Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

[bhamill]

Now you're getting it. A LHD with similar upside would also be superb. The current regime doesn't seem to high on either Jones or Robertson if Ben Harpur continues to get regular games.

Yeah. I see what you are saying, except maybe not agreeing a guy on that Jack Quinn level has the same upside. and that’s the tricky part. So I don’t really see it happening.
IMO, Laf is only just starting to put it together and he’s still likely to get 20/20 with practically no powerplay time for the majority of the year. The fact that he doesn’t have the numbers a typical 1OA would traditionally have at this point has me seeing it as selling low on him. And I think management sees it the same way. I’m not a ”he’s untouchable“ kind of guy but selling low is not what I would do.

 

[Alluckks]

Panarin Zib Kakko
Laf Chytil Kane
Kreider Trocheck Tarasenko
Motte Goodrow Vesey

 

[Alluckks]

Timo Meier has 1 goal, 0 assists in 5 games with the Devils. But the Devils have been healthy and playing well, and are 4-1 in their last 5 games. There is no extension that was signed when Meier got traded their either.

 

[DanielBrassard]

So you think they should trade Laf for a player from the same draft that is far less highly regarded and has scored less than Laf this year… I don’t get it.

Their PPG is virtually identical, and I haven't looked at P/60 but I would not be surprised in the slightest if Quinn is better there as well. I guarantee he does not get as much ice time as Lafreniere. As for who is more highly regarded, I'm not so sure that is the case anymore. Plus Quinn in particular has 2 more years of entry-level money which would be huge. All that being said I don't think it would be very likely to happen but something I would look for.

 

[RangerBoy]

Instead of Trading Lafreniere for a pick they should try to acquire a RW who has played in the NHL but is on his ELC. Someone like Jack Quinn in Buffalo.

It would have to be more than Quinn. People were mad at Adams when that pick was made but Quinn is a quality player. The team that doesn't get the #1 overall pick. Lafreniere for one of those picks. Fantilli. Carlsson. The Rangers get a potential #1 center. Fantilli stays at Michigan for one more season. Carlsson stays in Sweden for another season.

A team like Anaheim has Zegras and MacTavish at center. Are they taking another center? They would take Bedard and try to make it work with the other two players. The Russian kid is good but how does Anaheim feel about Michkov.

I like Lafreniere very much. He will probably have a very good finish to his season. The Rangers roster is disjointed. Who knows how the contract thing will work out? The Rangers can't really afford more than a two bridge deal similar to Kakko's. The cap is expected to be flat again. $1M increase. The players will still owe money after this season. The new developments are the RSN contracts. AT&T has already told Vegas, Pittsburgh and Seattle to find new deals for next season. There are twelve NHL teams which are Bally Sports RSN's. The parent company is picking which TV contracts to honor. They already announced some MLB teams will not get any rights fee money for this season. Diamondbacks being one. MLB is planning to offer free streams for those games. MLB will produce the games. The NHL's finances suck. Too much uncertainty to negotiate a cap increase for next season.

 

[NYR Viper]

Over the last 3 years there have been 22% more PP mins/game in the playoffs when the game is tied than the regular season. If you exclude overtime (which I can't easily do) that number will go up since penalties are called much less often in overtime.

Penalties go up in the playoffs and it's been like this for a while yet it's oft repeated as an irrefutable fact that they go down. Not true. Now if you want to ask if penalties called as a percentage of penalties that should be called change...I'd assume that goes down but there is obviously no way to track that.

Thank you @SA16

 

[IronBloodedLion]

Timo Meier has 1 goal, 0 assists in 5 games with the Devils. But the Devils have been healthy and playing well, and are 4-1 in their last 5 games. There is no extension that was signed when Meier got traded their either.

One thing I give the Devils a lot of credit with is building slow and steady. Allowing their young players to grow, develop together, so they have real team culture and chemistry. Now when you add an outside piece like Meier (without really taking anything off of their roster), he can be afforded the time to get comfortable in the system.

 

[Machinehead]

The more I think about it, the more I think it has to be Trocheck centering Kane & Panarin and he needs to accept a more "up high"/defensive mentality to cover for creative "errors" by the other two.

Kreider - Zibs - Tarasenko
Kane - Trocheck - Panarin
Das Kinder
Motte Goodrow Vesey

And, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GG, leave them together for longer than 10 minutes.

Oh my god, you're Gerard Gallant

 

[bhamill]

Their PPG is virtually identical, and I haven't looked at P/60 but I would not be surprised in the slightest if Quinn is better there as well. I guarantee he does not get as much ice time as Lafreniere. As for who is more highly regarded, I'm not so sure that is the case anymore. Plus Quinn in particular has 2 more years of entry-level money which would be huge. All that being said I don't think it would be very likely to happen but something I would look for.

I’m pretty sure the only GM in the league who would make that trade is Buffalo’s… on a talent/upside basis.

 

[bhamill]

It would have to be more than Quinn. People were mad at Adams when that pick was made but Quinn is a quality player. The team that doesn't get the #1 overall pick. Lafreniere for one of those picks. Fantilli. Carlsson. The Rangers get a potential #1 center. Fantilli stays at Michigan for one more season. Carlsson stays in Sweden for another season.

A team like Anaheim has Zegras and MacTavish at center. Are they taking another center? They would take Bedard and try to make it work with the other two players. The Russian kid is good but how does Anaheim feel about Michkov.

I like Lafreniere very much. He will probably have a very good finish to his season. The Rangers roster is disjointed. Who knows how the contract thing will work out? The Rangers can't really afford more than a two bridge deal similar to Kakko's. The cap is expected to be flat again. $1M increase. The players will still owe money after this season. The new developments are the RSN contracts. AT&T has already told Vegas, Pittsburgh and Seattle to find new deals for next season. There are twelve NHL teams which are Bally Sports RSN's. The parent company is picking which TV contracts to honor. They already announced some MLB teams will not get any rights fee money for this season. Diamondbacks being one. MLB is planning to offer free streams for those games. MLB will produce the games. The NHL's finances suck. Too much uncertainty to negotiate a cap increase for next season.

I could actually see a trade for pick 2-5. Laf is already NHL ready and will break out likely 23-24 or the next season, one of these teams may prefer that. Personally I like the timeline with Laf rather than a player who will have to now start his NHL development, but I guess some of this depends on what they can do with the cap.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

If a team offered a pick in the 2 to 5 range in this draft for Laff I'd take that and run. I think Laff will be a good player but odds are he will not achieve his potential as a former #1 pick.

Edit: I also want to say I highly doubt any teams holding a pick in the 2-5 range would make that trade.

 

[bhamill]

If a team offered a pick in the 2 to 5 range in this draft for Laff I'd take that and run. I think Laff will be a good player but odds are he will not achieve his potential as a former #1 pick.

Edit: I also want to say I highly doubt any teams holding a pick in the 2-5 range would make that trade.

I mean that's fair. And I get people being less high on Laf than I still am. Whether teams would do that is going to depend on how Laf finishes out the season and playoffs. But then if he lights it up enough that 2-5 position teams would make that trade, would WE still want to?
I still see Laf as a franchise type player when all is said and done. And probably sooner than anyone in that 2-5 range, who are also likely franchise type players, will get there. Bedard perhaps being generational. Laf is going to finish probably better than 20G/20A with relatively sparse power play time on the year. He's got skill, he's got grit. He goes to the dirty areas, he hits, he has dropped the gloves for his team mates. He's a rare blend. I've said it before but I think he's going to be a 80-90 point, physical, 200 foot player and a team leader. An EXTREMELY valuable player. I get it if you don't agree, we dont need to argue it, just giving my take on it.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I mean that's fair. And I get people being less high on Laf than I still am. Whether teams would do that is going to depend on how Laf finishes out the season and playoffs. But then if he lights it up enough that 2-5 position teams would make that trade, would WE still want to?
I still see Laf as a franchise type player when all is said and done. And probably sooner than anyone in that 2-5 range, who are also likely franchise type players, will get there. Bedard perhaps being generational. Laf is going to finish probably better than 20G/20A with relatively sparse power play time on the year. He's got skill, he's got grit. He goes to the dirty areas, he hits, he has dropped the gloves for his team mates. He's a rare blend. I've said it before but I think he's going to be a 80-90 point, physical, 200 foot player and a team leader. An EXTREMELY valuable player. I get it if you don't agree, we dont need to argue it, just giving my take on it.

I don’t ever see Laf as a 200 ft player.
I agree with your other points, but that’s not his game to me.
Don’t mistake throwing hits for being good defensively. Ovi loved throwing the body and it would usually give up a goal the other way because he took himself out of position.

 

[bhamill]

I don’t ever see Laf as a 200 ft player.
I agree with your other points, but that’s not his game to me.
Don’t mistake throwing hits for being good defensively. Ovi loved throwing the body and it would usually give up a goal the other way because he took himself out of position.

Again, that's fair, but in isolating on him during games I see more and more defensive awareness and backchecking. I'm not saying he's very good defensively NOW, it's a projection. Which could be absolutely WRONG of course. Hahaha.

 

[MrAlmost]

Not sure why so much panic over the younger players. Maybe I am just in the dog days of the season and my care level is slowly dwindling, but every single one of them is having a better season this year than they had previously. I mean, that is progress right?

I have never seen so much talk about ice time allocation and line combinations in my time on this board, and that's a long time let me tell you. Perhaps it is a function of having never had such high picks before.

I will say, though we may not be much for forwards, we are a defensemen factory.

 

[Fitzy]

Laf has, each of his 3 seasons, finished the year much stronger than he started it.

IDK what the remedy is, but if he played late season hockey all year he'd probably hit 50 points.

Draft position nonwithstanding, for 3rd line players that rarely see the PP this is actually pretty good production. I think of Nichushkin, Compher, Newhook in Colorado last year.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Laf has, each of his 3 seasons, finished the year much stronger than he started it.

IDK what the remedy is, but if he played late season hockey all year he'd probably hit 50 points.

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Draft position nonwithstanding, for 3rd line players that rarely see the PP this is actually pretty good production. I think of Nichushkin, Compher, Newhook in Colorado last year.

I mean they’re producing more but also getting more minutes.
Basically what most of us had been arguing for a while.

The thing is almost all of their minutes are 5v5 minutes. The coach also doesn’t really seem to be good at pushing them into spots to be successful

 

[haohmaru]

Oh my god, you're Gerard Gallant

Vally espoused the same lineup, chief.

 

[Machinehead]

Vally espoused the same lineup, chief.

I would imagine so, it's the lineup we've been using since Kane got here.

 

[haohmaru]

I would imagine so, it's the lineup we've been using since Kane got here.

Did you miss the last two games?

 

[NYR Viper]

Player A
1.6 p/60 at 5v5 in 2023

Player B
1.8 p/60 at 5v5 in 2023

Player C
2.4 p/60 at 5v5 in 2023

Player D
1.6p/60 at 5v5 in 2023


A is Kaako
B is Zibanejad
C in Panarin
D is Lafreniere

I am not seeing their seasons as 'disappointing'. Not consistent? Sure. But not disappointing.

 

[Fitzy]

One day a rearrangement may occur in the team's forward heirarchy. The Sedin twins eventually supplanted the aging West Coast Express that they had been laboring in the shadow of.

I do genuinely think that Chytil, Kakko, and Lafreniere will be on this team long after Panarin, Trouba, and possibly Kreider are not.

Zibby I think probably sticks with us unless management decides to do another rebuild, in which case I could see him sold at 33-34 with some retention to a competitor.

 

[Synergy27]

Their PPG is virtually identical, and I haven't looked at P/60 but I would not be surprised in the slightest if Quinn is better there as well. I guarantee he does not get as much ice time as Lafreniere. As for who is more highly regarded, I'm not so sure that is the case anymore. Plus Quinn in particular has 2 more years of entry-level money which would be huge. All that being said I don't think it would be very likely to happen but something I would look for.

Quinn is ahead of Laf pretty handily in just about all of the rate categories of interest. He is shooting over 16% though.

 

[Machinehead]

Did you miss the last two games?

What about the games before that? We already tried it and it was bad.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Quinn is ahead of Laf pretty handily in just about all of the rate categories of interest. He is shooting over 16% though.

yeah he is but even if he was shooting 10% like Lafreniere he'd still be scoring more. But in his case it's not even just the points, I really like the player he is and he's a better fit for this roster position wise as well as contractually. I don't think Buffalo would be too interested in making the swap TBH.