haohmaru
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9.5M spread out over 6 years to buyout Goodrow - that's the kind of shit that always bites you in the ass down the road. If you can't trade Goodrow, you keep Goodrow.
Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition
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NickyFotiu
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I know it will never happen but Id have Messier or Gretz mention how much they enjoyed playing in NY to McDavid. It will not be tomorrow and maybe not anytime soon but it is possible McDavid will play somewhere else eventually like most great players. Lets plant that seed now. Lets increase our odds.
Really interesting to me seeing more and more roster projections slotting trocheck as a 3c
It's not that Troch is 3c.
Chytil forced the hand that we just have 2 2c for now, unless they move Chytil out to the wing.
MrAlmost
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Why is this arbitrary 500k in cap space number so important? For what reason is it set that that number is what we need? I have watched teams now win the Cup coming into the year with negative cap space. Who decided this number is the minimum threshold?
Dont tell me its injury call ups, cause 500k is as worthless for that as 10k is. So you are all just hoping to accrue a bunch of cap for the deadline? What if the counter to that is we don't trade anymore picks for mercenaries at the deadline.
I am genuinely curious why you all keep using this number, cause the last 2 years have seen many teams come into the season with less, and some of those teams have done better than the Rangers.
Dont tell me its injury call ups, cause 500k is as worthless for that as 10k is. So you are all just hoping to accrue a bunch of cap for the deadline? What if the counter to that is we don't trade anymore picks for mercenaries at the deadline.
I am genuinely curious why you all keep using this number, cause the last 2 years have seen many teams come into the season with less, and some of those teams have done better than the Rangers.
NYR Viper
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For me it's more about who I think plays well together.
Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kaako
Panarin-Chytil-_______
Kreider-Trochek-_______
Whether the Trochek or Chytil line is #2, I don't care. Even strength TOI should be pretty evenly disbursed between the top-3 lines anyways
McRanger92
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Kreider-Trocheck-Goodrow checking line. I am skeptical they will trade or buyout Goodrow. They dont really need the cap space unless the improbable happens and KAM gets an offer sheet.
What is Garnet Hathaway getting on the open market? coming off a 4 year 1.5m AAV contract. He will be 32 in November. Career high of 26 points 2 years ago and just 22 last year. What contending team is giving him a raise off of that? Forget Motte and try to squeeze in Hathaway as a bottom 6er. Very close friends and high school teammate of Kreider. Had his best years under Laviolette. He is a good forechecker and not afraid to play at the net and in the corners. I dont think he is a guy you have to buyout Goodrow for to fit. Plus they could use both. More beef for the playoff type game Lavi wants to play.
What is Garnet Hathaway getting on the open market? coming off a 4 year 1.5m AAV contract. He will be 32 in November. Career high of 26 points 2 years ago and just 22 last year. What contending team is giving him a raise off of that? Forget Motte and try to squeeze in Hathaway as a bottom 6er. Very close friends and high school teammate of Kreider. Had his best years under Laviolette. He is a good forechecker and not afraid to play at the net and in the corners. I dont think he is a guy you have to buyout Goodrow for to fit. Plus they could use both. More beef for the playoff type game Lavi wants to play.
NYR Viper
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I think he will, but he won't be signed until January. Which means they will need a placeholder
Hathaway is going to get $2m+. I love the player, will hate the contract.
For the same price, the Rangers could sign Acciari and have ~$500-700k in cap space. I would prefer Acciari honestly.
McRanger92
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I dont buy that Hathaway is getting 2mil from a contender. Assuming he wants to win it makes sense that he'd be interested in NY. Acciari is a guy who is going to get way overpaid imo. Good player though.
NYR Viper
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AFP has Hathaway getting ~$2.05m. I think we all know there will be a bidding war for him. I am assuming he is going to land around $2.25-$2.45m on a 4-5 year deal.
AFP has Acciari at $1.55m.
So about a $500k delta between the two and Acciari is a center.
AFP has Acciari at $1.55m.
So about a $500k delta between the two and Acciari is a center.
McRanger92
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Chytil will probably get a look at 2rw. There's a massive hole there and it'll be easier to find a defensive 3c to make the third line more of a matchup line at least until the deadline than somehow finding cap space for a legitimate 2rw.
I would love to have Kreider or Laf as the LW instead of Panarin. I think Panarin's biggest issue is that Trocheck/Chytil aren't ideal centers for his playstyle. Plus it seems a lot of ppl here believe the ideal RW for Panarin is a slightly cheaper but much worse version of Kakko. We have Kakko at around $2mill already for next season. Might as well slot him as Panarin's RW.
The cap jump starting next year wipes out any negative consequences for buying him out, gives us an extra 500k this year and next to play with on top of his full cap hit.
If you can’t move him without attaching something, it’s the best option.
I’m not moving a 3rd or 4th to move him.
You are not going very far in the playoffs with Vesey, Mott and Goodrow as your starting RWs.
NYR Viper
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Salary Projections - AFP
They are an analytics group who has a full sheet of cap hit and term projections for all UFA's and RFA's in the NHL. They are normally at least pretty accurate.
SA16
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The cap space thing for call ups is entirely unnecessary. So you play short for one game and then get an emergency recall. What's the big deal? Happens multiple times every year. It's more important so space is accrued for later in the year.
Bleuger>>>Accari.
Hell at this point you could fill in 4C with someone from Hartford and it would probably be a better value move. Unless you're getting someone who is elite at something, you're better off trying to fill that role from within or rolling with a Vesey esque league minimum guy.
Hell at this point you could fill in 4C with someone from Hartford and it would probably be a better value move. Unless you're getting someone who is elite at something, you're better off trying to fill that role from within or rolling with a Vesey esque league minimum guy.
I agree with this but it does worry me a bit to expect a 32 year old playing such a physical brand of hockey to stay healthy over an 82 game schedule. Plus I don’t see him signing for less than 1.2 million, and Laviolette did trade him towards end of last year while Washington still had a chance at a playoff birth. Does that mean Lavi saw that he was losing a step or two?
Depending on what happens with Goodrow, I think Tarasenko is still in play.
Beyond that, I am interested in Wheeler if he is bought out by Winnipeg for 3RW. He is 35+. That could fit.
I like the idea of Hathaway but don’t want to pay $2 million for him. That’s just too much.
Othmann can fill a spot until Kane is back.
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I agree for wingers, but I would prefer to find the right guy for 4C, perhaps pay an additional $400-500k and then use Brodzinski as an injury callup.
My concern with using Brodzinski from Day 1 is that if an injury to any of the centers occurs, who is next up? The organization's center depth is good at the NHL level but not elsewhere.
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The Caps knew they weren't making it, I don't think the trade was a referendum on Hathaway, more that the Bruins wanted him with Orlov. Honestly I'd be surprised if he doesn't sign in Boston or NY. Seems like a guy who will sign for less to play somewhere he's comfortable and can win unless some team blows him out of the water with an offer
Switch Vesey to center. Let Peca teach him some tricks for the faceoff circle. We know he can cover the defensive responsibilities.
Wheeler was a main piece in a locker room that was toxic af especially to young players.
I can’t see him coming to a team that’s filled with young kids. Especially where Trouba is well aware of wheeler’s personality, and is now in the leadership position.
Tarasenko is actually my ideal rw. The cap is the issue.
I’d do
Laf-Mika-kakko
Panarin - Chytil - tarasenko
Kreider - trocheck - Othmann
Not sure about the 4th line.
Goodrow has to be a cap dump at this point, may need to pay someone to take him. 4 years is a lot to take in, imo.
why did we sign him again? I’m confused lol
why did we sign him again? I’m confused lol
I agree Goodrow is over paid, but I think with the hiring of Laviolette, it is all but assured he’s staying. Hes our hardest worker, plays center somewhat effectively, and is decent at face offs. He’s our most willing and best fighter, and other than being slow, probably our best forechecked. He’s one of the few alternate captains who actually deserves to be. He kills penalties as well. Think about how many players we will need to replace what he does. Hathaway for grit 1.2 mil, Motte for forecheck and penalty kill 1 mil. Who are we going to get to play center and win face offs? How do we replace the leadership void?
My guess is we bite the bullet with Goodrow and 4 or 5 .800 mil players to fill in this year, get a guy like Perron at the TDL and hope we win a round in the playoffs,, then start going all in next year.
My guess is we bite the bullet with Goodrow and 4 or 5 .800 mil players to fill in this year, get a guy like Perron at the TDL and hope we win a round in the playoffs,, then start going all in next year.
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