Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Karlsson has three years at over $11 million left. Unless it's a straight swap for our favorite laughing and winking Russian winger, where is this money coming from?

 

[Machinehead]

Karlsson has three years at over $11 million left. Unless it's a straight swap for our favorite laughing and winking Russian winger, where is this money coming from?

There would obviously have to be retention and if they take Goodrow back, that's almost 60% of the cost right there.

 

[Do you want ants]

If the canes can’t work out a deal for Pesce this summer, I’d like to kick the tires on him.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

There would obviously have to be retention and if they take Goodrow back, that's almost 60% of the cost right there.

I don't see how there would be enough room to run a normal hockey operation even with retention. Too tight.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I wouldn't give up on Miller. No way.

The kid has played defense for only what, 5 years?

Hes still relatively raw with over 200 NHL games + 27 Postseason

 

[Machinehead]

I don't see how there would be enough room to run a normal hockey operation even with retention. Too tight.

That ship has sailed. We just basically played an entire season without enough players.

 

[Machinehead]

Not to mention if you make a big move like that, it's at the deadline where the cost is significantly cut.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I wouldn't give up on Miller. No way.

The kid has played defense for only what, 5 years?

Hes still relatively raw with over 200 NHL games + 27 Postseason

7-8 years. He’s d+5 already.

 

[Mandar]

I would not mind Comtois if the price is right,

New flavors? Shocking

how about Vinny Hinostrosza for some depth? He is only 29 and can skate. Better than Tyler Motte

More new flavors….it’s like Baskin Robbins

 

[Machinehead]

The only reason I'd bring in a 4th liner that's floating around is if he's youngish and there's some hope he can move up. If not, the 4th line is his floor.

We don't need to improve the 4th line nor do we have a better chance if we do.

The obsession with spot work role players is so unique to hockey fans. I don't ever see basketball fans roster building around their 9th man or baseball fans around a platoon middle infielder.

The answer to that is always the same. Get somebody who used to be good and wants to stick around. Former good players are always, always, always, always better role players than role players, and in hockey, they're often cheaper than flavor of the month grit.

 

[Machinehead]

Speaking of which, you know who's still good at even strength offense and would probably work $20/hr at this point? Phil Kessel.

Shit, people aren't against bringing Kane back. Kessel is a better player right now. Period. Full stop. Hit send.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Speaking of which, you know who's still good at even strength offense and would probably work $20/hr at this point? Phil Kessel.

Shit, people aren't against bringing Kane back. Kessel is a better player right now. Period. Full stop. Hit send.

One legged pirate Kane? Sure.

Better than a fully healthy Kane? Sorry, no effin' way.

 

[RangersFan1994]

The only reason I'd bring in a 4th liner that's floating around is if he's youngish and there's some hope he can move up. If not, the 4th line is his floor.

We don't need to improve the 4th line nor do we have a better chance if we do.

The obsession with spot work role players is so unique to hockey fans. I don't ever see basketball fans roster building around their 9th man or baseball fans around a platoon middle infielder.

The answer to that is always the same. Get somebody who used to be good and wants to stick around. Former good players are always, always, always, always better role players than role players, and in hockey, they're often cheaper than flavor of the month grit.

Just let Edstrom and or Trivigno make the team and if Lafy or Kakko move up from the kid line to top 2, let Cuylle get 3rd line minutes. This dude has skill and would be wasted on the 4th line. He scored 20 goals as a first year full season in the AHL. Yea lets bury him on the 4th line on the Rangers. Cuylle should play 3rd line in the NHL or play more minutes in the AHL on the top lines. 4th line does nothing for Cuylle.

 

[Machinehead]

One legged pirate Kane? Sure.

Better than a fully healthy Kane? Sorry, no effin' way.

That depends on how far back Kane was actually healthy and how close to that he ever gets again, two things we don't know.

Even more reason to take the similar player (being generous there) that's way less of a risk.

 

[Machinehead]

You know, Kessel had 36 points, 27 at even strength, playing 12:49 a game.

I know you guys have that concept down because it gets brought up about Lafreniere every 10 minutes, even though he plays 15:13 a game.

 

[mike14]

New coach, most of the team that just had a 107pt season coming back, and being only 12 months removed from the ECF, plus an expected large cap bump in 12 months.
I'd be standing pat unless there's an absolute deal to be made and seeing what Lav can do with the roster as is, and what he thinks he'll need to play his game in year 2.
Determine whether Laf, KK and CHytil are long term pieces. Work out whether you think Miller's brain will catch up to his athletic ability
By the TDL there should be a pretty good understanding about where the cap is going so maybe somebody wants to overpay for Goodrow and cup run knowing the can afford him moving forward, otherwise you wait until the offseason and look to move him plus whatever else to get Lav what he thinks he needs (within reason)

 

[TheDirtyH]

I’ll never understand the boards obsession with bringing in other teams problems when we can’t figure out our own. Sharangovich was a healthy scratch in the playoffs and if the “genius” Devils don’t want him, why should we?

I know I'm late responding, but srsly, after VEGAS wins the cup this is a hot take.

 

[Alluckks]

Often it does, but it really depends on the age of the player and how many UFA years are being bought. A player that is 4 years from UFA status who signs for 8 years will almost certainly have a higher AAV than if he signed for 5 years.

Lindgren will be 26 when his next contract starts. An 8 year deal would take him to 34, so he is in that range where adding more years would likely reduce the AAV, but it might not be a significant difference.

Well that kinda takes me back to my point. You used a comparison of a guy that got 5.2 per year for 8 years, but said that Lindgren won't get 8 years (I agree), and therefore the average won't be as high (which I didn't necessarily agree with and why I asked the question anyway).

Lindgren only has the 1 year of RFA left to buy. Everything after is UFA. He also doesn't have a style (or recent track record) that a team would want to give a very long term deal on.

My opinion is that if we want to sign Lindgren to like a 5 year deal, it will cost 5.5-6.

To me, this is a most unusual off season. In years past, I had a definitive checklist of things that I thought needed to be done. That included adds and subtractions. This year, it’s not so easy.

I’m ambivalent about the coaching change. I liked Gallant and his easy going style. I don’t buy the argument that we needed tougher practices. That’s not what the modern athlete typically says. As for tactics, I thought his system was fine and he made appropriate changes. Some of the amateur coaches here tend to overthink things. Gallant was reasonably responsive to what was happening on the ice. All of the strategic changes in the world don’t change how the players are performIng.

I thought Brooks put it well…Laviolette is a competent professional coach. As uninspiring as the choice seems, that is true.

So now what?

Well, given the constraints of the cap, any major changes depends on how they evaluate their own significant players. Are they OK with Lafreniere or is it possible he is moved? Would they trade Chytil? Can they make a fair deal with Miller? Do they see Schneider as a future building block or an overrated young player? Could they force an (expensive) move with a piece of the veteran core? And on and on.

I have my own evaluations but I’m not ready to go full Vegas and trade too many young players for veterans. The proven core is starting to age. Some young players have to step up and carry the flag. Sooner rather than later.

Drury is clearly on the hot seat this year and beyond. He has to make the decisions I outlined above. I’m sure he already knows where he wants to go.

He better be right.

I'm guessing we ride this year with largely the same again. Cap should open up more after this year, and it also draws close to end of some NMCs.

 

[Barnaby]

Julien Gauhtier had all the size and speed in the world, didn't make him a consistent nhl player

That’s such an awful argument. If you can’t see it, then I can’t help you. I can’t explain it any clearer.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Laviolette getting hired told me everything about Drury's plans for the next couple of years. No significant trades or buyouts are going to happen and the heavy furniture isn't going to be moved until NMC's turn into NTC's. Laviolette was brought in to win with this group. The next significant retool is going to be up to the next GM.

 

[bbny]

Trade for Karlsson? Sign Kessel?

Laviolette getting hired told me everything about Drury's plans for the next couple of years. No significant trades or buyouts are going to happen and the heavy furniture isn't going to be moved until NMC's turn into NTC's. Laviolette was brought in to win with this group. The next significant retool is going to be up to the next GM.

Vanilla hire by a vanilla GM for a vanilla team.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

My opinion is that if we want to sign Lindgren to like a 5 year deal, it will cost 5.5-6.

4 years 4.75M per

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

That ship has sailed. We just basically played an entire season without enough players.

I don't understand what this means. Clearly it was dumb dumb that the Rangers did it. It's probably one of the reasons that Ramsey was let go.

You don't go into the season without enough cap space for players two years in row. Drury would have some real hubris if he did that again (he won't).

Trade for Karlsson? Sign Kessel?

Vanilla hire by a vanilla GM for a vanilla team.

Kessel wouldn't be bad for depth. But there's a lot of hubris.

 

[Machinehead]

I don't understand what this means. Clearly it was dumb dumb that the Rangers did it. It's probably one of the reasons that Ramsey was let go.

You don't go into the season without enough cap space for players two years in row. Drury would have some real hubris if he did that again (he won't).



Kessel wouldn't be bad for depth. But there's a lot of hubris.

I mean, I'd rather have Erik Karlsson than be super sure we can play three 4th liners in a February game against the Ducks.

If you're forced into a cap situation like this, yes, you should cut out having 18 players before you cut out having good players.

It's not hubris, it makes objective value sense.

With where this league is at, we've only seen the tip of the iceberg on 18 being a negotiable roster standard.

 

[Machinehead]

Trade for Karlsson? Sign Kessel?

I just like 1) scoring goals and 2) getting for $900k what GM's would pay $5m for if the guy "looked" more like a hockey player.

Finding players overlooked for dumb reasons is the best way to approach free agency.