Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

[Lindberg Cheese]

I’ve seen a lot of questions on this thread and the answer to all of them is Tanner Glass.

 

[SA16]

I would imagine that as games come to a close and things look out of reach, penalties go WAY up compared to the regular season as well. for example, a team down 5-2 may have a guy take a double minor for roughing or something like that which may skew the numbers.

I'd be curious if anyone could cull the data to the 1st period, 2nd pewriod and half of the 3rd periods compared to the regualr season. Assuming the rough stuff happens in the last 10 minutes of a not-so-close game

Over the last 3 years there have been 22% more PP mins/game in the playoffs when the game is tied than the regular season. If you exclude overtime (which I can't easily do) that number will go up since penalties are called much less often in overtime.

Penalties go up in the playoffs and it's been like this for a while yet it's oft repeated as an irrefutable fact that they go down. Not true. Now if you want to ask if penalties called as a percentage of penalties that should be called change...I'd assume that goes down but there is obviously no way to track that.

 

[kovazub94]

I don't think it's as black and white as "bad shots, good shots" when we're talking about players shooting for more volume.

Being a threat to shoot more opens up the defense and creates the possibility of puck luck.

You can't tell me NHL defenders don't put themselves in danger to go after shots that should be left alone. That's the culture.

Zibanejad's tip into his own net yesterday is an example of all of the above.

There's inherent value in shooting more even if it's not for quality. And of course that's within reason so spare us whatever ridiculous hypothetical.

Vally talked about how low danger shots serve to build goalies' confidence too. So there's that.

I agree with you, here is the article in finnish. Its rather long so here are just the translated Kakko comments, I can translate the whole thing tomorrow if someone is intrested.

New York Rangers hankki asiantuntijan sanoin ”tähtisadetta” – Kaapo Kakko avoimena vaikeasta tilanteesta: ”Joku ei mahdu enää pelaamaan”

New York Rangers nostettiin viimeistään siirtotakarajan jälkeen mestarikandidaatiksi, mutta ilmoilla on myös kysymysmerkkejä. Kaapo Kakon peliaika on vähentynyt suursiirtojen jälkeen.

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"I expected something like this (regarding the new TDL aquisitions), because we were also active during last years TDL. There were rumours about Kane but Tarasenko and Mikkola came as a total suprise to me. After the Tarasenko and Mikkola signings no one expected Kane anymore. On paper we are much stronger now."

"There might be challenges. It's great to get good players, but that means that lines will change and PP lines will be different. Someone might not play."

"Regarding us, I think we will find our game and improve once we get more practice and all the circus around the new guys calms down. Some games already feel like playoff games"

"It's not easy for the mind. Couple of new guys on the team and I didn't play a single second PP last game. I think however that I deserve PP time. But i don't try to think about that, if the PP works I don't care who is on it, me or someone else."

"There is a lot of excitement inside the team. The new guys have integrated well and expectations are high. Last year it was a surprise to many that we reached the ECF. This year it is expected that we replicate that success. You can see it in everyone's eyes that we want to achieve big things"

Thank you. I don't see anything controversial at all unless someone WANTS to find it. (not talking about you)

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Stop trying to build the roster:, guys. The Rangers suck. Panarin and even Zibanejad are now issues more than anything, Kreider has returned to form and both goals every night are scored by someone who doesn't score regularly. Chytil has sucked for like 15 games. Kane and Tank are both toast. Fox sucks.

This is how bromance becomes toxic.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Stop trying to build the roster:, guys. The Rangers suck. Panarin and even Zibanejad are now issues more than anything, Kreider has returned to form and both of our goals every nine are scored by someone who doesn't score regularly. Chytil has sucked for like 15 games. Kane and Tank are both toast. Fox sucks.

This is how bromance becomes toxic.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Let's take Kakko for instance.

The adjustment we're talking about isn't "hey kid, make sure you hit Jarry in the chest a couple of times to make sure your shots/60 is slightly up."

The adjustment is "when you get the puck in a good area, just release it immediately instead of trying the 4th/5th move or looking to stop it and make a whole ass play when you've intercepted it."

Exactly. Goalies let in "bad" shots all the time. I don't understand the overpassing or endless cycling by Kakko when we are not playing prime Hasek or something.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

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Half full of urine.

 

[Machinehead]

He's far from a perfect player but the more the season goes along, the more the choice to make Trouba captain makes sense.

The Rangers should be commended for doing what they felt was right and not making the marketing decision on who the face of the franchise was.

 

[Raspewtin]

I recently saw it somewhere (twitter?) that penalty rates are actually the same in the playoffs, maybe only slightly lower.

The games are tighter, magnitude of specific moments obviously increases tenfold. There is more clutching, grabbing, and stick infractions that would normally be called but ultimately are let go. The net sum of it is that we simply notice slashes and hooks more in the post season but there aren't actually less powerplay opportunities.

I don't have anything to support this, but I also imagine there are a lot more infractions that actually occur, but they're still called at the same rate.

 

[Machinehead]

I don't have anything to support this, but I also imagine there are a lot more infractions that actually occur, but they're still called at the same rate.

Right, I think this is key.

The penalty rates might even be slightly elevated but you have to take into account that the playoffs is basically full-body tackling at times.

 

[kovazub94]

I don't have anything to support this, but I also imagine there are a lot more infractions that actually occur, but they're still called at the same rate.

Yup, less time and space and so more opportunities for infractions - it's like if the rate of infractions is up 1.5x then the rate of what's called is up only 1.1x.

 

[HonestGabe]

Yup, less time and space and so more opportunities for infractions - it's like if the rate of infractions is up 1.5x then the rate of what's called is up only 1.1x.

This is essentially what I was getting at, but worded poorly. Our perception is "they don't call penalties in the playoffs" because we see more things that should be calls than we do in the regular season.

That's why when people say things like "special teams matters less in the playoffs" it's usually not backed by anything of substance but rather the assumption that there are less powerplay opportunities because refs swallow their whistles.

 

[haohmaru]

He's far from a perfect player but the more the season goes along, the more the choice to make Trouba captain makes sense.

The Rangers should be commended for doing what they felt was right and not making the marketing decision on who the face of the franchise was.

Well said.

 

[haohmaru]

The more I think about it, the more I think it has to be Trocheck centering Kane & Panarin and he needs to accept a more "up high"/defensive mentality to cover for creative "errors" by the other two.

Kreider - Zibs - Tarasenko
Kane - Trocheck - Panarin
Das Kinder
Motte Goodrow Vesey

And, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GG, leave them together for longer than 10 minutes.

 

[Kravtsov420]

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Wasn’t Bob Marley supposed to be a glass is always full guy?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The lines are easy to anyone outside the organization, for some reason they want to put all the same type of players on a line, it rarely works.

Panarin Zibanejad Tarasenko
Lafreniere Trochek Kane
Kreider Chytil Kakko
Vesey Goodrow Motte
.....
Passer, Shooter, Grinder/shooter
Shooter/Passer, Grinder/Shooter, Passer
Grinder/Shooter, Speed/Shooter, Power F
Checking Line

You have a faceoff guy on each line, i include Kreider on the 3rd for that reason Chytil isn't the guy for key draws and i find Kreider decent for a guy who sparingly takes them.

 

[SA16]

Yup, less time and space and so more opportunities for infractions - it's like if the rate of infractions is up 1.5x then the rate of what's called is up only 1.1x.

Which still means that pps are more important in the playoffs since you get more opportunities and 5v5 play is tougher if teams are interfering without call

 

[redwhiteandblue]

your meltdown has been entertaining

But is it as good as @EdJovanovski 's heel turn last year?

 

[Matt Rentfree]

I’ve seen a lot of questions on this thread and the answer to all of them is Tanner Glass.

Tanner Glass shot JFK????

 

[duhmetreE]

Tank is really putting in effort to try and make it work with Zibs. It has gotten better. I just dont like the style combination. Panarin and Zibs has rarely if ever worked at even strength.

Kreider Zibs Kane
Panarin Trocheck Tank
Laffy Chytil Kakko
Motte Goodrow Vesey

this is not exactly what I want but it's probably the best we get in what fits Gallants M.O. Maybe switch Kane and Kakko but Gallant doesn't have the balls to put Kane at the 'kiddie table'.

 

[bl02]

Tank is really putting in effort to try and make it work with Zibs. It has gotten better. I just dont like the style combination. Panarin and Zibs has rarely if ever worked at even strength.

Kreider Zibs Kane
Panarin Trocheck Tank
Laffy Chytil Kakko
Motte Goodrow Vesey

this is not exactly what I want but it's probably the best we get in what fits Gallants M.O. Maybe switch Kane and Kakko but Gallant doesn't have the balls to put Kane at the 'kiddie table'.

Time is running a bit short. Would like to see that lineup for a good 5-6 game stretch.

 

[bhamill]

Instead of Trading Lafreniere for a pick they should try to acquire a RW who has played in the NHL but is on his ELC. Someone like Jack Quinn in Buffalo.

So you think they should trade Laf for a player from the same draft that is far less highly regarded and has scored less than Laf this year… I don’t get it.

 

[I Eat Crow]

So you think they should trade Laf for a player from the same draft that is far less highly regarded and has scored less than Laf this year… I don’t get it.

Not a player from the same draft per se, but a prospect that has top 6 or top 4 upside that may be blocked elsewhere that may be able to break out with the Rangers.

 

[bhamill]

Not a player from the same draft per se, but a prospect that has top 6 or top 4 upside that may be blocked elsewhere that may be able to break out with the Rangers.

That really sounds like Laf you want to trade for except he has higher upside…
Edit: except if a RW, maybe not blocked here. Depending on what goes on with Kane and Tank…

 

[I Eat Crow]

That really sounds like Laf you want to trade for except he has higher upside…
Edit: except if a RW, maybe not blocked here. Depending on what goes on with Kane and Tank…

Now you're getting it. A LHD with similar upside would also be superb. The current regime doesn't seem to high on either Jones or Robertson if Ben Harpur continues to get regular games.