Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[tomobson]

I love reading about all the fourth liners we can pair with Panarin to make our 2nd line better.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

That was Greg/Puck Daddy writing about what moves he wants to see happen.

Cuck Daddy is an idiot. How are the Rangers signing him? How is he fitting in when Kreider and Panarin are also signed long term? Power play time? Where? And if they trade Chytil that leaves them with no 3C and no 4C.

 

[NYR Viper]

I love reading about all the fourth liners we can pair with Panarin to make our 2nd line better.

Welcome to the salary cap. When you're paid $11.6m you have to be able to elevate other players' game. It also doesn't help that he doesn't appear to mesh with anyone on the team.

 

[glr1926]

Article from Grey Wyshynsky from ESPNdotcom (take it for what it's worth); he proposes the Rangers trade for Alex DeBrincat (I'm not advocating this, especially for what he proposes):

The Rangers trade for Alex DeBrincat​

When I attended New York Rangers breakdown day, the recurring theme was the need for the team to get a bit faster and add more offensive pop to the lineup -- especially with the expected departure of trade deadline rentals Patrick Kane and Vladimir Tarasenko to free agency.
This was a direct result of the Rangers losing to the Devils in the first round of the playoffs. So was firing coach Gerard Gallant after two seasons -- well, along with some reported friction with GM Chris Drury -- as they replace him with Peter Laviolette. So will any other further overreactions by the Rangers this offseason ... like if they trade for DeBrincat.
The diminutive winger has above-average speed and tremendous finishing skills; while his goal total dipped to 27 tallies in a down year for the Senators in 2022-23, the 25-year-old has two 41-goal seasons to his credit with Chicago.
Alex DeBrincat could supply some of what the Rangers are looking to add this summer. Richard A. Whittaker/Icon Sportswire
DeBrincat is one-and-done with Ottawa. He's a restricted free agent whom they've taken to arbitration -- his salary was $9 million this season, which gives you a good idea of what his next contract might look like.
The Rangers have just over $11 million in cap space, but they also have to give new contracts to both K'Andre Miller and Alexis Lafreniere. So how do they get a DeBrincat trade done? It starts with including Filip Chytil in the deal. The Senators need centers. They also need players that are locked into playing in Ottawa for some time. Chytil makes $4,437,500 against the cap through 2026-27. He's ideal.
Could the trade involve two Kid Line members? I don't think the Rangers are going to give up on Lafreniere. I'm less convinced they feel the same way about Kaapo Kakko. He's coming off a promising 18-goal season. I think they can unload here to clear even more space.

Can they get it done with those two alone? That really depends on the other offers out there for DeBrincat and his willingness to get something done contractually with those suitors. If -- and this is a big if -- the Rangers can hold onto their 23rd overall pick in a DeBrincat trade, perhaps they could package it and forward Barclay Goodrow ($3,641,667 AAV through 2026-27) for a replacement at center. Maybe Radek Faksa of the Dallas Stars, who has two years left on his deal?
The Stars could use a first-rounder, if only to potentially package it with a player they might want to move on from. Do they still have faith in Mason Marchment? Is it time to have the conversation with Jamie Benn, who has two years left at $9.5 million AAV and would absolutely need a sweetener and salary retention if they were ever to trade the captain?
The dominoes can sometimes fall in unpredictable directions.

Adding DeBrincat is already almost impossible for cap purposes. But trading Kakko, leaving us with a top 6 RW spot to fill still, makes it significantly worse.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

Adding DeBrincat is already almost impossible for cap purposes. But trading Kakko, leaving us with a top 6 RW spot to fill still, makes it significantly worse.

This is why I'm not advocating for this. Makes no sense cap wise.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Adding DeBrincat is already almost impossible for cap purposes. But trading Kakko, leaving us with a top 6 RW spot to fill still, makes it significantly worse.

Grey Wyshynsky is a very well known devils fan. He can’t take off his homer goggles even for stupid articles like this.
His way too early power rankings had the rangers behind the islanders.

 

[Ruggs225]

Yeah Wysh is awful at every level. Just a complete clown in his articles.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

I can see Hathaway being signed.

He had strong metrics under Lavi and somehwat fills a need. Hopefully he doesn't cost much

I like Hathaway, but he's going to get overpaid. We already need to move out salary, especially if the cap is only going up by $1M.

 

[haohmaru]

 

[duhmetreE]

I know it's getting ahead of myself but Othmann would pair nicely with Panarin.

Kreider Zibs Kakko
Panarin Chytil Othmann
Laffy Trocheck Engvall
Cuylle Blueger Vesey

I'm not giving up on signing Engvall.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I know it's getting ahead of myself but Othmann would pair nicely with Panarin.

Kreider Zibs Kakko
Panarin Chytil Othmann
Laffy Trocheck Engvall
Cuylle Blueger Vesey

I'm not giving up on signing Engvall.

I don’t mind the right side but flip Laf and Ck.

 

[NYR Viper]

I am going to create a scenario and then I want to hear people's opinions:

Trades:
Jones + Goodrow to SJ for NJ 2nd '24 + COL 4th '23 + CBJ 5th '23

Signings:
Lafreniere - 2 years @ $2.25m
Miller - 3 years @ $4m
Halak - 1 year @ $1m
C. Smith - 2 years @ $1.25m
Eller - 2 years @ $1.3m
Hornqvist - 1 year @ $900k
Kiviranta - 2 years @ $850k
Erne - 2 years @ $800k

That leaves $3.842m in cap space. Let's assume that the Rangers want to add size and length to their back-end. If given the choice, who would you prefer? Mikkola or Soucy @ 3 years for $2.5m

That would leave the team with ~$1.3m in cap space to start the season (could be more if they bonus Halak) and with this lineup

I know it's getting ahead of myself but Othmann would pair nicely with Panarin.

Kreider Zibs Kakko
Panarin Chytil Othmann
Laffy Trocheck Engvall
Cuylle Blueger Vesey

I'm not giving up on signing Engvall.

I agree, Othmann should be a nice compliment to Panarin. I still wouldn't assume he's ready to start this season. I keep coming back to Craig Smith as an option to bridge the gap though. They don't need to invest a lot, the player wants to rebuild his value and get his game back and playing with Panarin will be his best opportunity more than likely.

I really like Engvall the player, but I'm concerned with his contract although he is the type of player who could conceivably get a long term deal for a low cap hit. Say 6 years @ $2.75m or something like that. He's 27.

I don’t mind the right side but flip Laf and Ck.

I agree. The top line, IMO, should be Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kaako. Get Kreider and Zibanejad away from each other at 5v5

 

[zlev]

I know it's getting ahead of myself but Othmann would pair nicely with Panarin.

Kreider Zibs Kakko
Panarin Chytil Othmann
Laffy Trocheck Engvall
Cuylle Blueger Vesey

I'm not giving up on signing Engvall.

im also on the Engvall train but Blueger sucks. just use Brodzinski as the 4C.

 

[duhmetreE]

I am going to create a scenario and then I want to hear people's opinions:

Trades:
Jones + Goodrow to SJ for NJ 2nd '24 + COL 4th '23 + CBJ 5th '23

Signings:
Lafreniere - 2 years @ $2.25m
Miller - 3 years @ $4m
Halak - 1 year @ $1m
C. Smith - 2 years @ $1.25m
Eller - 2 years @ $1.3m
Hornqvist - 1 year @ $900k
Kiviranta - 2 years @ $850k
Erne - 2 years @ $800k

That leaves $3.842m in cap space. Let's assume that the Rangers want to add size and length to their back-end. If given the choice, who would you prefer? Mikkola or Soucy @ 3 years for $2.5m

That would leave the team with ~$1.3m in cap space to start the season (could be more if they bonus Halak) and with this lineup
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I agree, Othmann should be a nice compliment to Panarin. I still wouldn't assume he's ready to start this season. I keep coming back to Craig Smith as an option to bridge the gap though. They don't need to invest a lot, the player wants to rebuild his value and get his game back and playing with Panarin will be his best opportunity more than likely.

I really like Engvall the player, but I'm concerned with his contract although he is the type of player who could conceivably get a long term deal for a low cap hit. Say 6 years @ $2.75m or something like that. He's 27.



I agree. The top line, IMO, should be Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kaako. Get Kreider and Zibanejad away from each other at 5v5

Smith is at that age where his past season could be 'it'. It'd have to be a minimal cap hit. I definitely do not go in with him being locked into the middle6 along with Vesey. That'd be rough.

im also on the Engvall train but Blueger sucks. just use Brodzinski as the 4C.

Blueger serves a purpose. Faceoffs, PK and late game defense. That's his role

 

[NYR Viper]

Smith is at that age where his past season could be 'it'. It'd have to be a minimal cap hit. I definitely do not go in with him being locked into the middle6 along with Vesey. That'd be rough.


Blueger serves a purpose. Faceoffs, PK and late game defense. That's his role

I'm not sure. Laviolette would know first hand where Smith is at. If he regains any semblance of form he's a good 2-way winger. The other option, as always, is just force Panarin to RW.

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kaako
Kreider-Chytil-Panarin
________-Trochek-Vesey

A guy like Comtois, if he isn't qualified would be a good addition in this lineup. Backup plan being Cuylle.

I am liking Eller more and more for that 4C role and I would be willing to slightly overpay for a good 4C. I think this year we saw how much the center position, specifically on the 4th line where the skill level may not be there for all (3) players, can play a large role in being effective. Just the ability to transport the puck and get pucks to the net is important.

Not $3m important, but if the decision is Brodzinski @ $.77m or Eller @ $1.2m I could get behind Eller.

 

[RangersFan1994]

I'm not sure. Laviolette would know first hand where Smith is at. If he regains any semblance of form he's a good 2-way winger. The other option, as always, is just force Panarin to RW.

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kaako
Kreider-Chytil-Panarin
________-Trochek-Vesey

A guy like Comtois, if he isn't qualified would be a good addition in this lineup. Backup plan being Cuylle.

I am liking Eller more and more for that 4C role and I would be willing to slightly overpay for a good 4C. I think this year we saw how much the center position, specifically on the 4th line where the skill level may not be there for all (3) players, can play a large role in being effective. Just the ability to transport the puck and get pucks to the net is important.

Not $3m important, but if the decision is Brodzinski @ $.77m or Eller @ $1.2m I could get behind Eller.

I rather get Cuylle more ice time in the AHL if he is just gonna be a 4th line plug. I still say he has Ryan Clowe upside (Sharks version, not Devils or Rangers) he should be a 3rd liner in the NHL once he makes it. Why rush him. He has scored 20 goals in a 1st full AHL season. Yea 4th line would not help his game at all. He has some offensive skill too. He is not Tanner Glass out there.

 

[zlev]

Goodrow and a 2nd for Lomberg. Florida clearly needs a guy that Knows How To Win.

 

[bernmeister]

Article from Grey Wyshynsky from ESPNdotcom (take it for what it's worth); he proposes the Rangers trade for Alex DeBrincat (I'm not advocating this, especially for what he proposes):

The Rangers trade for Alex DeBrincat​

When I attended New York Rangers breakdown day, the recurring theme was the need for the team to get a bit faster and add more offensive pop to the lineup -- especially with the expected departure of trade deadline rentals Patrick Kane and Vladimir Tarasenko to free agency.
This was a direct result of the Rangers losing to the Devils in the first round of the playoffs. So was firing coach Gerard Gallant after two seasons -- well, along with some reported friction with GM Chris Drury -- as they replace him with Peter Laviolette. So will any other further overreactions by the Rangers this offseason ... like if they trade for DeBrincat.
The diminutive winger has above-average speed and tremendous finishing skills; while his goal total dipped to 27 tallies in a down year for the Senators in 2022-23, the 25-year-old has two 41-goal seasons to his credit with Chicago.
Alex DeBrincat could supply some of what the Rangers are looking to add this summer. Richard A. Whittaker/Icon Sportswire
DeBrincat is one-and-done with Ottawa. He's a restricted free agent whom they've taken to arbitration -- his salary was $9 million this season, which gives you a good idea of what his next contract might look like.
The Rangers have just over $11 million in cap space, but they also have to give new contracts to both K'Andre Miller and Alexis Lafreniere. So how do they get a DeBrincat trade done? It starts with including Filip Chytil in the deal. The Senators need centers. They also need players that are locked into playing in Ottawa for some time. Chytil makes $4,437,500 against the cap through 2026-27. He's ideal.
Could the trade involve two Kid Line members? I don't think the Rangers are going to give up on Lafreniere. I'm less convinced they feel the same way about Kaapo Kakko. He's coming off a promising 18-goal season. I think they can unload here to clear even more space.

Can they get it done with those two alone? That really depends on the other offers out there for DeBrincat and his willingness to get something done contractually with those suitors. If -- and this is a big if -- the Rangers can hold onto their 23rd overall pick in a DeBrincat trade, perhaps they could package it and forward Barclay Goodrow ($3,641,667 AAV through 2026-27) for a replacement at center. Maybe Radek Faksa of the Dallas Stars, who has two years left on his deal?
The Stars could use a first-rounder, if only to potentially package it with a player they might want to move on from. Do they still have faith in Mason Marchment? Is it time to have the conversation with Jamie Benn, who has two years left at $9.5 million AAV and would absolutely need a sweetener and salary retention if they were ever to trade the captain?
The dominoes can sometimes fall in unpredictable directions.

don't encourage writers w/stupid deal suggestions moving our core guys

 

[duhmetreE]

I don’t mind the right side but flip Laf and Ck.

Kreider Zibs Kakko worked well. It's the first option

It should be able to dominate possession and have a strong 2way game.

 

[surlysailor]

Goodrow and a 2nd for Lomberg. Florida clearly needs a guy that Knows How To Win.

This would is a lot to give up for Lomberg who is an ok 4th liner and has maxed out at 20 points his entire career. I would rather just mold our own or sign a guy to a 1 year deal. Also I don't think FL is in a spot to add a 3.6 mil bottom 6 forward. They basically need to re-sign a whole new bottom pairing on D. Also have a few notable UFA's next off season (Montour, Duclair, Reinhart...). You're basically giving up a 2nd for a worse/smaller version of Goodrow who will prob want a similar contract the following off season. Get rid of Goodrow for whatever and sign 2 of Brown, Eller, Smith, Sundqvist, Blueger, Nosek, Acari, Nieto to fill out the 4th line w/Cuylle and/or Vesey.

 

[zlev]

This would is a lot to give up for Lomberg who is an ok 4th liner and has maxed out at 20 points his entire career. I would rather just mold our own or sign a guy to a 1 year deal. Also I don't think FL is in a spot to add a 3.6 mil bottom 6 forward. They basically need to re-sign a whole new bottom pairing on D. Also have a few notable UFA's next off season (Montour, Duclair, Reinhart...). You're basically giving up a 2nd for a worse/smaller version of Goodrow who will prob want a similar contract the following off season. Get rid of Goodrow for whatever and sign 2 of Brown, Eller, Smith, Sundqvist, Blueger, Nosek, Acari, Nieto to fill out the 4th line w/Cuylle and/or Vesey.

it's gonna take a lot to dump Goodrow

 

[McRanger92]

Is there a good reason why we shouldn’t just run back the same team with Cuylle, Jones & Othmann? All the bottom 6ers mentioned can be acquired for very little at the deadline.

 

[RangersFan1994]

im also on the Engvall train but Blueger sucks. just use Brodzinski as the 4C.

I would not want a 30 year 4th liner that has only played 101 games. I rather give a chance for Edstrom who played pro hockey in Europe a shot to make a team or some tryouts. Brodzinski is not a NHL regular at 30 years old for a reason. He is not that good. Rather give the younger player with a future a chance to make it. I wish the Rangers can draft the next Dom Moore or trade for a young Brian Boyle. I miss those types here. Not some AHL allstar NHL stiff.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Why are we getting rid of Lindgren again?

Because of our overabundance of Nhl caliber left D . . Checks notes. ...nope thats not it. I dunno

Is there a good reason why we shouldn’t just run back the same team with Cuylle, Jones & Othmann? All the bottom 6ers mentioned can be acquired for very little at the deadline.

We should and hopefully will, id throw Robertson and Berard into the fold too. Its time this organization handed the reins to the kids.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Kreider-Zib-Kakko was the best I’ve seen Kakko perform. 9 points in 11 games and GG broke it up with one bad game.

Panarin-Trocheck-Laf (it’s the only way he’s going to get a real chance to be worth the 1OA pick any time soon

With the team cap strapped I’m not sure there’s a better option

it's gonna take a lot to dump Goodrow

Yeah money.. only one year is it a lot for a BO and by that time the cap will balloon and Rangers will either be rebuilding or just paying the kids.