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Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

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duhmetreE said:
Engvall vs Hathawy and Motte

what would be a better use of cap$?

I think Engvall has sleeper potential. Late bloomer that already has good metrics. He could be a steal if that uptick in production comes

I'd rather sign Engvall and use Cuylle/Brodz/whoever at league minimum
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In this instance, it's Engvall. But if the option was, say, Engvall versus Fast + Acciari, I may lean towards the latter
 
New coaches generally get a wish list of sorts, consisting of some new players who they'd like to see brought in year 1. Gallant got Reaves, and probably had a significant voice in acquiring Goodrow.

The questions are who is on Laviolette's wish list, and how will Drury open the cap space to accommodate some of it, because I don't see Drury sitting on his hands doing nothing for his new coach. Barring a surprise trade of someone near the top of the roster, Goodrow is about the only realistic and readily available way to free up the necessary wiggle room.
 
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bbny said:
New coaches generally get a wish list of sorts, consisting of some new players who they'd like to see brought in year 1. Gallant got Reaves, and probably had a significant voice in acquiring Goodrow.

The questions are who is on Laviolette's wish list, and how will Drury open the cap space to accommodate some of it, because I don't see Drury sitting on his hands doing nothing for his new coach. Barring a surprise trade of someone near the top of the roster, Goodrow is about the only realistic and readily available way to free up the necessary wiggle room.
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I think Goodrow was strictly a Drury move. That was when we were looking to add grit after the Wilson incident, and Goodrow just won a cup and looked amazing during the playoff run so Drury overpaid to get him here.
 
According to Daily Faceoff president and senior insider Frank Seravalli, the Drury regime is gauging interest in Goodrow and could be willing to move him in order to create some cap flexibility.

He also goes on to say he doesn’t think a buyout will happen. Maybe Drury knows he can move him?

something has to give tbh
 
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McRanger92 said:
He outproduced every player we have discussed replacing him with and was good enough to be an important player for 2 Cup teams. He clearly isnt a center but we've seen what he can do within a structure with Tampa and maybe Peca can get the whole team to improve on faceoffs. And so what if Vesey is better, its not an either or proposition. Goodrow's contract isn't precluding the team from making any significant improvement this year. We'd just be paying 2 bottom 6 players UFA contracts instead of 1.



Lack of cap space leaguewide more than the player's ability or reputation I would say
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What he did with Tampa was irrelevant. It's probably the best third line since the lockout on a cup team and he was by far the worst player on it.

Him being bad at center actually really hurts his value since that was a big part of signing him but that's just me I guess.

He's produced as a ranger, i'll certainly give him that, but he's also been the worst defensively he's ever been here and he's very mediocre on the PK. Vesey is elite defensively (yeah I said it) and on the PK. Goodrow makes a lot of money to not be good at the things we want him to be good at.

It's about perception I guess but we signed him because he was kinda sorta good at things the Rangers collectively were bad at. That's no longer the case and to me he's a waste of (cap)space (respectfully).
 
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bhamill said:
NOPE. That is a ridiculous payment. Guarantee it wont happen. I'll venmo you the amount of a decent bottle of whiskey if we add a second to Goodrow to get rid of him. And I'm not talking some expanded transaction where a 2nd and Goodrow are going in a hockey, not cap based trade. The only year where his 3.6 cap hit matters is 23-24. After that the cap jump makes it moot. NYR can get through this year with him and next year his cap isn't an issue, can buy him out, or trade him at the TDL to a taem that needs what he brings and his cap hit is pro rated. There is no way in HELL we use a 2nd to get rid of him.
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I don’t think they will give a 2nd to trade him either, which is why he will be a Ranger this year. If you had 4 million eating a hole in your pocket (which most teams don’t) would you spend it on a slow 4th liner, or a goal scorer, top 4 dman or Goalie to enhance your playoff chances?
 
kyk1827 said:
I hope youre right. But remember he has a 15 team NTC as well. So it’s not like the whole league is open for trading goodrow to.

Im not sure who the prospective Trade partners would be for him. Ottawa seems like they could use a guy like him but will he go there? Buffalo seems like a team that could use a guy like him. But who knows.
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I could see Florida as well. Their 4th line idiots spending half the game in the penalty box for stupid penalties cost them the SC. At least Goodrow has brains and leadership qualities.
 
NYR Viper said:
Where is it written that Winnipeg had some toxic locker room? I keep seeing it written here but they have had quite a few good young players added to their team over the years who have had success. Are we talking about the fact that Winnipeg hasn't won anything? Because that could be said about a lot of players. It's not like they are a big market team either

Is it Laine who many people in the league have stated needs to take the game more seriously?

I have seen it many times stated that Wheeler is a tireless worker and someone who is a gym rat leading by example. So I'm not understanding the accusations on Wheeler in particular unless there are specific claims against him personally.
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After Laine was traded, Scheifele publicly apologized to him saying the team let him down and didn’t treat him as nice as they should have.
 
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Guyute said:
Of all the pipe dream offseason trades for a big name player, the only one that interests me is PLD if we don't have to give up a fortune for him and he agrees to a reasonable extension (8 years, $8 million AAV). He's only 25 so it would be a deal for both the short and long term. He also has solid possession numbers and a good track record with Panarin. Maybe even the French connection can get Lafreniere going.

Not sure how we could get it to fit under the cap.
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Give me the big, physical center to grind down Hughes to a pulp over the next 8 years
 
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kyk1827 said:
Likely will have to tag a 2nd with him due to the fact he has 4 years of term left. If it was just 1 year youd probably get value back
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I'm not expecting much value back but I think the idea that he's an anchor contract is an idea limited to fans. He had a bad post-season, sure, but throw him on the list with pretty much everyone other than Igor at that point.
 
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Guyute said:
Give me the big, physical center to grind down Hughes to a pulp over the next 8 years
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He’s not a ufa, and he’s probably looking for 7-8 million at minimum.
You’d need to at minimum move one of Chytil or trocheck.
So you go from spending under 10m for your 2c/3c to spending 12m
He’s also not that much better in terms of production than Chytil.

That being said, this would the quintessential rangers move. But it would ruin our current depth.
 
IDvsEGO said:
Wasnt wheeler the captain?
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I mean, sure, but is he supposed to control all of the other adults in the room from acting like children? Perhaps Laine was just a different type of guy and he didn't fit in with the group?

I guess where I am going with this is, with the way people are shitting on him, you would think this was a Toews situation or worse.
 
NYR Viper said:
I mean, sure, but is he supposed to control all of the other adults in the room from acting like children? Perhaps Laine was just a different type of guy and he didn't fit in with the group?

I guess where I am going with this is, with the way people are shitting on him, you would think this was a Toews situation or worse.
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Id say it’s the captains job to make sure a new young player who’s a part of the room doesn’t feel ostracized.
There’s not fitting in with a group and then there’s what’s reported as a toxic locker room. Toxic implies(not confirmed but implies) bullying.
 
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thethirdhockeyman91 said:
Speaking of Blake wheeler, he would be a good pickup ona short term deal if winnipeg buys him out .
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No, he wouldn't.

NYR Viper said:
I mean, sure, but is he supposed to control all of the other adults in the room from acting like children? Perhaps Laine was just a different type of guy and he didn't fit in with the group?

I guess where I am going with this is, with the way people are shitting on him, you would think this was a Toews situation or worse.
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Compare that to all the reports about how Trouba's approaching things as captain, and how the Rangers leadership corps works in the room. Maybe you'll see how a player leadership group should actually function
 
I like the age/size of Dubois tbh but production wise he’s been Trocheck and he’s asking for 3-4M more. Now yeah it would be nice since Chytil is the only young center but he obviously would have to go the other way and if he improves 10-15 points he’s at Dubois production for 4.4M

There’s really no risk if Wheeler is bought out on a 1 year deal. That seems to be what people think he’ll get if bought out. At worst he can play 3RW at best 1/2RW
 
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