Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

[bhamill]

It is a shame we really never got a chance to see Jones qb the second unit which has a decent amount of skill

Who knows what the playoffs might bring? Or if not I’d say he gets a good look next year.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Who knows what the playoffs might bring? Or if not I’d say he gets a good look next year.

A lot would have to happen for him to come into the lineup, and none of it is good. He's currently behind, miller, lindgren, Mikkola and Harpur, and if it's playoffs I'd bet they'd recall Robertson for his size.

 

[bl02]

A lot would have to happen for him to come into the lineup, and none of it is good. He's currently behind, miller, lindgren, Mikkola and Harpur, and if it's playoffs I'd bet they'd recall Robertson for his size.

yeah I think you're right. No way is GG playing Jones over Harpur or probably even Hajek ugh.
Hopefully next year he will get a fair shot but I wouldn't hold my breath. Some GM out there should be smart enough to try to pry Jones away if he's not gonna get a fair shot here.

 

[cheech70]

NHL salary cap could increase by more than $1 million next season | NHL.com

Commissioner says possible uptick tied to 2022-23 hockey-related revenues exceeding expectations

www.nhl.com

 

[SA16]

yeah I think you're right. No way is GG playing Jones over Harpur or probably even Hajek ugh.
Hopefully next year he will get a fair shot but I wouldn't hold my breath. Some GM out there should be smart enough to try to pry Jones away if he's not gonna get a fair shot here.

Most teams already have their own version of a jones. A smallish pmd mid round pick. He might get dealt but I don’t think teams will be knocking down the door to try and get him

 

[RangerBoy]

Bettman indicated a willingness to negotiate a cap increase with the NHLPA. However, Bettman said an increase in escrow would be necessary from the players side.

Bettman, though, left open the possibility that the NHL and NHL Players' Association could agree to raise the cap for next season even if the debt is not paid off in full.

"We're hearing around the bend from players and others that there may be interest in having that [discussion]," Bettman said.

But raising the salary cap prematurely would also require the NHL to raise the 6 percent escrow rates the players are required to pay in the last three years of the NHL/NHLPA Collective Bargaining Agreement.

"If you're going to raise the cap prematurely then we're going to have to look at the escrow percentage as well," Bettman said. "The two are inexorably tied together."

NHL salary cap could increase by more than $1 million next season | NHL.com

Commissioner says possible uptick tied to 2022-23 hockey-related revenues exceeding expectations

www.nhl.com

Escrow has always been an issue for the players.





This guy previously worked for the NHLPA and he despises the NHL front office

$83.5M in 23-24
$88M in 24-25

 

[Shesterkybomb]

yeah I think you're right. No way is GG playing Jones over Harpur or probably even Hajek ugh.
Hopefully next year he will get a fair shot but I wouldn't hold my breath. Some GM out there should be smart enough to try to pry Jones away if he's not gonna get a fair shot here.

Well i don't necessarily agree that we have to trade every prospect that doesn't get an immediate spot on the roster. Jones wasn't, probably still isn't ready for an nhl job and it wouldn't hurt him to finish this year in the ahl, have a muscle building offseason and compete for a job next year. Small d sometimes take some time to get adjusted to playing against stronger players. I kinda wish all our prospects would spend atleast 1 year in the ahl to be honest.

 

[bhamill]

A lot would have to happen for him to come into the lineup, and none of it is good. He's currently behind, miller, lindgren, Mikkola and Harpur, and if it's playoffs I'd bet they'd recall Robertson for his size.

This is likely true.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

The most obvious thing to you is that they were afraid to get "dinged by the league" by doing everything exactly according to the book? On what grounds exactly?

The league came out prior to the Kane trade and said “don’t try putting players on LITR for deadline cap space”

How much more obvious do you want it dude? Lol

 

[The Gloaming]

The league came out prior to the Kane trade and said “don’t try putting players on LITR for deadline cap space”

How much more obvious do you want it dude? Lol

The only thing I remember the league saying is don't trade for players on LTIR.

Lindgren was actually injured. They should have put him on LTIR after they got Kane. Wouldn't have had to do anything with Kane and they wouldn't have had to play shorthanded.

 

[SA16]

The league came out prior to the Kane trade and said “don’t try putting players on LITR for deadline cap space”

How much more obvious do you want it dude? Lol

That is not what they said. They said don't try trading for players (like Nyquist) with the intention of keeping them on LTIR for the remainder of the regular season and first activating them in the playoffs.

In a memo sent to all 32 teams Tuesday, the NHL said it has been brought to its attention that “one or more clubs” may be contemplating acquiring injured players “with the intention of subsequently requesting long-term injury exception” for the player due to an injury that existed prior to the trade. The league made it clear it intends to “closely scrutinize any such transactions” for cap circumvention.

 

[MrAlmost]

NHL salary cap could increase by more than $1 million next season | NHL.com

Commissioner says possible uptick tied to 2022-23 hockey-related revenues exceeding expectations

www.nhl.com

Something, again, doesn't seem right. The NHL will negotiate a cap raise even if escrow isn't paid off, but if they do then they will increase escrow? Won't that make the owners then owe money to the players?

Cap has to go up this summer. If it doesn't, the escrow is paid off by like Pre-season next year and then the low cap is horseshit.

 

[EpicDing]

I think that’s wrong. He’d be able to return this Sunday against Nashville

Yeah that's 10 games, but it's 10 games AND 24 days, so it would've ended up being like 12 games because of that "and."

If they LTIRed him retroactive to the day he was injured, Feb 25, he wouldn't be eligible to come back until March 21 against Carolina. Maybe even later, since that would be the 24th day he may have had to miss that too.

 

[duhmetreE]

Yeah that's 10 games, but it's 10 games AND 24 days, so it would've ended up being like 12 games because of that "and."

If they LTIRed him retroactive to the day he was injured, Feb 25, he wouldn't be eligible to come back until March 21 against Carolina. Maybe even later, since that would be the 24th day he may have had to miss that too.

I've always read that as and/or, whichever comes first.

That's dumb

 

[duhmetreE]

Would you trade Kakko and Chytil for Zegras?

or

Kakko and our 1st? Move Chytil to RW.

Panarin Zibs Tank
Laffy Zegras Chytil
Kreider Trocheck Othmann

Someone plant that seed into Zegras' mind. Demand a trade to New York.

 

[duhmetreE]

Bettman indicated a willingness to negotiate a cap increase with the NHLPA. However, Bettman said an increase in escrow would be necessary from the players side.

NHL salary cap could increase by more than $1 million next season | NHL.com

Commissioner says possible uptick tied to 2022-23 hockey-related revenues exceeding expectations

www.nhl.com

Escrow has always been an issue for the players.





This guy previously worked for the NHLPA and he despises the NHL front office

$83.5M in 23-24
$88M in 24-25

Bettman, speaking on the last day of the NHL general managers meetings, said the cap could increase by about $4.5 million, instead of $1 million, if hockey-related revenues for the rest of this season exceed the current projections, allowing the remaining escrow debt owed by the players to the owners to be paid in full.

It will exceed projections and that number will be around $5M+ or Tob comes back and posts using Tim Hortons WiFi. $88M cap. It's a sign.

 

[bhamill]

Would you trade Kakko and Chytil for Zegras?

or

Kakko and our 1st? Move Chytil to RW.

Panarin Zibs Tank
Laffy Zegras Chytil
Kreider Trocheck Othmann

Someone plant that seed into Zegras' mind. Demand a trade to New York.

The first proposal, no. The odds of neither of them breaking out is too low for that, IMO.
Kakko and our 1st, since it is Dallas' first may be a bit much as well, but only because I think Kakko is a lot farther from his ceiling than Zegras, and because a 20th this year may have the value of a 10th most years.
In general, when I see trades proposing what I consider selling low, I oppose them, because unless the piece you are trading for is also a "sell low" situation, you are normally going to lose the trade.

 

[NYR Viper]

Bettman, speaking on the last day of the NHL general managers meetings, said the cap could increase by about $4.5 million, instead of $1 million, if hockey-related revenues for the rest of this season exceed the current projections, allowing the remaining escrow debt owed by the players to the owners to be paid in full.

It will exceed projections and that number will be around $5M+ or Tob comes back and posts using Tim Hortons WiFi. $88M cap. It's a sign.

When Toronto beats TB to play Boston in round 2 and the Rangers beat NJ and Carolina to go back to the ECF to play either Boston or Toronto the revenue is going WAY UP.

We also need to hope for a lot of 7 game series'

 

[duhmetreE]

When Toronto beats TB to play Boston in round 2 and the Rangers beat NJ and Carolina to go back to the ECF to play either Boston or Toronto the revenue is going WAY UP.

We also need to hope for a lot of 7 game series'

They have to beat Revenue expectations by $100M. They beat it by $600M last year.

If there are big market teams, long series in the playoffs... it's going to beat it by that much more. New board ads sponsorship as well. Everything is pointing to it beating the leagues conservative estimates by a lot.

 

[duhmetreE]

TNT is LIGHTYEARS ahead of ESPN. the contrast is absolutely comical.... how can ESPN be so bad at production?

which broadcast would you rather watch? The ESPN people really do not understand content or how to keep people engaged

 

[Fitzy]

I've been pleasantly surprised with Hank as a broadcaster, I didn't think he had the personality for it.

 

[McRanger92]

TNT is LIGHTYEARS ahead of ESPN. the contrast is absolutely comical.... how can ESPN be so bad at production?

which broadcast would you rather watch? The ESPN people really do not understand content or how to keep people engaged

The in studio panel is at least somewhat entertaining and I like the familiarity of Albert, Eddie O and Jones

 

[DanielBrassard]

Would you trade Kakko and Chytil for Zegras?

or

Kakko and our 1st? Move Chytil to RW.

Panarin Zibs Tank
Laffy Zegras Chytil
Kreider Trocheck Othmann

Someone plant that seed into Zegras' mind. Demand a trade to New York.

I doubt Anaheim would trade Zegras for Kakko+1st. I could see them do the first if they win Bedard/Fantilli.

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

I get agita the closer we get to games with these weeners.
edit: I got lost. See

 

[duhmetreE]

why was it deleted? He was right

this place is abusive and corrupt. Though shall not tread on our fresh memes. This is why @Tob doesn't post here anymore

I doubt Anaheim would trade Zegras for Kakko+1st. I could see them do the first if they win Bedard/Fantilli.

yeah, in this pipedream scenario, he asks for a trade to New York