Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

[bleedblue94]

and he makes 11.6 million dollars with absolutely no chance to buy out.

i know, i have been the bad guy about this with @LokiDog for almost 2 years bc we saw this developing despite the reg season point totals. shit, he was even playing on the perimeter in training camp scrimmages.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

People have to see that the overwhelming #1 reason why winning this series was always going to be a coin flip at best (that relies on a hot PP and Igor) was that the NYR are actively terrible at breaking out, transitioning with speed, and entering the zone…right?

To me it’s stab you in the eyes obvious. Every metric supports the eye test in this case.

In my opinion it is both personnel and tactics. Or lack thereof. Drury can address both of these to varying degrees pretty easily this off-season. If that isn’t the story of the NYR off-season and a top priority, if Drury shows even a small doubt that he understands this is the issue. It’s time to call it.

 

[The Gloaming]

Younger generations are less supportive of and deferent to hierarchies. Not sure the new generations of star players are going to be swayed by a guy barking orders at them despite being less valuable to the franchise and making half what the players are.

As more genZ players enter the league, we'll just get more Laffy types who are just happy to goof around and are completely unfocused at all times.

 

[MrAlmost]

Panarin to a few teams works. Anaheim and LA have the cap space and futures+roster player to get it done. And obviously the attraction of Southern California now that Panarin has made most of the money on his contract. Anaheim has players Panarin is familiar with, LA has an up and coming team that will compete sooner. Though with the addition of Panarin, Anaheim may compete sooner too.

Nashviille works too. They are interesting. They have quite a bit of cap space and a need. They have a good amount of RFAs to consider, but Panarin can actually fit in on that LW. Wouldn't even need to include Duchene. McDonagh, Tomasino, 1st and 2nd. Deal. No state tax.

There are others. Ottawa for Debrincat is interesting. I would rather have Debrincat's youth and speed at 60 points and 7.5 over Panarin's slow puck play and 90 points at 11.6. Of course, Ottawa might think the same thing. Haha. Ottawa might be interested cause they have plenty of young players as it is as well as prospects and may be interested in a little more veteran approach in the top 6 with Giroux. Again, most of Panarin's money is paid already.

Vancouver is a possibility. Kuz, Pod and Krav are there. Though who knows how long for Krav. He sucks. But they have a need for some skill to go along with Pettersson and Miller with a mostly young group around that. Probably a Boeser, Garland, 1st and later round picks package.

And this is without looking that deep into it. I am sure there are some other darkhorse candidates out there too that would be interested. It is not impossible, nor is it a bad choice. I actually think it is the best choice.

We are a day removed and as usual I have stepped back from the ledge. I do not think the team needs to be blown up, but Panarin has run his course. He has not delivered for us in 2 post-seasons and a play-in short round. Basically, 3 big game situations.

Count me as someone that actually likes the Vancouver or Nashville deal the most. I think this team can do it, but we need more speed and some more piss and vinegar in the forward corps. Boeser is debatable as he can be a bull one game and lamb the next, but Garland is a shit disturber that this fan base would love. Tomasino has speed and McD would give us a great 3LD for Schneider and if you hadn't noticed, McD has become a real prick to play against since leaving the Rangers and playing for a real franchise. Haha

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

that is one thing when a player is in their 20s, panarin is going to be 32 in the fall. players that old dont get fixed

Even then.

There will be a team out there who sees the 90+ point season and thinks "Hey, I think we can get him to be productive in the playoffs with our guys."

It happens all the time. Sometimes it even works.

The reality is that they should have stayed the f*** away when he was a UFA and saved themselves from this mess but JD/JG couldn't help themselves.

 

[Fitzy]

As more genZ players enter the league, we'll just get more Laffy types who are just happy to goof around and are completely unfocused at all times.

I mean I didn't want to go the whole way there but you did it for me

 

[Priorae]

Guys, panarin is making 11 million and has a NMC. I think we’d have a better chance getting 97 than trading him. We might have a better chance traveling back to 97 than trading him.

This is our world now. I’m going to take this extra time to learn about combustion engines.

 

[duhmetreE]

Time to repeat myself this offseason... 3rd times a charm...

Go get 2 or more spark plugs.

 

[The Gloaming]

I mean I didn't want to go the whole way there but you did it for me

I'm on the cusp of genZ myself so idgaf about calling them out.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Guys, panarin is making 11 million and has a NMC. I think we’d have a better chance getting 97 than trading him. We might have a better chance traveling back to 97 than trading him.

This is our world now. I’m going to take this extra time to learn about combustion engines.

It's almost as if some of you don't understand that other teams are also capable of sending back salary.

NO one is taking on the full hit that he has with out sending back players and/or a partial retention. The money itself isn't the issue - Finding a place that wants him AND he's willing to go to might be.

If he wants to be a pain in the ass about it, they should just scratch him.

 

[MrAlmost]

Also, I think Jones' future is tied to Gallant. If Drury brings Gallant back for 1 more year, he likely moves Jones cause he won't play him. If he is fired, Jones is likely on the team. He is playing well for the Wolfpack who are making a strong push in the playoffs. He is ready for the NHL.

 

[DanielBrassard]

People have to see that the overwhelming #1 reason why winning this series was always going to be a coin flip at best (that relies on a hot PP and Igor) was that the NYR are actively terrible at breaking out, transitioning with speed, and entering the zone…right?

To me it’s stab you in the eyes obvious. Every metric supports the eye test in this case.

In my opinion it is both personnel and tactics. Or lack thereof. Drury can address both of these to varying degrees pretty easily this off-season. If that isn’t the story of the NYR off-season and a top priority, if Drury shows even a small doubt that he understands this is the issue. It’s time to call it.

Yeah this is the biggest issue for the organization and it's not really close.

 

[McRanger92]

Panarin to a few teams works. Anaheim and LA have the cap space and futures+roster player to get it done. And obviously the attraction of Southern California now that Panarin has made most of the money on his contract. Anaheim has players Panarin is familiar with, LA has an up and coming team that will compete sooner. Though with the addition of Panarin, Anaheim may compete sooner too.

Nashviille works too. They are interesting. They have quite a bit of cap space and a need. They have a good amount of RFAs to consider, but Panarin can actually fit in on that LW. Wouldn't even need to include Duchene. McDonagh, Tomasino, 1st and 2nd. Deal. No state tax.

There are others. Ottawa for Debrincat is interesting. I would rather have Debrincat's youth and speed at 60 points and 7.5 over Panarin's slow puck play and 90 points at 11.6. Of course, Ottawa might think the same thing. Haha. Ottawa might be interested cause they have plenty of young players as it is as well as prospects and may be interested in a little more veteran approach in the top 6 with Giroux. Again, most of Panarin's money is paid already.

Vancouver is a possibility. Kuz, Pod and Krav are there. Though who knows how long for Krav. He sucks. But they have a need for some skill to go along with Pettersson and Miller with a mostly young group around that. Probably a Boeser, Garland, 1st and later round picks package.

And this is without looking that deep into it. I am sure there are some other darkhorse candidates out there too that would be interested. It is not impossible, nor is it a bad choice. I actually think it is the best choice.

We are a day removed and as usual I have stepped back from the ledge. I do not think the team needs to be blown up, but Panarin has run his course. He has not delivered for us in 2 post-seasons and a play-in short round. Basically, 3 big game situations.

Count me as someone that actually likes the Vancouver or Nashville deal the most. I think this team can do it, but we need more speed and some more piss and vinegar in the forward corps. Boeser is debatable as he can be a bull one game and lamb the next, but Garland is a shit disturber that this fan base would love. Tomasino has speed and McD would give us a great 3LD for Schneider and if you hadn't noticed, McD has become a real prick to play against since leaving the Rangers and playing for a real franchise. Haha

You're barking up the wrong tree if you think Panarin is going to Vancouver or Ottawa lol. The only hope here is if the divorce is mutual. If 10 likes NY he's not going anywhere. It doesnt help that he just had a kid and my not want to uproot his family.

 

[bl02]

It's almost as if some of you don't understand that other teams are also capable of sending back salary.

NO one is taking on the full hit that he has with out sending back players and/or a partial retention. The money itself isn't the issue - Finding a place that wants him AND he's willing to go to might be.

If he wants to be a pain in the ass about it, they should just scratch him.

It's both the money and the place he wants to go to. Do the Florida teams even have any cap space? Do the California teams want to interrupt their rebuilds for this guy? I mean even a team like LA maybe Iafallo comes back? But even they don't have much cap space.
You have to find the right spot that he wants to go and that team has to have a guy they are willing to send back with salary AND the Rangers would have to actually be willing to take that guy. No team is sending back a guy making 5 million for one more year while having to take on almost 12 million in Panarin money for 3 more years.
Pretty complicated but I hope somehow it can get done.

 

[Rangers in 7]

lost in all of this is pathetic tweets like this



i think going forward we just say no hits allowed, definitely trouba should have bear hugged meier or just let him walk around him

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

People have to see that the overwhelming #1 reason why winning this series was always going to be a coin flip at best (that relies on a hot PP and Igor) was that the NYR are actively terrible at breaking out, transitioning with speed, and entering the zone…right?

To me it’s stab you in the eyes obvious. Every metric supports the eye test in this case.

In my opinion it is both personnel and tactics. Or lack thereof. Drury can address both of these to varying degrees pretty easily this off-season. If that isn’t the story of the NYR off-season and a top priority, if Drury shows even a small doubt that he understands this is the issue. It’s time to call it.

Priority #2.

Priority #1 should be getting rid of Panarin. He's poison for this organization.

I'd actually put it as Priority #2A/B. Even if this team were filled with nothing but puck movers, the offense would still be pretty one and done. They need to add guys who can actually retrieve the puck and will get to the paint. More of the Carolina approach, sans neglecting the ability to finish.

 

[JimmyG89]

unless the cap goes up the Rangers are gonna have to find a way to do this internally.
Heck maybe even give Jones a real chance? Under GG tho probably never happens.

Jones 100% needs to be given a legit chance. 16 games this season was not that. While he may not have more points this year in the AHL, he has to be better in his own end.

The other thing is that Kakko and Lafreniere have to be given the keys to the car. The organization has let them be role players, and that's all they've done.

The only way forward is to let them drive the bus. PP1 and top line assignments. 20 minutes a night. One on the half wall and one in the bumper. Sink or swim time. You don't just give up on a #2 and #1 pick and stick them on the 3rd line forever. Plenty of others didn't take off until the things in front of them changed.

MacKinnon was stuck behind Duchene. They cleared the path for him and he flourished. Let them be the engine moving forward, cause the old one is leaking oil.

 

[McRanger92]

lost in all of this is pathetic tweets like this

It's on Trouba to keep Meier's head up I guess. The guy deserved the hit but it should've been done in Game 3 after he ran Igor and proceeded to dive all over the ice for 7 games. Meier is such a fraud and now he needs a nose job. Boo hoo

 

[savebyrichter94]

Interested in hearing the guys who cover the league give their postmortems on the season. I think Jeff Marek is live now with his show but it's region-locked.

If you have Spotify the segment about NY is posted

 

[Fitzy]

I think we are at like 85% consensus on here (Which is a rare high number) that this roster's main weakness is puck moving from the blue line out- it just ruins the entire transition game. Even Miller struggled big time last night with that.

That said, I'm extremely concerned that we are just going to rearrange forwards like Panarin, Goodrow, Lafreniere, and leave the blue line relatively unchanged.

I'd do whatever it takes to get Trouba out of here. Give Jones a real shot next year. Miller, Fox and Lindgren are a solid start but we need puck movers to complement. One per pairing minimum.

 

[bleedblue94]

Even then.

There will be a team out there who sees the 90+ point season and thinks "Hey, I think we can get him to be productive in the playoffs with our guys."

It happens all the time. Sometimes it even works.

The reality is that they should have stayed the f*** away when he was a UFA and saved themselves from this mess but JD/JG couldn't help themselves.

teams do not have cap space to absord the 2nd highest cap hit in the league, and is nyr taking on contract dumps to move him out? no, not unless they are good for buyouts (kevin hayes?). Then you need to find a place he will go to which is going to be brutal with him money owed and nmc. The contract is a complete grenade and it was from day 1 based on the structure. now that he is playing this way the pin is out of the grenade.

 

[zlev]

It's on Trouba to keep Meier's head up I guess. The guy deserved the hit but it should've been done in Game 3 after he ran Igor and proceeded to dive all over the ice for 7 games. Meier is such a fraud and now he needs a nose job. Boo hoo

we coulda used a guy driving puck possession at 64% in this series dont you think?

 

[Cheapshot]

Random question- Does Dolan consider this season a failure? All these "make mega changes" ideas are predicated on the idea that this season was a failure and regression, and thus major change is needed.

But does the guy who owns the organization think that?

He’s probably too busy with the knicks to care. But I’m sure he’s happy he got playoff money from both teams.

 

[Avery16]

What I really hope is that Trouba didn't miss opportunities to throw more hits like his on Meier because he was preoccupied with looking for rush chances. Know your role.

 

[duhmetreE]

People have to see that the overwhelming #1 reason why winning this series was always going to be a coin flip at best (that relies on a hot PP and Igor) was that the NYR are actively terrible at breaking out, transitioning with speed, and entering the zone…right?

To me it’s stab you in the eyes obvious. Every metric supports the eye test in this case.

In my opinion it is both personnel and tactics. Or lack thereof. Drury can address both of these to varying degrees pretty easily this off-season. If that isn’t the story of the NYR off-season and a top priority, if Drury shows even a small doubt that he understands this is the issue. It’s time to call it.

After catching the SEA vs COL game7.... we look a PeeWee team compared to Seattle.

They are well coached and players have bought in.

We are not well coached and players have nothing to buy into. This is why we occasionally look confused, flat and disengaged.

I have never witnessed a team be so shit at getting the puck out of the zone... to the point that it almost looks like they're doing it on purpose as if it's a 'practice' drill.