Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[duhmetreE]

A few interesting tidbits for Larry's new article.

Suggest the league will be at 34 teams soonish. Salt Lake City and Atlanta.

McDavid to Broadway mentioned a couple times...

Interesting point... If you could clear all your cap room, what team would keep their team intact, which would settle for a 're-do'. Premise was expansion teams get a fresh slate of cap

NHL wants players to cover escrow debt from COVID pandemic

Players are always reaching into their own pockets under the hard-cap system.

nypost.com

 

[RangersFan1994]

Sure but if he signs at 1 million why not take him back?

Why have another guy with speed pk and nothing else back on the team? Rather sign someone more useful like Hathaway. Motte gets hurt at least once or twice a year. Rather have Trivigno or Edstrom given a chance. RW depth is needed. How does Motte help? Overrated. Hathaway is more of a need.

 

[Vitto79]

Why have another guy with speed pk and nothing else back on the team? Rather sign someone more useful like Hathaway. Motte gets hurt at least once or twice a year. Rather have Trivigno or Edstrom given a chance. RW depth is needed. How does Motte help? Overrated. Hathaway is more of a need.

Sure Hathaway is a target like I said but he’s costing a bit more

RW should be Kakko, Laf in top 6. You just stick with that and make it work or the teams not going anywhere.

They don’t have enough space to get a ufa RW of significant value

If a Garland gets bought out and can be had for 1 mil sure but if not it’s Goodrow staying or Vesey or an Othmaan eventually

 

[NYR Viper]

Jack Drury for Jones would be a really good move for the Rangers. Similar idea to Gauthier for Keane from a few years back. Drury could push Trochek or Chytil to wing and which solves a few problems for the team, mainly the need for a top-6 RW and the desire for any team to start the season with 5C’s on the roster.


Who has the better buyout, Garland or Goodrow? It’s possible Vancouver would prefer to buyout Goodrow based on the cap space gained for 2 seasons which gets them past some of their cap issues. Or the Garland market may be so slim that a 3-way deal sending Garland with some money retained, say $500k, to the Rangers, Goodrow somewhere like SJ and some late pick back to Vancouver may work.

To NYR
Garland @$4m cap hit

To SJ
Goodrow

To Vancouver
5th + 6th + 7th


Edith the trade for Drury, that leaves the team with:

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kaako
Panarin-Trochek-Chytil
Kreider-Drury-Garland
Motte-Acciari-Vesey


Sign Motte, Acciari and a veteran d-man for cheap

Miller-Fox
Scanlin-Trouba
Lingers-Schneider

 

[RangersFan1994]

Jack Drury for Jones would be a really good move for the Rangers. Similar idea to Gauthier for Keane from a few years back. Drury could push Trochek or Chytil to wing and which solves a few problems for the team, mainly the need for a top-6 RW and the desire for any team to start the season with 5C’s on the roster.


Who has the better buyout, Garland or Goodrow? It’s possible Vancouver would prefer to buyout Goodrow based on the cap space gained for 2 seasons which gets them past some of their cap issues. Or the Garland market may be so slim that a 3-way deal sending Garland with some money retained, say $500k, to the Rangers, Goodrow somewhere like SJ and some late pick back to Vancouver may work.

To NYR
Garland @$4m cap hit

To SJ
Goodrow

To Vancouver
5th + 6th + 7th


Edith the trade for Drury, that leaves the team with:

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kaako
Panarin-Trochek-Chytil
Kreider-Drury-Garland
Motte-Acciari-Vesey


Sign Motte, Acciari and a veteran d-man for cheap

Miller-Fox
Scanlin-Trouba
Lingers-Schneider

Id do Jones for Drury in a heartbeat. I’d rather give Edstrom or someone with an NHL future a chance to make the team over Tyler Motte. What is the obsession with a speedy 4th liner that can PK cant score. Yea lets sign him. Rather have Trivigno Edstrom or someone that might have an Rangers future. What is next. To bring back Kevin Rooney and trade Goodrow for him. I’d rather bring back Jesper Fast over Tyler Motte. Fast actually fills a need but they cant afford him.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I mean, pretty much every player lives in the city or Greenwich, or both. I highly doubt their wives don’t like living in the burbs. Do you think players signing in fl live in the heart of Miami or in the burbs of Miami in a massive house? This is weirdest narrative I’ve heard. Esp when nyr just had two star players who forced their teams to be traded to nyr. Sure not every player wants to come here or some have multiple places they’re ok to signing but in FA panarin only wanted to come here and took (marginally) less to play for nyr vs nyi. And whatever you may think of him now, he was an absolute star when he signed.

Some like to be relatively close to the training facility like 20 minutes away. Living in CT has other tax implications.

Is the second star Kane? That was a trade deadline rental. Good shot he's not back.

There will always be players who want to come to a various city. Part of my thesis is the "New York Lore" doesn't exist anymore in the age of social media. What is the lore anymore? Because Frank Sinatra sang a song? The whole bright lights, big city thing doesn't mean what it did back in the day.

 

[Crease]

PLD is from Quebec
NYC is still the best place to live if youre a succesful guy in your 20s

I don’t think living in NYC is the attraction fans think it is.

 

[Vitto79]

Id do Jones for Drury in a heartbeat. I’d rather give Edstrom or someone with an NHL future a chance to make the team over Tyler Motte. What is the obsession with a speedy 4th liner that can PK cant score. Yea lets sign him. Rather have Trivigno Edstrom or someone that might have an Rangers future. What is next. To bring back Kevin Rooney and trade Goodrow for him. I’d rather bring back Jesper Fast over Tyler Motte. Fast actually fills a need but they cant afford him.

Reality is Trivingo and Edstrom are long shots to make the team even 2 yrs from now.

Cuylee is more realistic

Going to need fillers this year
Plus they have AHL options. Build depth

I’ve said it before but that’s what you do on D too . Assume Harpur clears and is the 8th D

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

A few interesting tidbits for Larry's new article.

Suggest the league will be at 34 teams soonish. Salt Lake City and Atlanta.

McDavid to Broadway mentioned a couple times...

Interesting point... If you could clear all your cap room, what team would keep their team intact, which would settle for a 're-do'. Premise was expansion teams get a fresh slate of cap

NHL wants players to cover escrow debt from COVID pandemic

Players are always reaching into their own pockets under the hard-cap system.

nypost.com

The Arizona situation needs to be resolved before expansion can even be thought of. Unless the plan behind closed doors is if all else fails, Coyotes are in Houston.

Not a fan of 34 teams because the divisions are unbalanced. May as well go back to two conferences and top eight get in or the radical 1-16, 2-15, 3-14 playoff format which was around in the late 70s/early 80s when the WHA teams were integrated and Atlanta moving to Calgary needed to be addressed (plus the Colorado and Cleveland situations).

It's all but guaranteed one of McDavid/Matthews/Marner/Nylander make their way to Broadway.

 

[UnSandvich]

Lol Arthur Staple’s new article suggests:

Garland for Lafreniere

Konecny for Lafreniere OR Schneider

Arvidsson for a 1st and Sykora OR for Lafreniere

Othmann for Ross Colton

Any Rangers prospect (+ Goodrow + Lafreniere) for Cooley

2 of Miller, Schneider, Othmann for Debrincat

Lafreniere for Scheifele

Chytil for Dubois

Good god. I can’t wait till the season starts. All those trades are horrendous

It's pretty obvious that he's still an Islanders fan from his time on the beat there.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Reality is Trivingo and Edstrom are long shots to make the team even 2 yrs from now.

Cuylee is more realistic

Going to need fillers this year
Plus they have AHL options. Build depth

I’ve said it before but that’s what you do on D too . Assume Harpur clears and is the 8th D

I've talked about it a lot:

-Cullye basically has to pull a Summer 2017 Brendan Smith not to make the team

-Edstrom is a sleeper for this fall. He's physically more mature, already a great skater, and he had an "internship" this spring. If he's in a gym right now working on explosiveness he's going to get a really long look in camp. His skillset is very useful and needed.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

It's pretty obvious that he's still an Islanders fan from his time on the beat there.

Staple and Zipay were/are the trashiest of the beat writers.

Mollie and Vince are the best, although Mollie will occasionally have an overdramatic "meant to induce anger" article which is for the publication she works for (Larry will do this as well).

 

[RangersFan1994]

I've talked about it a lot:

-Cullye basically has to pull a Summer 2017 Brendan Smith not to make the team

-Edstrom is a sleeper for this fall. He's physically more mature, already a great skater, and he had an "internship" this spring. If he's in a gym right now working on explosiveness he's going to get a really long look in camp. His skillset is very useful and needed.

Cuylle should be given 3rd line time and some PP time in the NHL. I dont see him as a 4th liner. He scored 20+ goals in his 1st full season in the AHL. I would not mind Cuylle another year in the AHL and maybe gets 30 so by the the time one of Kakko or Lafy move up in the lineup, Cuylle has a spot. I feel if Cuylle is a 4th liner his skill set would be wasted. I see him as a Lawson Crouse type, instead of a Liam O’Brien 4th line goon..

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Why have another guy with speed pk and nothing else back on the team? Rather sign someone more useful like Hathaway. Motte gets hurt at least once or twice a year. Rather have Trivigno or Edstrom given a chance. RW depth is needed. How does Motte help? Overrated. Hathaway is more of a need.

Motte's fine however there's only so much cap and other positions that need to be filled like Goodrow's replacement for 4C. It also means Vesey is going to be in the top 9 until the TDL.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Motte's fine however there's only so much cap and other positions that need to be filled like Goodrow's replacement for 4C. It also means Vesey is going to be in the top 9 until the TDL.

If that is the case I rather have a young 4th liner learn on the job. Other teams have no issue doing this. Why cant the Rangers. Overpaying for 4th liners have to stop. Motte is not that good. Maybe the Rangers can find a player from another team for cheap like when they found a young Brian Boyle. Rangers need to make that type of trade. Motte is not that good.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Cuylle should be given 3rd line time and some PP time in the NHL. I dont see him as a 4th liner. He scored 20+ goals in his 1st full season in the AHL. I would not mind Cuylle another year in the AHL and maybe gets 30 so by the the time one of Kakko or Lafy move up in the lineup, Cuylle has a spot. I feel if Cuylle is a 4th liner his skill set would be wasted. I see him as a Lawson Crouse type, instead of a Liam O’Brien 4th line goon..

Haha everyone here knows my take on 4th line players.

Cullye starts on the 4th and gets added minutes as a PKer, protecting leads, even some PP time/move up if others are struggling. He's spent enough time in the AHL. Time to find out what he can do in the show.

If that is the case I rather have a young 4th liner learn on the job. Other teams have no issue doing this. Why cant the Rangers. Overpaying for 4th liners have to stop. Motte is not that good. Maybe the Rangers can find a player from another team for cheap like when they found a young Brian Boyle. Rangers need to make that type of trade. Motte is not that good.

That's why the 4th line IMHO if I was writing this story is a veteran center on a one year deal (Derek Ryan or Derek Grant) with Cullye and Edstrom. If Edstrom isn't ready then you can have a a Brodz/Bidh/Lockwood/depth signing start. Best case is Cullye shows he deserves top 9 time and it moves Vesey back down to the 4th.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I don’t think living in NYC is the attraction fans think it is.

Yeah, it's all reputation based from previous decades. No one can talk about the "perks" anymore without referencing nostalgia. This isn't the 80s when Pierre LaRouche or George McPhee were doing things with business, or the 90s where Dave Brown from the Giants was preparing for his post-NFL life.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

That’s actually not a terrible idea. I’m of the opinion they should give jones a real shot but I think Robertson is closer than people think and more of a prototype NHL defenseman with the size and skating. Jones for Drury would be pretty similar to the Keane for Goat trade a few years back.

Agreed. Robertson probably has a leg up on jones. Robertson was quite good in hfd this year. Tough hombre too.

Zac Jones for Jack Drury seems like a win-win deal for both

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

The Logan Cooley situation is an interesting one out in AZ. And makes you think theyre not gonna wanna lose him for nothing. Return wise they probably want a young-ish player already on an NHL contract. Chytil seems to make a lot of sense.

If they feel they cant sign him how are they gonna say no to a 23 year old Filip Chytil locked up for 4 years?

This then opens roughly another $3.5ish in cap space for us too. Curious to see if anything happens with AZ and the cooley situation at the draft

Say

To AZ: Chytil, #23 OA and Zac Jones

To NYR: Logan Cooley

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

What news has come out that Cooley doesn't want to sign with the Yotes?

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

The Logan Cooley situation is an interesting one out in AZ. And makes you think theyre not gonna wanna lose him for nothing. Return wise they probably want a young-ish player already on an NHL contract. Chytil seems to make a lot of sense.

If they feel they cant sign him how are they gonna say no to a 23 year old Filip Chytil locked up for 4 years?

This then opens roughly another $3.5ish in cap space for us too. Curious to see if anything happens with AZ and the cooley situation at the draft

Say

To AZ: Chytil, #23 OA and Zac Jones

To NYR: Logan Cooley

Chytil just signed a new contract. Rangers can't afford to be giving up first rounders left and right.

They don't have much draft capital as of now. And for those that argue that they'll mess up and go offboard or Ciaccao will screw up the prospect, this is the third draft for Drury. The jury is still out on him and Liles making picks. It starts this fall.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

What news has come out that Cooley doesn't want to sign with the Yotes?

I don't think there's been anything besides the fact that he hasn't signed yet.

I know there have been some superhuman efforts from the league to keep the team in Arizona, but it's very possible a move to another city gets announced or leaked midseason, which would make it the most toxic NHL situation in decades - anyone would want to avoid that.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Chytil just signed a new contract. Rangers can't afford to be giving up first rounders left and right.

They don't have much draft capital as of now. And for those that argue that they'll mess up and go offboard or Ciaccao will screw up the prospect, this is the third draft for Drury. The jury is still out on him and Liles making picks. It starts this fall.

If giving up a 1st in 2023 draft at #23 returns you the #3 overall in 2022 who people think couldve gone #1, you do it all day. Moving chytil is just to clear a slot for cooley to play and also opens 3.5mm in cap space.

Laff-mika-kakko
Panarin-cooley-fast
Kreider-trocheck-othmann
Cuylle-bjugstad-vesey

Lindgren-fox
Kandre-trouba
Robertson-schneider

 

[duhmetreE]

Id do Jones for Drury in a heartbeat. I’d rather give Edstrom or someone with an NHL future a chance to make the team over Tyler Motte. What is the obsession with a speedy 4th liner that can PK cant score. Yea lets sign him. Rather have Trivigno Edstrom or someone that might have an Rangers future. What is next. To bring back Kevin Rooney and trade Goodrow for him. I’d rather bring back Jesper Fast over Tyler Motte. Fast actually fills a need but they cant afford him.

If 4th liners could score they wouldn't be 4th liners

The Logan Cooley situation is an interesting one out in AZ. And makes you think theyre not gonna wanna lose him for nothing. Return wise they probably want a young-ish player already on an NHL contract. Chytil seems to make a lot of sense.

If they feel they cant sign him how are they gonna say no to a 23 year old Filip Chytil locked up for 4 years?

This then opens roughly another $3.5ish in cap space for us too. Curious to see if anything happens with AZ and the cooley situation at the draft

Say

To AZ: Chytil, #23 OA and Zac Jones

To NYR: Logan Cooley

This would be an Adam Fox 2.0 lottery for us if Cooley wants out.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

If giving up a 1st in 2023 draft at #23 returns you the #3 overall in 2022 who people think couldve gone #1, you do it all day. Moving chytil is just to clear a slot for cooley to play and also opens 3.5mm in cap space.

Laff-mika-kakko
Panarin-cooley-othmann
Kreider-trocheck-vesey
Cuylle-bjugstad-motte

Lindgren-fox
Kandre-trouba
Robertson-schneider

AZ will want more and other players to be included. That second line has the chance to implode or be a defensive mess.