Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[MrAlmost]

This is what some of us have been saying. I mean, I was pretty upset like the rest when we lost to the Devils, but it been some time now. The sky is not falling and I am not going to prescribe to the "Drury is the worst GM ever" stuff. Nor am I willing to feed the constant "Sather still runs the team" conspiracy theories.

We have some good prospects that play a particular style of game that we all want to see more of. Drury and his scouting staff has clearly prioritized the PITA player, something the Rangers have never done, so with these guys, along with Trivigno and Barbashev, we will likely become a tougher to play against team naturally.

I am sure the first thing that will be said is that they can't skate.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

This is what some of us have been saying. I mean, I was pretty upset like the rest when we lost to the Devils, but it been some time now. The sky is not falling and I am not going to prescribe to the "Drury is the worst GM ever" stuff. Nor am I willing to feed the constant "Sather still runs the team" conspiracy theories.

We have some good prospects that play a particular style of game that we all want to see more of. Drury and his scouting staff has clearly prioritized the PITA player, something the Rangers have never done, so with these guys, along with Trivigno and Barbashev, we will likely become a tougher to play against team naturally.

I am sure the first thing that will be said is that they can't skate.

Imagine if Othmann, Sykora, Berard and Cuylle end up with better NHL careers than Laf and Kakko

 

[NYR Viper]

Here's a couple of names who may be bought out and cheap vets. OEL and Suter. They may be decent options as 3LD's next to Schneider on 1 year deals

 

[SRHRangers]

This all day long.

Just give them the keys.

Berard gave me Callahan vibes when they won the WJC

 

[bigdog16]

This all day long.

Just give them the keys.

Berard gave me Callahan vibes when they won the WJC

Give the keys to three bottom 6 guys and a top 6 winger?

Definitely don't recommend that

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Just ran Goodrow’s buy out through the calculator, $275k per year. He’s a goner, nobody is taking on that 3.64 cap hit.

That would be amazing but its not true....buyout hit is much more than 275k/yr

 

[SRHRangers]

Give the keys to three bottom 6 guys and a top 6 winger?

Definitely don't recommend that

Better than hearing about overpaying the 45 bottom 6 players mentioned the last month in here.

 

[bigdog16]

Better than hearing about overpaying the 45 bottom 6 players mentioned the last month in here.

Lol, I agree there...

I think all of them should have an honest chance to make the team next year. Unfortunately, they won't. Id be shocked if any played an entire season in the NHL

 

[turcotte8]

That would be amazing but its not true....buyout hit is much more than 275k/yr

yeah it's higher

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

That would be amazing but its not true....buyout hit is much more than 275k/yr

Yeah I fat fingered it

 

[surlysailor]

yeah it's higher

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That wouldn’t have been so bad, esp with the cap going up. That 4th year is what basically kills it for me depending on where the cap will be by then. I think I would lean towards that option instead of adding a prospect or picks to trade him.

 

[NYR Viper]

This all day long.

Just give them the keys.

Berard gave me Callahan vibes when they won the WJC

I think that any signings need to have the correct term, but I don't see any of those guys playing in the NHL to start next season. Outside chance to Cuylle

 

[bhamill]

Nevermind Edstrom or long shot Rempe.

 

[surlysailor]

Does anyone think SJS would do a Labanc for Goodrow and small add as a deal? Maybe add a prospect like Jones(if he is not really in NYR plans for the future) to get them to retain? Goodrow started in SJ, they can easily afford his cap long term & he could be a good role model for their youth. Lebanc has been underwhelming for a few seasons there, often injured but a change of scenery might do him some good. If not it's a 1 year deal and NYR won't be committed to him. Also iirc he can play both lw & rw so he can slide right in on the 3rd line.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Does anyone think SJS would do a Labanc for Goodrow and small add as a deal? Maybe add a prospect like Jones(if he is not really in NYR plans for the future) to get them to retain? Goodrow started in SJ, they can easily afford his cap long term & he could be a good role model for their youth. Lebanc has been underwhelming for a few seasons there, often injured but a change of scenery might do him some good. If not it's a 1 year deal and NYR won't be committed to him. Also iirc he can play both lw & rw so he can slide right in on the 3rd line.

Why is San Jose adding a bottom 6 guy who’s only real value is playoff production , who didn’t produce in the playoffs, and has a hefty cap hit (they can easily afford it), when theyre not planning on making the playoffs in either 24 or 25. And why would goodrow go back to sj, I don’t see him waiving for them.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

The only problem with that is the Rangers will still overpay garbage to fill the bottom six even with these kids available.

 

[surlysailor]

Why is San Jose adding a bottom 6 guy who’s only real value is playoff production , who didn’t produce in the playoffs, and has a hefty cap hit (they can easily afford it), when theyre not planning on making the playoffs in either 24 or 25. And why would goodrow go back to sj, I don’t see him waiving for them.

It would be more of a mentor role for their youth, and getting a bigger role and more ice time. I can also see him being a Quinn guy. Quinn did love Blackwell and Good is a better version of that. Also who knows if sjs is on his 15 team list. He might have left them off compared to the Canadian teams, and other non playoff bound teams.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

so, Othmann plays with a remote control? Me too!

I'm off for it! Do bots have cap hits? That's the big question.

I guess we are going green!

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

He loved 5 seasons ago, pre-lifetime contract Panarin.

He would hate the current version.

The panarin takes here are insane haha. In his four seasons with nyr, he been well above a ppg player for us. Hes our best ufa signing of all time.

Can he be frustrating at times? Sure. But the insanity has to stop

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Agreed. NYR are a business, not a hockey team. They “win” by keeping fans and sponsors happy with big names like Nash and Panarin while always remaining marginally competitive. Remember when we thought they would actually rebuild? C’mon, Dolan wants more money.

Foolish take. See Knicks, New York. Further, hes a multi-billionaire, he doesnt really need the rangers to make him money. Dumb narrative lacking any merit

Imagine if Othmann, Sykora, Berard and Cuylle end up with better NHL careers than Laf and Kakko

There aint a soul here that wouldnt sign on the dotted line to have any of the above post 16G23A in year 3

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

I think that any signings need to have the correct term, but I don't see any of those guys playing in the NHL to start next season. Outside chance to Cuylle

Cuylle is a lock to be on the roster. With our cap situation there really isnt a choice

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The panarin takes here are insane haha. In his four seasons with nyr, he been well above a ppg player for us. Hes our best ufa signing of all time.

Can he be frustrating at times? Sure. But the insanity has to stop

He's declined production wise in each of his seasons here. If you think he's the same player he was in Columbus or even his first season here you're kidding yourself. Hes declining physically and his motivation isn't there anymore.

He can go pile up numbers and be a zero in the playoffs somewhere else.

 

[Synergy27]

The panarin takes here are insane haha. In his four seasons with nyr, he been well above a ppg player for us. Hes our best ufa signing of all time.

Can he be frustrating at times? Sure. But the insanity has to stop

Panarin has 20 points in 30 playoff games as a Ranger.

Over the past two playoffs, he has 8 points in 27 games at 5v5.

Over the past two playoffs, his xGF% in all situations (which means including the PP where he is still pretty good) is 48.5% (i.e., net negative). His HDCF% is at 45.5%.

At 5v5 those numbers drop to an astonishing 38.3% and 35.7% respectively.

At 5v5 in the playoffs, 65% of the high danger chances occur for the other team when Panarin is in the ice. That’s an insane number.

Connor McDavid’s numbers are 57.8 and 58.9%.

I admit that this next statement is somewhat of a stretch, but only somewhat.

At 5v5, Connor McDavid’s team has 58.9% of the high danger chances when he is on the ice (again playoff stats). The point of hockey is to score goals, and this is usually done by creating high danger chances.

When Panarin is on the ice, the other team, which has never had a player of McDavid’s caliber on it given Rangers opponents in the past two playoffs, produces high danger chances at a significantly higher rate than McDavid himself does (65% vs. 58%). Again, a stretch here, but you can argue that having Panarin on the ice at 5v5, turning the puck over the way he does, is essentially spotting the opponent a player/line that is better than McDavid at creating HDCF.

I could not care less that Bread is a PPG player in the regular season. He actively hurts the team in the playoffs and I don’t see how or why that changes moving forward.

You might want to think on which take is actually insane.

 

[LOFIN]

So basically, now there should not be any excuse for this organization not to develop Kakko and Lafreniere (and others). Surely you can afford to send a skill coach to Finland/Quebec to spend some time with these kids.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

He's declined production wise in each of his seasons here. If you think he's the same player he was in Columbus or even his first season here you're kidding yourself. Hes declining physically and his motivation isn't there anymore.

He can go pile up numbers and be a zero in the playoffs somewhere else.

His playoffs 2022 were great but still had 16 points in 20 games and quite literally won a series in OT of a game 7 haha.

Hes not gonna keep getting better but the fact remains, hes a top 20 player in the game, hasnt had a season less than ppg with us and is the best ufa signing in franchise history. Asinine takes on panarin here