Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition
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More of the problem is I don’t think he’s tradeable and for the money he’s getting slotted into 3rd line wing
I do agree they need a 4th line C and not a Carpenter type . Thing is they can’t spend more than like 1.5 on it
NYR Viper
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Yes, he's on my list for guys who would fit really well as a 4C on a short term deal. The question really is, what are his contract expectations. He's good on faceoffs, low-key physical and has some skill.
Machinehead
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I'd be more interested in the 4C discussion if we were a good team that needed to improve on the margins.
It feels like Xzibit putting a tv in the glove compartment and the car doesn't have an engine.
It feels like Xzibit putting a tv in the glove compartment and the car doesn't have an engine.
NYR Viper
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I think the player you're looking for is Josh Leivo. I agree with this 100%.
The reason we all keep talking about 100 different players is that many of these guys really are interchangeable. Yes, someone like Motte may be better defensively than someone like Hinostroza, and that may fit better in to what the team may need, but it shouldn't be overpaid for.
Does it have an electric motor though?
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SA16
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Leivo is irrelevant. He's a good player, and deserves a lineup spot, but he's bounced around five teams the last six years none of which wanted to give him a full time role and I don't see why we would expect the Rangers to do any different. Waste of a contract spot most likely.
Machinehead
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I would love to find a guy like Motte but with some talent, and a hope and a prayer of being in the top 9.
I was so taken aback earlier this year when somebody called Motte "Hagelin with some skill." It's quite literally the opposite. Hagelin was Motte with some skill.
Machinehead
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Well, again, I'm drifting towards the opinion that playing more than 10 forwards is a waste of a contract spot.
NYR Viper
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I don't think he is a huge difference maker but the guy, consistently, is a pretty large positive possession monster everywhere he goes. That's no accident. When the Panarin line has played pretty well with the likes of Blackwell and Hunt, I consider Leivo as someone who would provide more of what that line needs. He controls the boards, he maintains possession of the puck and he isn't the type of player who would be opposed to winning battles and moving the puck to Panarin in space.
For $775k a year, that's not a bad option to try. If it works, great! If it doesn't, demote him.
He's an intriguing option not because I expect him to score 30 goals, but because he may FIT that line and do so at peanuts towards the cap.
Machinehead
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Yeah, Zibanejad is kind of mid 5v5 but we've also demonstrated more than once that we can find lines for him where the line is really good 5v5.
And then we don't play those lines.
That's a random thought I had.
And then we don't play those lines.
That's a random thought I had.
NYR Viper
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What's a bit ironic is going back maybe 6-8 years we saw guys like Konopka getting roster spots just because they were good at one specific thing (faceoffs). I wouldn't be opposed to that if that player exists.
By this I mean, if they can find someone who excels at the PK, but doesn't provide value at 5v5 I'd consider it. The idea that the 3rd line can't play another 2 minutes at 5v5 when all players are looking for more ice time is a bit outdated.
SA16
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Yes, he's good. He's been on five teams. All five coaches he's had didn't think he could play full time. He's played 0 playoff games despite being on teams that have made the playoffs. Why would you think Laviolette will see things anything differently? I don't agree with it but I think you need to consider how the coaching staff will see things. He's not young and he's bounced around forever. If the Rangers sign him he will most likely be waived and sent to the AHL if not claimed at some point in the season.
Machinehead
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I like the way you're thinking. It doesn't have to be Leivo specifically but it's good to target guys who maybe can be a fit higher up than wasting money on somebody who plays 9 minutes. If the former doesn't work out, he can just play the 9 minutes probably better than the more expensive guy.
Honestly, when Vesey was on that line, it wasn't that bad. He had 24 5v5 points.
NYR Viper
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Vesey is a great example. Although I think he is an aberration. That guy should be a 3rd liner
I'm okay with that. I don't care if they sign 5 guys who they think may fit there and only 1 works out. All of them will cost less than $1m and can be demoted at any time.
SA16
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I do. He has almost zero chance to get any playing time in the playoffs. He will have to go through waivers to be sent down. If he makes the team they won't want to risk losing him right away and will instead have his contract on the books for however long preventing the team from accruing cap space which they could do with a player who is waiver eligible.
Machinehead
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It's good to look at who the hockey world is undervaluing but you also have to balance that with who your coach (from the same world) is actually going to put on the ice.
NYR Viper
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With the cap situation around the league and specifically in NY, if a guy like Leivo can be signed to play in 60 games with the team and then get demoted by signing, say, Patrick Kane when he gets healthy, I'm okay with that.
Worst case - he doesn't fit and gets demoted earlier. Again, this is why they should sign a few guys who can fill holes and move them around as needed
Best case - he works out and he fills a top-9 spot as a complimentary piece for 60-82 games.
SA16
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I think we should be a little more realistic here. He's played 50 games in his career one time - this year - on a bad team that had a ton of injuries and traded a bunch of guys away at the deadline. He's played 40 games twice. The chance that he plays 60-82 games on any team, let alone a contender, is negligible.
Having a guy like Leivo on the roster for 60 games would make your scenario of signing Kane less likely. It needs to be a guy, or rotation of guys, who can be sent up and down on off days. It makes no sense to have someone sit as a healthy scratch taking up space on off days - like they just did with Hajek for a while.
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Article from Grey Wyshynsky from ESPNdotcom (take it for what it's worth); he proposes the Rangers trade for Alex DeBrincat (I'm not advocating this, especially for what he proposes):
This was a direct result of the Rangers losing to the Devils in the first round of the playoffs. So was firing coach Gerard Gallant after two seasons -- well, along with some reported friction with GM Chris Drury -- as they replace him with Peter Laviolette. So will any other further overreactions by the Rangers this offseason ... like if they trade for DeBrincat.
The diminutive winger has above-average speed and tremendous finishing skills; while his goal total dipped to 27 tallies in a down year for the Senators in 2022-23, the 25-year-old has two 41-goal seasons to his credit with Chicago.
Alex DeBrincat could supply some of what the Rangers are looking to add this summer. Richard A. Whittaker/Icon Sportswire
DeBrincat is one-and-done with Ottawa. He's a restricted free agent whom they've taken to arbitration -- his salary was $9 million this season, which gives you a good idea of what his next contract might look like.
The Rangers have just over $11 million in cap space, but they also have to give new contracts to both K'Andre Miller and Alexis Lafreniere. So how do they get a DeBrincat trade done? It starts with including Filip Chytil in the deal. The Senators need centers. They also need players that are locked into playing in Ottawa for some time. Chytil makes $4,437,500 against the cap through 2026-27. He's ideal.
Could the trade involve two Kid Line members? I don't think the Rangers are going to give up on Lafreniere. I'm less convinced they feel the same way about Kaapo Kakko. He's coming off a promising 18-goal season. I think they can unload here to clear even more space.
Can they get it done with those two alone? That really depends on the other offers out there for DeBrincat and his willingness to get something done contractually with those suitors. If -- and this is a big if -- the Rangers can hold onto their 23rd overall pick in a DeBrincat trade, perhaps they could package it and forward Barclay Goodrow ($3,641,667 AAV through 2026-27) for a replacement at center. Maybe Radek Faksa of the Dallas Stars, who has two years left on his deal?
The Stars could use a first-rounder, if only to potentially package it with a player they might want to move on from. Do they still have faith in Mason Marchment? Is it time to have the conversation with Jamie Benn, who has two years left at $9.5 million AAV and would absolutely need a sweetener and salary retention if they were ever to trade the captain?
The dominoes can sometimes fall in unpredictable directions.
The Rangers trade for Alex DeBrincat
When I attended New York Rangers breakdown day, the recurring theme was the need for the team to get a bit faster and add more offensive pop to the lineup -- especially with the expected departure of trade deadline rentals Patrick Kane and Vladimir Tarasenko to free agency.This was a direct result of the Rangers losing to the Devils in the first round of the playoffs. So was firing coach Gerard Gallant after two seasons -- well, along with some reported friction with GM Chris Drury -- as they replace him with Peter Laviolette. So will any other further overreactions by the Rangers this offseason ... like if they trade for DeBrincat.
The diminutive winger has above-average speed and tremendous finishing skills; while his goal total dipped to 27 tallies in a down year for the Senators in 2022-23, the 25-year-old has two 41-goal seasons to his credit with Chicago.
Alex DeBrincat could supply some of what the Rangers are looking to add this summer. Richard A. Whittaker/Icon Sportswire
DeBrincat is one-and-done with Ottawa. He's a restricted free agent whom they've taken to arbitration -- his salary was $9 million this season, which gives you a good idea of what his next contract might look like.
The Rangers have just over $11 million in cap space, but they also have to give new contracts to both K'Andre Miller and Alexis Lafreniere. So how do they get a DeBrincat trade done? It starts with including Filip Chytil in the deal. The Senators need centers. They also need players that are locked into playing in Ottawa for some time. Chytil makes $4,437,500 against the cap through 2026-27. He's ideal.
Could the trade involve two Kid Line members? I don't think the Rangers are going to give up on Lafreniere. I'm less convinced they feel the same way about Kaapo Kakko. He's coming off a promising 18-goal season. I think they can unload here to clear even more space.
Can they get it done with those two alone? That really depends on the other offers out there for DeBrincat and his willingness to get something done contractually with those suitors. If -- and this is a big if -- the Rangers can hold onto their 23rd overall pick in a DeBrincat trade, perhaps they could package it and forward Barclay Goodrow ($3,641,667 AAV through 2026-27) for a replacement at center. Maybe Radek Faksa of the Dallas Stars, who has two years left on his deal?
The Stars could use a first-rounder, if only to potentially package it with a player they might want to move on from. Do they still have faith in Mason Marchment? Is it time to have the conversation with Jamie Benn, who has two years left at $9.5 million AAV and would absolutely need a sweetener and salary retention if they were ever to trade the captain?
The dominoes can sometimes fall in unpredictable directions.
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Not to get off topic, but Hagelin was also a key example of proper player development. I watched him play a lot in the NCAA and his game there was as a playmaker, perimeter player. At the NHL level he didn't have anything near the ability to play that kind of game. As Torts succinctly put it, Hagelin sucks on the power play.
He changed to a north-south game with his speed and motor, was able to chip in middle 6 points because of respectable hands, and had a great career.
Kakko has adjusted his game to fit the NHL, Laf has not. That's the key difference in the development of those two, from my perspective.
Machinehead
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Agreed on all points and I think it speaks to what people want (hopefully) out of a coaching change. Nobody is looking for cutting-edge innovation. We just want to get back to having a plan and being able to make certain guys better.
Kakko has overcorrected into a guy that couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat (as they say in baseball) and it would be great if we could get the most out of him.
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Machinehead
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I would move out Trouba and Goodrow to accommodate the hot dog guy in 214.
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