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Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

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I'll retire to bed with this thought tonight.

We're witnessing a changing of the guard right before our eyes in the East. Pittsburgh and Washington's best days are behind them. Teams like Jersey, Buffalo, and Ottawa are on the upswing big time. They're going to be perennially in the playoffs starting next year for the next 5 years at least. Teams like Toronto and Tampa are still going to be very good and get in.

Where does that leave the Rangers? In the dreaded middle once again. They can really finish as well as 2nd next year or miss the playoffs and I wouldn't be surprised either way. Teams with speed like Buffalo and Ottawa (and Jersey and Toronto for that matter) are nightmare match ups for this roster.

What personnel and coaching changes is Drury going to make to fix this? I don't know about you guys, but I don't want another 3 years of first round, maybe 2nd round exits if they're lucky.

If this group ain't it, nuke it and bulld around a new core. This year's draft is a good place to start. Want Panarin, Trouba, Zibanejad, etc to waive their NMC's? Call them into the office all at the same time and tell them that you're putting out a letter like in 2017 tomorrow that you're tearing it down again because you weren't good enough and that the team doesn't expect to contend for a Cup for the next three years. They'll get their agents on their phones and give Drury their lists of teams they'd waive their NMC's for faster than they can order a pizza.
 
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You want to fix the team, you fix this.
 
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After thinking about it some more:

Turnovers
An unwillingness to get in front of the net and make a rookie goaltender's life more difficult
A very unFoxlike Fox in game 7
Miller needs to be more of a physical presence
Poor decision making/passing
Jones needs to be a thing next year for zone exits and I don't really care about 2nd/3rd pair.

And, the coach needs to go. This stacked lineup: 2 goals in 4 games in the 4 losses. Even if it wasn't his fault (it partially was, he's terrible at adjusting other than putting lines in a blender) he has to be sent packing to send a message to the souls that remain that this result isn't acceptable.

It's not the loss. It's the way we lost.
 
I said it once and a million times since: This team did not have the personnel to play Gallant's style game. Kane, Tarasenko, Panarin, even Zibanejad. The north-south, Carolina-style game doesn't fit this roster. Carolina has all-hungry guys that LOVE that style of game. We are playing archaic hockey with a strong offensive roster. No adjustments after game two by the gargoyle head coach. I'd kill for Ruff right now. What a job he did with that team in one year, and to think so many fans thought he was this team's issue lmao.
As far as a coach, I continue to say it: Let's keep disrespecting the only man to single-handedly deliver this team a Cup since WWII in Mark Messier. He said it after the first that there was no desperation in their game. No leadership from the coach and players. They cost themselves the first month playing that way, so they had to go into Newark for a game seven. If not Messier, then Q. If not Q, I don't know who. Drury has a year before Dolan tears up his contract too.
As far as players...I don't know if they have the guys, but they can't get them to buy into this style of game or what it is, but last night was a massive gut punch. I am still sick. Woke up at 5:40 and will be going until 7 tonight. Funny how the average American that has to pay bills has to show up, but they don't. They probably have vacations booked with their model wives already to rare Islands. What a slap in the face to fans. Oh, and take your $500 first-round tickets and stick 'em.
The Devils are rolling speed after speed and we had a perfectly good defenseman in HFD that made the all-star team that couldn't get a sniff over Harpur, Hajek and Mikkola. Gallant's call, as Drury made VERY clear after game six last year about sitting Kakko. Drury, this is on you, too.
 
I don't remember ever advocating for Messier to coach, but it may be time to bring him in as an assistant. He knows what it takes to win, and this team/coaching staff clearly does not.
 
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BobMarleyNYR said:
Gallant is not getting fired two years into his tenure with this team, especially when Drury's first move was to hire him. And he shouldn't be fired, that's an idiotic idea.

Newsflash. The kids are all alright, and nothing more. Hockey players simply don't take that long to develop skills -- they are not improving, they're adjusting and finding their place you lead a llama to water, but when the other option is a decrepit camel, you generate that.
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I agree, GG is not getting fired esp when Q is blackballed from the NHL and there is no other coaches available currently. I think they need to fire GG's assistants. They've been with him everywhere he goes, and they're his tacticians. GG leans on his assistants and they're meh at best. They need someone like how Brunnette came in for NJD. Guy with NHL experience and actually can make adjustments on the fly. Not just flopping players to try and wake them up.
 
Avery16 said:
I don't remember ever advocating for Messier to coach, but it may be time to bring him in as an assistant. He knows what it takes to win, and this team/coaching staff clearly does not.
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I think if Messier had ever shown the slightest inclination to be an assistant the Rangers would take him...
 
Avery16 said:
I don't remember ever advocating for Messier to coach, but it may be time to bring him in as an assistant. He knows what it takes to win, and this team/coaching staff clearly does not.
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At some point its your players, if you watch this team and listen to what the coaches preach, only the kid line was doing it. Some of these guys are too "talented" to play the game the last two coaches want them to play, the way most every team does in the playoffs. There's way too many wallflowers, not enough speed and the offense is way too predictable because they wanna pass it around the perimeter for one timers and tap ins. We live and die on the pp, when its cold we lose, thats because we don't have the balls to win puck battles or jam the net for rebounds etc. You can hire a new coach every year for 10 years and you won't get some of these guys to play playoff hockey.
 
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At some point its your players, if you watch this team and listen to what the coaches preach, only the kid line was doing it. Some of these guys are too "talented" to play the game the last two coaches want them to play, the way most every team does in the playoffs. There's way too many wallflowers, not enough speed and the offense is way too predictable because they wanna pass it around the perimeter for one timers and tap ins. We live and die on the pp, when its cold we lose, thats because we don't have the balls to win puck battles or jam the net for rebounds etc. You can hire a new coach every year for 10 years and you won't get some of these guys to play playoff hockey.
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Well, how about we fire the coach and half the players get traded ? Solves both problems. We need to wake up and realize this game is about speed and skill. Not just skill and slow feet being reactive instead of proactive. This team had serious flaws and we only got to this position because of the offensive talent on this team. It eventually caught up to them 1st round. The D couldn't get out of their end due to pressure from opposing teams. It was so blatantly obvious all year.

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It's not the coach, it's the personnel. And more specifically, it's not the defense, it's the forwards.
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Not the defense? They couldn't string a pass to get out of their end if their lives depended on it. Wrong
 
DuneGoon84 said:
Well, how about we fire the coach and half the players get traded ? Solves both problems. We need to wake up and realize this game is about speed and skill. Not just skill and slow feet being reactive instead of proactive. This team had serious flaws and we only got to this position because of the offensive talent on this team. It eventually caught up to them 1st round. The D couldn't get out of their end due to pressure from opposing teams. It was so blatantly obvious all year.


Not the defense? They couldn't string a pass to get out of their end if their lives depended on it. Wrong
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Wrong? Ok, but it's hard to pass to players that don't move and stand at the red line hoping for a stretch pass. I just do not believe that Fox, Lindgren, Miller and Trouba are bad outlet passers when they never were bad before being here. Not only that, they weren't bad literally 1 year ago. After we got faster, more aggressive and capable players at FORWARD at last years trade deadline (Vatrano, Copp, Motte) our team was much more capable of getting out of their own zone. We all saw it and talked about it. We looked much more akin to something like the Canes or Devils than what we looked like this year. And Gallant has remarked that multiple times to the media. I think Gallant wanted that style again, but Drury got backed into a corner with trying to make Panarin as "happy" as possible. Good thing that worked out.
 
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The whole narrative of Drury trading for Panarin’s buddies to make him happy is so weird to me

Tarasenko and Kane are household names who have won cups that were expected to be available for a while at a position of need at RW

The fact they have any sort of relationship with him is either pure happenstance or at the very least towards the bottom of reasons Drury made the move for them.

Panarin was shit this series but people are grasping at straws on this one to blame him for something
 
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I don't think people are grasping at straws. Panarin can't produce in tight games. The playoffs are still played with more effort and defensive responsibility. He's being paid like the Crosby or McDavid of his time, and that's not who he is. He's an incredibly talented role player.

Panarin and Trouba represent 20 million dollars of 'not good enough'
 
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Here is the answer...

Duchene plays mainly RW at this point in his career but can also play center. He plays with very good speed and his even strength numbers are still very good. $8m cap hit is far more reasonable than Panarin's ~$11.65m. More would need to come back to the Rangers but this is a solid foundation to a deal. Panarin would fit in well with Josi on the PP and Nashville can retool and push for the playoffs while rebuilding there. I believe Trotz was in Long Island when the Islanders pushed for Panarin to sign with them when he was a UFA so the coach knows the player.

The Rangers add a player who plays a position of general weakness on RW and who plays with more speed which is needed. They also save $3.65m on the cap for the next 3 seasons. Duchene also doesn't have a NMC or any NTC protection so there is always the option/opportunity to find a suitor down the road for him even with $$ retained if needed.

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