The other 2 4th liners (Motte & Vesey) finished with 36.9% and 37.9% respectively. I could probably buy an argument of “he was used in a shutdown role”, were it not for the fact that Gallant didn’t line match throughout his tenure here as HC
 
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Rangers have some decisions to make yet again regarding the kids. Laf 3rd line LW will not reach his potential.. can he play RW? If not should they trade him? Chytil. Isn’t he more valuable than a 3C? Would they put Trocheck there when he had 65 points and they are paying him 5.6M? Will otthman get a shot? etc.
 
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