Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

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Hopefully Miller is that player. And perhaps a steadier Lindgren helps improve Trouba's game?
KAM should be that guy. Need to upgrade Lindgren long term. I like Lindgren. Do not know if I'd commit 5M to him.

Something possibly like Lindgren+? for Fowler w/retention

Karlsson is getting moved
Goodrow, Schneider++? for Karlsson with retention

Miller - Fox
Lindgren - Karlsson
Jones - Trouba
never gonna happen and I don't trust him. Lets forget the cost for now..... he will break down as soon as he gets here.
 
Lindgren + for Fowler @ 50%
Goodrow moved to highest bidder or bought out
Sign 1 or 2 of Motte, Engvall, Hathaway, Acciari or Blueger
Let Cuylle and Othmann get a shot

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Kreider - Tro - Engvall would technically be our 'checking/matchup' line
 
To me, this is a most unusual off season. In years past, I had a definitive checklist of things that I thought needed to be done. That included adds and subtractions. This year, it’s not so easy.

I’m ambivalent about the coaching change. I liked Gallant and his easy going style. I don’t buy the argument that we needed tougher practices. That’s not what the modern athlete typically says. As for tactics, I thought his system was fine and he made appropriate changes. Some of the amateur coaches here tend to overthink things. Gallant was reasonably responsive to what was happening on the ice. All of the strategic changes in the world don’t change how the players are performIng.

I thought Brooks put it well…Laviolette is a competent professional coach. As uninspiring as the choice seems, that is true.

So now what?

Well, given the constraints of the cap, any major changes depends on how they evaluate their own significant players. Are they OK with Lafreniere or is it possible he is moved? Would they trade Chytil? Can they make a fair deal with Miller? Do they see Schneider as a future building block or an overrated young player? Could they force an (expensive) move with a piece of the veteran core? And on and on.

I have my own evaluations but I’m not ready to go full Vegas and trade too many young players for veterans. The proven core is starting to age. Some young players have to step up and carry the flag. Sooner rather than later.

Drury is clearly on the hot seat this year and beyond. He has to make the decisions I outlined above. I’m sure he already knows where he wants to go.

He better be right.
Agreed. People stake a lot on what Hank says. The team didn't adapt, it really wasn't Gallant. Not perfect, but unnecessary change.

This isn't the team Hank knows... when he played, guys like Panarin and Kreider went to the corners.
 
What is really interesting about Engvall is a few things:
1) His age. He's 27 (and he just turned 27 on 5/31)
2) His skating and ability to retrieve pucks
3) His 5v5 point rate totals
4) His size, he's 6'5


He had 30 points in 76 games this past season with 2.0 p/60 @ 5v5. Here are some other guys who have been mentioned in terms of point rate metrics last year @ 5v5 only:

Fast = 1.5 p/60
Comtois = 1.3 p/60
Foligno = 2.0 p/60
Wheeler = 2.0 p/60
Leivo = 1.7 p/60


His CF% is also solid @ 5v5, which was +2.8

Fast = -0.1
Comtois = +0.2
Foligno = -4.9
Wheeler = +1.8
Levio = +8.2


He's a very good 3rd line winger with size


People are going to lambast this next part but looking at pure numbers and what they provide, a guy who would actually look pretty good on this teams 4th line, especially if they can train him to PK, is Jesse Pulujaarvi.

16 points in 75 games played this past year
139 hits in those 75 games
+1.3 CF% @ 5v5 between Carolina and Edmonton
6'5 210+ lbs, very good skater
He's probably looking for a 'show-me' contract. If he stinks, just demote him.
 
Isn’t that the opposite? Cap hits are usually lower when the deal is longer. If Lindgren takes a shorter deal the cap number would be higher.

I was under the impression that 8 years on a contract that goes to that age would bring the cap hit down, not up
Often it does, but it really depends on the age of the player and how many UFA years are being bought. A player that is 4 years from UFA status who signs for 8 years will almost certainly have a higher AAV than if he signed for 5 years.

Lindgren will be 26 when his next contract starts. An 8 year deal would take him to 34, so he is in that range where adding more years would likely reduce the AAV, but it might not be a significant difference.
 
Another guy who may be inexpensive but exactly what the team could use is Max Comtois. He's a 25 year old with a couple of down seasons but he plays a fiery style. 19 points in 64 games last year with 76 PIM's.

Does he play RW as well? I always liked him as a player. Another LW unless Vesey moves to RW?

Lindgren + for Fowler @ 50%
Goodrow moved to highest bidder or bought out
Sign 1 or 2 of Motte, Engvall, Hathaway, Acciari or Blueger
Let Cuylle and Othmann get a shot

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Kreider - Tro - Engvall would technically be our 'checking/matchup' line


Obsession with Motte needs to stop. He is not good.
 
I'd offer Haula like 2.2 max... he'd do well with Panarin, IMO, and if not, put him anywhere on anoy line. Everyone seems to like small, fast PKers made of glass... I'd also look at Watson, Erne, Nieto, durable guys. Bonino too. Motte is almost a lock to miss 20+ games.
 
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Motte and Vesey are fine players. The problem with the 4th line is that Goodrow is not a center.
 
Who plays on the PP?

This team doesn’t need Karlsson. We have Fox who is a younger, better player all around.
Karlsson is the better skater, and I don't think having one great offensive defenseman means we can run a bunch of cavemen to go with him because we already have the offensive defenseman. It's 2023. One of our biggest problems last season was the lack of mobility from the back end, their lack of puck moving ability & generating offense. So Karlsson wouldn't be a move for the PP, it would be to make our defense more mobile and talented at moving the puck
 
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Karlsson is getting moved
Goodrow, Schneider++? for Karlsson with retention

Miller - Fox
Lindgren - Karlsson
Jones - Trouba
prob not doable but if it were
would be
some combo of

Lindgren, Jones, retained Trouba, + + +
for
retained Karlson

I saw Zac Jone's AHL card earlier in this thread, can anyone pull Scanlin's? Based on reports he was the Pack's best overall d-man. I'm curious if we are all underselling his opportunity to snag a spot
whether or not he is ready now, he and Robbie are close enuf to start, even w/growing pains

gotta think ahead,
gotta not be afraid to go one step behind to go 2+ steps forward

Sell high on Lindgren, repurpose Jones
 
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Karlsson is the better skater, and I don't think having one great offensive defenseman means we can run a bunch of cavemen to go with him because we already have the offensive defenseman. It's 2023. One of our biggest problems last season was the lack of mobility from the back end, their lack of puck moving ability & generating offense. So Karlsson wouldn't be a move for the PP, it would be to make our defense more mobile and talented at moving the puck
What is this "we" and "our" talk? I'm sure Traktor has an interesting offseason ahead. Good luck.
 
I’d rather sell high on the spitter from Minnesota. Get rid of Miller


If someone offered top 5 pick for Miller, hard to not consider that.

99.999999% of the world got over the spitting thing. If that's the worst he ever does, who cares. We've seen guys in the NHL and with this organization literally get caught doing drugs with prostitutes.

I mean half this fan base champions Mr. Offsides Sean Avery and he did far worse.

Once again, the Rangers D without Miller is somewhere between sloth and snail. Not to mention his offense has progressed every year and he plays 20+ hard minutes.
 
Don't know if it actually works, but Karlsson is the best crazy idea @EdJovanovski ever had.

We need PMD and we have an elite defensive LHD to put him with.

It's probably pie in the sky but I would do it. You'd be crazy not to.
 
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