Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[McRanger92]

Goodrow has to be a cap dump at this point, may need to pay someone to take him. 4 years is a lot to take in, imo.

why did we sign him again? I’m confused lol

Play defense, kill penalties and add toughness. He's overpaid but it's not like he is a useless player. As it stands today they dont need to dump him. I've said it a bunch but using an asset to get rid of him or buying him out doesnt really make sense to me when Goodrow is a type who have historically thrived under the new coach.

Plus if we buy him out we will just be spending the money on players to replace what he does. Counterproductive imo. We have prospects knocking on the door, just play them and live with the contract. Im sure the buyout will be more palatable with one less year on it next summer anyway.

 

[Leonardo87]

Play defense, kill penalties and add toughness. He's overpaid but it's not like he is a useless player. As it stands today they dont need to dump him. I've said it a bunch but using an asset to get rid of him or buying him out doesnt really make sense to me when Goodrow is a type who have historically thrived under the new coach.

I think it’s better to just keep him around at this point and see what he can do under Lav. It would be hard to move that contract anyway without incentive.

 

[McRanger92]

I think it’s better to just keep him around at this point and see what he can do under Lav. It would be hard to move that contract anyway without incentive.

Yeah it's not like not Nemeth where he's a net negative.

 

[Leonardo87]

Yeah it's not like not Nemeth where he's a net negative.

Who just got bought out by Arizona , yeah Arizona.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I agree Goodrow is over paid, but I think with the hiring of Laviolette, it is all but assured he’s staying. Hes our hardest worker, plays center somewhat effectively, and is decent at face offs. He’s our most willing and best fighter, and other than being slow, probably our best forechecked. He’s one of the few alternate captains who actually deserves to be. He kills penalties as well. Think about how many players we will need to replace what he does. Hathaway for grit 1.2 mil, Motte for forecheck and penalty kill 1 mil. Who are we going to get to play center and win face offs? How do we replace the leadership void?

My guess is we bite the bullet with Goodrow and 4 or 5 .800 mil players to fill in this year, get a guy like Perron at the TDL and hope we win a round in the playoffs,, then start going all in next year.

He’s not our best fighter, just one of the more willing and better he fights than say Laf or Trouba.

 

[Synergy27]

I’m just curious as to what happened recently that turned Goodrow into a negative asset? Just a few weeks ago we were discussing the idea of trading him for a 2nd or a 3rd. No we’re all of a sudden attaching picks to him just to move him?

I don’t buy it. Goodrow is a good, versatile player. He is overpaid, but we’re still only talking about a $3.6M cap hit. I can absolutely see several bubble teams interested in adding him, and if not, just keep him. The cap is workable this year and will basically be a non issue as soon as next year.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Why is this arbitrary 500k in cap space number so important? For what reason is it set that that number is what we need? I have watched teams now win the Cup coming into the year with negative cap space. Who decided this number is the minimum threshold?

Dont tell me its injury call ups, cause 500k is as worthless for that as 10k is. So you are all just hoping to accrue a bunch of cap for the deadline? What if the counter to that is we don't trade anymore picks for mercenaries at the deadline.

I am genuinely curious why you all keep using this number, cause the last 2 years have seen many teams come into the season with less, and some of those teams have done better than the Rangers.

1) injuries happen and you need cap space for call-ups.
2) pretty much any team in contention makes moves at the tdl. Look at boston, had the best regular season ever and still added hatahaway, orlov, bertuzzi. One of vegas’ most valuable playoff guys was barbashev, acquired via trade.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I’m just curious as to what happened recently that turned Goodrow into a negative asset? Just a few weeks ago we were discussing the idea of trading him for a 2nd or a 3rd. No we’re all of a sudden attaching picks to him just to move him?

I don’t buy it. Goodrow is a good, versatile player. He is overpaid, but we’re still only talking about a $3.6M cap hit. I can absolutely see several bubble teams interested in adding him, and if not, just keep him. The cap is workable this year and will basically be a non issue as soon as next year.

This place has never been accurate at judging a player's value. We had chucklef***s on here who thought Kravtsov was going to return a 2nd.

I don't think he's reached "attach a pick to move" status, but the return would be pretty insignificant.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

I agree Goodrow is over paid, but I think with the hiring of Laviolette, it is all but assured he’s staying. Hes our hardest worker, plays center somewhat effectively, and is decent at face offs. He’s our most willing and best fighter, and other than being slow, probably our best forechecked. He’s one of the few alternate captains who actually deserves to be. He kills penalties as well. Think about how many players we will need to replace what he does. Hathaway for grit 1.2 mil, Motte for forecheck and penalty kill 1 mil. Who are we going to get to play center and win face offs? How do we replace the leadership void?

My guess is we bite the bullet with Goodrow and 4 or 5 .800 mil players to fill in this year, get a guy like Perron at the TDL and hope we win a round in the playoffs,, then start going all in next year.

Disagree on the goody part. Hes replaceable with a better player at a cheaper price tag who lavi loves in Hathaway. Hathaway’s predicted price tag according to AFP is 4 X $2AAV. You move goody even if it means having to attach an asset and then sign the following (per AFP’s projections) for slightly less than goodys aav

1) Noel Acciari to center the 4th line 2 X $1.5
2) Hathaway 4 X $2 (GREAT skater and tough as nails).

Kreider-Mika-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Laff
Motte-Trocheck-Hathaway
Cuylle-Acciari-Vesey

Only want motte if he agrees to a 1 year deal, dont want him longer as we have some young guys who can fill that spot next year.

Thats is a great lineup to start the season with and then can adjust accordingly at the TDL

 

[RangersFan1994]

Replace Motte with Hathaway if possible


Kreider Mika Kakko
Lafy Chytil Panarin
Othmann Trocheck Cuylle
Vesey Goodrow Hathaway

Disagree on the goody part. Hes replaceable with a better player at a cheaper price tag who lavi loves in Hathaway. Hathaway’s predicted price tag according to AFP is 4 X $2AAV. You move goody even if it means having to attach an asset and then sign the following (per AFP’s projections) for slightly less than goodys aav

1) Noel Acciari to center the 4th line 2 X $1.5
2) Hathaway 4 X $2 (GREAT skater and tough as nails).

Kreider-Mika-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Laff
Motte-Trocheck-Hathaway
Cuylle-Acciari-Vesey

Only want motte if he agrees to a 1 year deal, dont want him longer as we have some young guys who can fill that spot next year.

Thats is a great lineup to start the season with and then can adjust accordingly at the TDL

I rather have Othmann make the team over Motte. Othmann is making this team. His spot to lose. He looked good in camp last year and only got better.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Replace Motte with Hathaway if possible


Kreider Mika Kakko
Lafy Chytil Panarin
Othmann Trocheck Cuylle
Vesey Goodrow Hathaway





I rather have Othmann make the team over Motte. Othmann is making this team. His spot to lose. He looked good in camp last year and only got better.

Thats why I say just one year on motte. Dont wanna block othmann after this year. Furthermore, if othmann tears it up in camp or tears it up his first 20 or so games in hartford, you just call him up and move vesey/motte to hartford or trade.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Thats why I say just one year on motte. Dont wanna block othmann after this year. Furthermore, if othmann tears it up in camp or tears it up his first 20 or so games in hartford, you just call him up and move vesey/motte to hartford or trade.

Vesey and motte don’t clear waivers.

 

[Raspewtin]

Yeah it's not like not Nemeth where he's a net negative.

His play the last year would indicate he is. He was terrible

Goodrow is legit not a good player and makes a lot of money for it. Idk if he has to go this year but he is a waste of cap space. Vesey is 1000x better at less than 1/3rd the cost.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I’m just curious as to what happened recently that turned Goodrow into a negative asset? Just a few weeks ago we were discussing the idea of trading him for a 2nd or a 3rd. No we’re all of a sudden attaching picks to him just to move him?

I don’t buy it. Goodrow is a good, versatile player. He is overpaid, but we’re still only talking about a $3.6M cap hit. I can absolutely see several bubble teams interested in adding him, and if not, just keep him. The cap is workable this year and will basically be a non issue as soon as next year.

This.

Just keep him if no one will take him without a sweetener. This organization needs to keep the pipeline of high picks on ELC's moving.

 

[SRHRangers]

Rumblings about Wheeler being bought out.

This is the example of a clown that we do not need here. I don't care if he would come cheap and he's a big body and he's a RW.

Guy is a clown.

 

[McRanger92]

His play the last year would indicate he is. He was terrible

Goodrow is legit not a good player and makes a lot of money for it. Idk if he has to go this year but he is a waste of cap space. Vesey is 1000x better at less than 1/3rd the cost.

He outproduced every player we have discussed replacing him with and was good enough to be an important player for 2 Cup teams. He clearly isnt a center but we've seen what he can do within a structure with Tampa and maybe Peca can get the whole team to improve on faceoffs. And so what if Vesey is better, its not an either or proposition. Goodrow's contract isn't precluding the team from making any significant improvement this year. We'd just be paying 2 bottom 6 players UFA contracts instead of 1.

I’m just curious as to what happened recently that turned Goodrow into a negative asset? Just a few weeks ago we were discussing the idea of trading him for a 2nd or a 3rd. No we’re all of a sudden attaching picks to him just to move him?

I don’t buy it. Goodrow is a good, versatile player. He is overpaid, but we’re still only talking about a $3.6M cap hit. I can absolutely see several bubble teams interested in adding him, and if not, just keep him. The cap is workable this year and will basically be a non issue as soon as next year.

Lack of cap space leaguewide more than the player's ability or reputation I would say

 

[mas0764]

Both are easily 2C’s. Theres not 60 better centers than them. The issue is in HF world, 1st line centers are only superstars, guys called 2nd line centers are actually 1st line centers so on and so forth.

Yeah but the thing is, Cup winners have superstars as 1Cs and 1st line centers as 2Cs, so that's why that's the constant aim.

 

[mas0764]

Depending on what happens with Goodrow, I think Tarasenko is still in play.

Beyond that, I am interested in Wheeler if he is bought out by Winnipeg for 3RW. He is 35+. That could fit.

I like the idea of Hathaway but don’t want to pay $2 million for him. That’s just too much.

Othmann can fill a spot until Kane is back.

I don't think there's any way we can afford Tarasenko.

As it stands today they dont need to dump him.

I am not convinced of this statement.

 

[McRanger92]

Rumblings about Wheeler being bought out.

This is the example of a clown that we do not need here. I don't care if he would come cheap and he's a big body and he's a RW.

Guy is a clown.

Wheeler would feel right in his wheelhouse(lol) shifting blame and making excuses for another playoff disappointment next year. It's literally what he's most known for.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I don't think there's any way we can afford Tarasenko.



I am not convinced of this statement.

I think tarasenko could say it makes sense to take a 1-2 year deal and stay in ny, and let the cap jump to give him more options.

 

[McRanger92]

I am not convinced of this statement.

If Laf and Miller are signing bridge deals as reported they don't need to dump the contract. If someone offer sheets Miller (don't hold your breath), the situation changes and I'd have no issue getting rid of him.

 

[pld459666]

4 yrs left so that’s an 8 yr cap hit?
I mean Goodrow is overpaid but he’s not a useless pile

Actually it's two years of negative cap penalty and 6 years of cap hit after the expected increases.

If ever it made sense to buy someone out, this is the player and year to do it.

 

[MrAlmost]

You are not going very far in the playoffs with Vesey, Mott and Goodrow as your starting RWs.

That's fair. I think you can go as far as luck and hard work will take you. Florida got to the Stanley Cup with RW depth that might be worse that Kakko, Goody, Vesey, Motte. Haha

Also, doesn't mean Goodrow can't be moved during the year if a player we like is available. Or maybe Othmann gets some time to get comfortable at RW and he takes the spot.

1) injuries happen and you need cap space for call-ups.
2) pretty much any team in contention makes moves at the tdl. Look at boston, had the best regular season ever and still added hatahaway, orlov, bertuzzi. One of vegas’ most valuable playoff guys was barbashev, acquired via trade.

As for injury callups, start with 21 man roster and have ~900K in space and let it accrue for October and maybe November. Bam! Accrual issue solved for injury callups. That will give more than enough space for the whole year.

As for adding at the deadline, maybe we do, maybe we don't. Boston and Toronto added massively at the deadline and lost to a team that didnt add anyone. Rangers and Devils added huge and made it no where. Vegas was frugal. Maybe a lot of adds isnt the way to go and again, its not like Goodrow cant be moved during the year if more things open up. Also, Vegas had no cap space. They only had LTIR space. They didn't accrue anything. They won the Cup.

I'm not saying I disagree necessarily, but are we sure it is that important to have 500k vs 300k vs 900k? I don't know.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Actually it's two years of negative cap penalty and 6 years of cap hit after the expected increases.

If ever it made sense to buy someone out, this is the player and year to do it.

It was a contract designed to be bought out this year.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Wheeler would feel right in his wheelhouse(lol) shifting blame and making excuses for another playoff disappointment next year. It's literally what he's most known for.

Who are you saying on the rangers makes excuses?