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Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

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Want no part of Wheeler here.

Would've been open to OEL cheap until the Jones extension.

He has to be given the spot and at least a half season to make the job his for good.
 
EdJovanovski said:
Not at all, it’s always the positive version (like goals against would be inverted, so least goals against) red always indicates the bad number, so blocks is the only one he scored very poorly in. Though when your teams controlling play you’d tend to not have many, unless they’re somehow accounting for that
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Nice. So basically he was elite in hartford. Matches the eye test from the 15 or so hfd games i watched this year
 
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Zac Jones is very good at the things the Rangers are very bad at, but they clearly don’t want to play him with Schneider. Does he have a path for minutes then? If Laviolette trying to break Fox and Lindgren up? A lot of questions that need to be answered
 
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RangerBoy said:
There will be so many depth players available. The cap will be flat. Bettman said a $1M increase . Marty Walsh was on a podcast with Craig Custance of The Athletic last week. Walsh said the NHL and NHLPA will meet after the season is over to count the revenue. Walsh didn't say this but there could be room to raise the cap by $1.5M to $2M without touching escrow. Elliotte Friedman has reported that scenario. The players will still owe $70M. $1.5M to $2M in better than $1M. I heard Chris Johnston last night say it would be a $1M increase.

Keeping Goodrow is tough math. Pay Lafreniere. $2.5M-$3M. Pay Miller $4M. Dobson contract. The Rangers need to fill out the roster. Moving Lafreniere to RW solves many issues. The Rangers can find players to play on the 3rd and 4th lines on cheaper contracts than they can find a winger to play in the top 6.

Add depth players at forward. The Rangers need another defenseman. Adding another defenseman is a primary need.

The Rangers could pay two players with Goodrow's money. They could pay three players with Goodrow's money.

Adding at the deadline better not be adding 4 new players assuming the Rangers have the accrued cap space.


Ryan got $900,000. He didn't break the bank.


How does the money work? Show us.

The buyout option saves an extra $200,000 for this coming season.
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That's why I wanted Ryan. Bang for buck production to replace Goodrow and center two kids (ideally Cullye and Edstrom).

I'm hoping the Rangers can find someone in that mold if they're able to trade Goodrow.
 
LaffyTaffyNYR said:
I like the idea of Wheeler at 2M+ if he’s bought out. Plays RW which we need, big, can skate, puts up points but yes he’s a lite old
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I'm fine with Wheeler in like a Fedotenko or Tomas Sandstrom on Detroit/Keith Tkachuk his final stint in STL kind of role.

But in his contract he has to rent out his basement and be glued to Cullye/Othmann/Edstrom.
 
Savant said:
Zac Jones is very good at the things the Rangers are very bad at, but they clearly don’t want to play him with Schneider. Does he have a path for minutes then? If Laviolette trying to break Fox and Lindgren up? A lot of questions that need to be answered
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Breaking up Fox and Lindgren is the key to “fixing” the defense. Everyone loves the pair but Fox will elevate whoever he plays with. Lindgren is good enough to cover the deficiencies of whoever he plays with down the lineup. My ideal starting point is:

Miller-Fox (play these guys A LOT)
Jones-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider

You’ve got mobility on every pair. Jones and Trouba really competent each other’s weaknesses. The third pair goes from league worst to above average which is all you care about in a third pair.
 
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jerseyjinx94 said:
Not that big of a deal, but Drury deserves credit getting Jones signed for 2 years at $812.5K. I thought for sure a 1 year deal closer to a mill. It’s a good move, he deserves credit
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This is a stretch. Over the last 2 seasons, Jones played 28 games in the NHL and 106 games in the AHL. Players with that kind of resume don't get 1 mil. Drury didn't get him at a discount.
kyk1827 said:
Othmann is better served doing a year in hartford than playing 4th line.

Also, dont sleep on matthew robertson as 6D
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The Rangers seem to be sleeping pretty heavily on him. He played in 1 preseason game this past year (game 2 of 6) and was sent down shortly after, so he wasn't even an option to play in games 3-6.

In 2 years, he hasn't gotten a sniff of the NHL. People have reported improvement in his game, but he ended the year injured. Maybe he'll surprise me and make the team out of camp, but it seems unlikely.
 
A lot of the D decisions really depends on what Kevin McCarthy will want to do (he's most likely going to be joining the staff in a few days especially with Gord Murphy being let go).

Is he going to go with the conservative safe approach and use Harpur, or will he want to work with Jones and develop his strengths? What does he see in Robertson?

Avery16 said:
Do you miss Skjei too?
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He was and is such a bird brains player.
 
Synergy27 said:
Breaking up Fox and Lindgren is the key to “fixing” the defense. Everyone loves the pair but Fox will elevate whoever he plays with. Lindgren is good enough to cover the deficiencies of whoever he plays with down the lineup. My ideal starting point is:

Miller-Fox (play these guys A LOT)
Jones-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider

You’ve got mobility on every pair. Jones and Trouba really competent each other’s weaknesses. The third pair goes from league worst to above average which is all you care about in a third pair.
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I don’t know if I agree with that. But we’ve never seen how they are apart from each other from a decent sample size when both were in the lineup
 
Synergy27 said:
Breaking up Fox and Lindgren is the key to “fixing” the defense. Everyone loves the pair but Fox will elevate whoever he plays with. Lindgren is good enough to cover the deficiencies of whoever he plays with down the lineup. My ideal starting point is:

Miller-Fox (play these guys A LOT)
Jones-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider

You’ve got mobility on every pair. Jones and Trouba really competent each other’s weaknesses. The third pair goes from league worst to above average which is all you care about in a third pair.
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Love those pairs - they make too much sense so you just know Lavy will start with:

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
Harpur Schneider
 
I have said this before and I’ll just keep saying it, this is NOT the season to rush a young player in to the NHL. Especially if they are going to be playing a lower line role. There are going to be good veteran players making $1m or less available.

If you gave me the option of signing Erne or Foligno for an extra $300k each which pushed Cuylle and Othmann dow to the AHL, at least to start the season that’s the correct route. If the young players push and make that spot their own then great. But if they can improve and play big minutes in the AHL for a season than this is then year to do it.

In terms of production, who do we think provides a more consistent impact this season? Foligno or Cuylle? How about someone like Motte/Erne over Edstrom? The differences in their contracts are likely to be minimal. And we’re talking about 4th or peripheral 3rd line roles with limited minutes.

Defense is a different story. The veteran d-men that are set to available is lacking. Beyond someone like Holden or OEL, the pickings are slim. That and Jones is 22, soon to be 23. It’s time and he provides something very unique that they can’t add in UFA.

That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t sign a good veteran 6/7 in UFA though. Harpur needs to be a #8
 
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NYR Viper said:
I have said this before and I’ll just keep saying it, this is NOT the season to rush a young player in to the NHL. Especially if they are going to be playing a lower line role. There are going to be good veteran players making $1m or less available.

If you gave me the option of signing Erne or Foligno for an extra $300k each which pushed Cuylle and Othmann dow to the AHL, at least to start the season that’s the correct route. If the young players push and make that spot their own then great. But if they can improve and play big minutes in the AHL for a season than this is then year to do it.

In terms of production, who do we think provides a more consistent impact this season? Foligno or Cuylle? How about someone like Motte/Erne over Edstrom? The differences in their contracts are likely to be minimal. And we’re talking about 4th or peripheral 3rd line roles with limited minutes.
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If Cullye/Edstrom/Othmann are up, they should all be PKing, and eventually have protect the lead assignments.

Bang for buck, spend the money elsewhere.

If The Rangers go for a name or a potential higher end UFA, that's basically their one "get out of jail free" UFA card this summer with or without Goodrow gone.

I'm more a fan of substance over style (Grant, Blueger, Nieto) than looking to make a splash with an O'Reily.

Their just are too many roster spots and not enough money for proven players.
 
Savant said:
Zac Jones is very good at the things the Rangers are very bad at, but they clearly don’t want to play him with Schneider. Does he have a path for minutes then? If Laviolette trying to break Fox and Lindgren up? A lot of questions that need to be answered
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Gallant sure didn't. It's possible he gets a look there under a new regime.

Synergy27 said:
Breaking up Fox and Lindgren is the key to “fixing” the defense. Everyone loves the pair but Fox will elevate whoever he plays with. Lindgren is good enough to cover the deficiencies of whoever he plays with down the lineup. My ideal starting point is:

Miller-Fox (play these guys A LOT)
Jones-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider

You’ve got mobility on every pair. Jones and Trouba really competent each other’s weaknesses. The third pair goes from league worst to above average which is all you care about in a third pair.
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Would love to see this. Especially if they actually committed to playing Trouba less.
 
I've never really seen it with OEL. He's not a goal scorer anymore and is a career -128. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt playing for bad teams, however he never really had one year he was plus?

Generally I think staying away from AZ players is for the best. I hated the Yandle trade, didn't care for Derek Morris. Sjostrom is really the only guy I've ever liked the Rangers got from that team while in Arizona.
 
Wheeler has captained a team that in back to back years had their coach quit midseason because he couldn’t get through to them (Stanley Cup runner up this year lol) and a well respected coach in Bowness call them out again, showing they learned nothing. He’s a terrible suggestion

He’s also a career loser and underachiever with some stacked Winnipeg teams
 
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