Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

[zlev]

Timo Meier has 1 goal, 0 assists in 5 games with the Devils. But the Devils have been healthy and playing well, and are 4-1 in their last 5 games. There is no extension that was signed when Meier got traded their either.

59 xGF% and 53% corsi

 

[bhamill]

Quinn is ahead of Laf pretty handily in just about all of the rate categories of interest. He is shooting over 16% though.

Jack Quinn is 13/17/30 in 59 games.
Lafreniere is 14/18/32 in 65 games.
Their production is comparable. Does Quin hit? Does he go to the dirty areas? Does he stick up for teammates? Can you find me a single legit source that says Quinn's upside is close to Lafrenierre's?
The point being there is no real incentive for NYR to make that trade. It's NOT an upgrade for the present nor the future. Why on earth would NYR take this gamble? I'm not running down Quinn either, he's doing well, he's just not an upgrade and we should be able to bridge Laf easily.

yeah he is but even if he was shooting 10% like Lafreniere he'd still be scoring more. But in his case it's not even just the points, I really like the player he is and he's a better fit for this roster position wise as well as contractually. I don't think Buffalo would be too interested in making the swap TBH.

Hahahaha. I think Buffalo makes that swap faster than you can blink.
Also, not that it matters, but how does a drop of more than 33% in shooting percentage translate to more scoring for Quinn? Math says he'd go from 13 goals to under 10... All I hear about Laf's sophmore year 19 goals is they don't count for much because his shooting percentage was too high. Haha.

 

[Guyute]

59 xGF% and 53% corsi

Sounds like Kakko.

Next to no points but great Corsi.

 

[Synergy27]

yeah he is but even if he was shooting 10% like Lafreniere he'd still be scoring more. But in his case it's not even just the points, I really like the player he is and he's a better fit for this roster position wise as well as contractually. I don't think Buffalo would be too interested in making the swap TBH.

I am in no way ready to cut bait with Laf. That said, I had completely forgotten about Quinn and found myself repeatedly asking “who was that guy” during the game last week. He was doing a bunch of stuff that you expect to see a high pick doing. The kind of stuff we’ve been clamoring for Laf to do and that he has been doing more of lately. Noticeable.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Jack Quinn is 13/17/30 in 59 games.
Lafreniere is 14/18/32 in 65 games.
Their production is comparable. Does Quin hit? Does he go to the dirty areas? Does he stick up for teammates? Can you find me a single legit source that says Quinn's upside is close to Lafrenierre's?
The point being there is no real incentive for NYR to make that trade. It's NOT an upgrade for the present nor the future. Why on earth would NYR take this gamble? I'm not running down Quinn either, he's doing well, he's just not an upgrade and we should be able to bridge Laf easily.


Hahahaha. I think Buffalo makes that swap faster than you can blink.
Also, not that it matters, but how does a drop of more than 33% in shooting percentage translate to more scoring for Quinn? Math says he'd go from 13 goals to under 10... All I hear about Laf's sophmore year 19 goals is they don't count for much because his shooting percentage was too high. Haha.

He'd have a higher rate of goal scoring even if you equalized the shooting percentages because he has a higher shot rate. No one said they didn't count, they said it wasn't repeatable. Which it wasn't.

 

[kinger8998]

Chytils recent slump may actually bode well for extension $$$, although I will gladly take a resurgence come playoff time if it results in him and his line being a 3rd line that gives teams fits to matchup against. Even if it drives his extension $$$ back up, I'll take it if it results in a Cup because of more scoring.

Laf is easily extendable like Chytil and Kakko were for around 2 million. Talk to me again about his future with the team after that bridge deal. Same idea for Kakko, he has these playoffs and next year to finally turn his possession and corsi into production or else the Rangers will need to make a decision on if the cost will be right for a 3rd line forward (if he can't raise production) or if they need to move on from Kakko. Chytil decision point is this summer and his play this season and in playoffs (slump aside) has forced his case as an integral 2/3C.

 

[bhamill]

He'd have a higher rate of goal scoring even if you equalized the shooting percentages because he has a higher shot rate. No one said they didn't count, they said it wasn't repeatable. Which it wasn't.

Quin would have about 9 goals in 59 games, that is not higher scoring any way you want to spin it.
This year Lafreniere will likely surpass his 19 goal sophomore season with his approximate 10% shooting percentage. The bottom line is his goal total is very repeatable after all.

 

[haohmaru]

What about the games before that? We already tried it and it was bad.

The last two games are the only two that have had our 12 F starters in it that will presumably be our playoff roster.

Shit, only 3 of the last 9 have even had s full NHL roster.

Can we give Kane more than 2.5 games? Holy shit.

 

[duhmetreE]

Ok lets snap back to reality.

Laffy is not getting traded.

 

[Machinehead]

The last two games are the only two that have had our 12 F starters in it that will presumably be our playoff roster.

Shit, only 3 of the last 9 have even had s full NHL roster.

Can we give Kane more than 2.5 games? Holy shit.

Kane, yes.

I'm not giving Kreider-Zibanejad-Tarasenko another 2.5 seconds.

 

[pld459666]

One thing I give the Devils a lot of credit with is building slow and steady. Allowing their young players to grow, develop together, so they have real team culture and chemistry. Now when you add an outside piece like Meier (without really taking anything off of their roster), he can be afforded the time to get comfortable in the system.

Imagine if we had tjat same level of patience

 

[duhmetreE]

One thing I give the Devils a lot of credit with is building slow and steady. Allowing their young players to grow, develop together, so they have real team culture and chemistry. Now when you add an outside piece like Meier (without really taking anything off of their roster), he can be afforded the time to get comfortable in the system.

It would be nice if our scouting team started valuing speed/pace a little bit more.

 

[IronBloodedLion]

Imagine if we had tjat same level of patience

To be honest I thought that’s what we were getting when they sent the letter out. Fill in roster spots with solid guys you get sell off while the kids developed and became the core.

 

[pld459666]

To be honest I thought that’s what we were getting when they sent the letter out. Fill in roster spots with solid guys you get sell off while the kids developed and became the core.

I was fully expecting to be fighting for the PO's this year with real contention not happening for another 2+ seasons.

They say that success is a double edged sword.

This franchise and fan base has no patience.

 

[rangersfansince08]

59 xGF% and 53% corsi

Thats how games are won after all right?

 

[Leonardo87]

I was fully expecting to be fighting for the PO's this year with real contention not happening for another 2+ seasons.

They say that success is a double edged sword.

This franchise and fan base has no patience.

I think this is an underrated comment. It’s why we always add these aging vets past their primes, instead of giving our kids a shot to take the next step.

 

[Fitzy]

I still think Kreider-Trocheck-Kakko would make for an excellent line. IDK if those three have even played a shift together this year.

 

[Bruner4329]

I still think Kreider-Trocheck-Kakko would make for an excellent line. IDK if those three have even played a shift together this year.

If anyone watched the Pittsburgh game they would have noticed that Kreider and Kane played well together in the 3rd period. Not sure why more aren't pushing for them on a line. You can stick Trocheck with them. I prefer Kakko on a line with Panarin because bread is a defensive liability.

 

[Savant]

Sounds like Kakko.

Next to no points but great Corsi.

Kakko makes his line better. He made Kreider and Zibanejad better (and I would reunite that trio) and he certainly makes the kid line better

 

[leetch99]

It would be nice if our scouting team started valuing speed/pace a little bit more.

It would be even better if our GM did....he traded the fastest/ biggest guy we had LOL....

 

[zlev]

Thats how games are won after all right?

yes actually

 

[rangersfansince08]

yes actually

True. It doesn't matter who scores more. The winner is determined by who had the higher xGF%.

 

[bhamill]

It would be even better if our GM did....he traded the fastest/ biggest guy we had LOL....

He traded Kreider?

 

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[The New Russian Five]

I feel like today's lines were clicking. The Panarin-Zibanejad-Tarasenko line was cooking. The Kreider-Torcheck-Kane line had their moments. Saw some life back in the kid line. I'd stick with these lines for a little while to see how things go.