SA16
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I don't know if he bumped his shot rate up from 7 shots/60 to 9 shots/60 by adding in an extra 2 shots/60 form low danger areas is there any value in that? Probably negative value I would say.
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I don't know if he bumped his shot rate up from 7 shots/60 to 9 shots/60 by adding in an extra 2 shots/60 form low danger areas is there any value in that? Probably negative value I would say.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Why would you assume they would be from low danger areas? When he shot more just that a few years ago his iHDCF/60 went up as well. What's the alternative? That he passes the puck off when he's not particularly adept at it, I'd rather he shoot the puck.
Two weeks ago, Steve Valiquette and Arthur Staple were discussing the Kane trade. Valiquette was a proponent of making the Kane trade and going for it this season. He felt this season is the Rangers best opportunity to win in the next 4-5 years before the Rangers pay their young players this summer unless those kids all become 30 goal scorers. You can tell from his voice that he doesn’t have a ton of faith in the kids becoming big time players.
Then why pay them then? Trade Lafreniere and Chytil for as many futures as possible. 1st round picks/top prospects. Montreal and Vancouver will have a high #1 pick in the 2023. All we hear is how much Vancouver likes Lafreniere because his former agent is an AGM there. The Habs need a young francophone. Vancouver has won 4 straight games for some dumb reason. One of those picks as part of the package. Detroit has Raymond and an extra 1st round pick from the Hronek trade. They can afford to move their 1st in June. Restock the pipeline. Open up a spot for Othmann on the left side. Kakko will play with Zibanejad and Kreider. The kid line will be over. Fall back option is gone.. Drury and Lilley get the opportunity to put their imprints on the organization.
The Rangers will have the cap space to maybe add a player in a trade from a team looking to dump money. Sign some bargain basement deals. Motte and Acciari signed cheap one year as free agents last summer. Flat cap expected again this summer.
Pay Miller.
The Rangers will still have Zibanejad, Trocheck, Panarin, Kreider and Kakko. Othmann. Vesey. Maybe keep Goodrow. Maybe Cuylle. Same group of defensemen.
Then why pay them then? Trade Lafreniere and Chytil for as many futures as possible. 1st round picks/top prospects. Montreal and Vancouver will have a high #1 pick in the 2023. All we hear is how much Vancouver likes Lafreniere because his former agent is an AGM there. The Habs need a young francophone. Vancouver has won 4 straight games for some dumb reason. One of those picks as part of the package. Detroit has Raymond and an extra 1st round pick from the Hronek trade. They can afford to move their 1st in June. Restock the pipeline. Open up a spot for Othmann on the left side. Kakko will play with Zibanejad and Kreider. The kid line will be over. Fall back option is gone.. Drury and Lilley get the opportunity to put their imprints on the organization.
The Rangers will have the cap space to maybe add a player in a trade from a team looking to dump money. Sign some bargain basement deals. Motte and Acciari signed cheap one year as free agents last summer. Flat cap expected again this summer.
Pay Miller.
The Rangers will still have Zibanejad, Trocheck, Panarin, Kreider and Kakko. Othmann. Vesey. Maybe keep Goodrow. Maybe Cuylle. Same group of defensemen.
Daves a mess
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Goody looks like the cap casualty.
I'm a Kakko guy but.... Talk about Donkey Balls.This guy has absolutely VANISHED for a month now.
Lindy has been his best version of himself this year. His outlet, d zone first pass, has been excellent. He's even gotten pretty decent at keeping pucks in at the line in the O zone.
Tara was the move. Maybe even one or the other.
Kane I fear was a typical Ranger stunt move. It's in their entire DNA. It's the franchises Kryptonite.
If you're a young Ranger fan, accept it until you die.
Prove me stooopid Pat. Please
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I'm a Kakko guy but.... Talk about Donkey Balls.This guy has absolutely VANISHED for a month now.
Lindy has been his best version of himself this year. His outlet, d zone first pass, has been excellent. He's even gotten pretty decent at keeping pucks in at the line in the O zone.
Tara was the move. Maybe even one or the other.
Kane I fear was a typical Ranger stunt move. It's in their entire DNA. It's the franchises Kryptonite.
If you're a young Ranger fan, accept it until you die.
Prove me stooopid Pat. Please
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DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Instead of Trading Lafreniere for a pick they should try to acquire a RW who has played in the NHL but is on his ELC. Someone like Jack Quinn in Buffalo.
SA16
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Because it's a lot easier to take additional low danger shots than it is to take additional high danger shots.
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Regarding Kakko there was an interview in the Finnish media a couple of days back. I'm not sure if it was discussed here already? I try to find the time to link it and translate it tomorrow. But basically he didn't seem too happy that there was less PP time and less TOI for him with the new TDL signings. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but I got a weird vibe from that article.
Glen Sathers Cigar
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Yeah, that was a nice play by Chytil but that was more of an exception of this weekend for him. More often he would either flub a pass or hold the puck a second too long giving the PKer time to cover whatever lane was open. Even still, on that pass he made to Zib, he had almost flubbed that puck and lost it - the backhand pass he made was off his recovery.
A big thing on the PP is quick decision making so you can capitalize on open lanes and VERY KEY is putting the puck onto your teammates tape so they can do something with it right away without having to settle it down or go skate to stick which delay things. These things may come with time for Chytil but we might not have that long for it to work this season.
What does Kakko think he did to justify PP time over the players who are playing ahead of him?
Dude doesn't do anything with extra minutes so what right does he have to complain?
Hire Sather
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If they can truly get a top 10 or better pick in 2023 for Laf they should do it.
Just because Laf apparently needs 3+ years to be good doesn't mean you can't draft someone who will actually be better right off the bat
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If Kakko deserved PP time we wouldn't have needed to trade for two RWs
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I'm with you until you said pay Miller. He's the definition of a player to bridge for two years. Either he develops into a top pair, $8 million defenseman in two years, and you pay him that then, or he doesn't develop further and he's exactly what he is now. A middle pairing defenseman with great tools that is prone to egregious pinches and brain farts that ends up what he's worth now, which is 4 to 5 million per year. At least by going the bridge route, you maintain flexibility and you can trade the player or extend him if he doesn't develop further. A long term contract will end up costing a million or two more per year to buy up UFA years and you're stuck with him if he stagnates or God forbid regresses. The Rangers don't have the cap flexibility now to sign Miller long term. It's very risky to do anything but bridge him.
To your other point, I'd take Vancouver or Montreal's 2023 1st for Lafreniere and run. Does Drury have the balls?
Keep Kakko. Agree with you there.
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You may very well be right, but translations are notoriously sketchy in that they lag behind some of the contextual nuance associated with some of our words and turns of phrase.
Machinehead
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I don't think it's as black and white as "bad shots, good shots" when we're talking about players shooting for more volume.
Being a threat to shoot more opens up the defense and creates the possibility of puck luck.
You can't tell me NHL defenders don't put themselves in danger to go after shots that should be left alone. That's the culture.
Zibanejad's tip into his own net yesterday is an example of all of the above.
There's inherent value in shooting more even if it's not for quality. And of course that's within reason so spare us whatever ridiculous hypothetical.
Being a threat to shoot more opens up the defense and creates the possibility of puck luck.
You can't tell me NHL defenders don't put themselves in danger to go after shots that should be left alone. That's the culture.
Zibanejad's tip into his own net yesterday is an example of all of the above.
There's inherent value in shooting more even if it's not for quality. And of course that's within reason so spare us whatever ridiculous hypothetical.
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Every line needs at least one player who if the tic tac toe isn't working has the willingness to say 'f*** it' and try to make a play off a deflection/rebound before the end of the shift.
Shit, that's how 99% of goals were scored against us in the "6 goalie system" era. We took everything away from the middle and on the counter-attack but became very vulnerable to floated wrist shots from the point. Deflections, rebounds, and bounces. It isn't pretty but who the hell cares.
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I agree with you, here is the article in finnish. Its rather long so here are just the translated Kakko comments, I can translate the whole thing tomorrow if someone is intrested.
New York Rangers hankki asiantuntijan sanoin ”tähtisadetta” – Kaapo Kakko avoimena vaikeasta tilanteesta: ”Joku ei mahdu enää pelaamaan”
New York Rangers nostettiin viimeistään siirtotakarajan jälkeen mestarikandidaatiksi, mutta ilmoilla on myös kysymysmerkkejä. Kaapo Kakon peliaika on vähentynyt suursiirtojen jälkeen.
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"I expected something like this (regarding the new TDL aquisitions), because we were also active during last years TDL. There were rumours about Kane but Tarasenko and Mikkola came as a total suprise to me. After the Tarasenko and Mikkola signings no one expected Kane anymore. On paper we are much stronger now."
"There might be challenges. It's great to get good players, but that means that lines will change and PP lines will be different. Someone might not play."
"Regarding us, I think we will find our game and improve once we get more practice and all the circus around the new guys calms down. Some games already feel like playoff games"
"It's not easy for the mind. Couple of new guys on the team and I didn't play a single second PP last game. I think however that I deserve PP time. But i don't try to think about that, if the PP works I don't care who is on it, me or someone else."
"There is a lot of excitement inside the team. The new guys have integrated well and expectations are high. Last year it was a surprise to many that we reached the ECF. This year it is expected that we replicate that success. You can see it in everyone's eyes that we want to achieve big things"
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
It's easier that doesn't mean you are only going to take more low danger shots though. As I said Zibanejad's iHDCF also increased when his shot rate increased a few years ago.
Machinehead
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It has significantly added value in the playoffs when the goals all suck.
Machinehead
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Let's take Kakko for instance.
The adjustment we're talking about isn't "hey kid, make sure you hit Jarry in the chest a couple of times to make sure your shots/60 is slightly up."
The adjustment is "when you get the puck in a good area, just release it immediately instead of trying the 4th/5th move or looking to stop it and make a whole ass play when you've intercepted it."
The adjustment we're talking about isn't "hey kid, make sure you hit Jarry in the chest a couple of times to make sure your shots/60 is slightly up."
The adjustment is "when you get the puck in a good area, just release it immediately instead of trying the 4th/5th move or looking to stop it and make a whole ass play when you've intercepted it."
Glen Sathers Cigar
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Mika recently seeming like he's allergic to shooting has been infuriating. We have enough overpassers, he needs to realize that he's at his best when he's letting it fly.
Last year in the playoffs his game took off when he stopped hesitating for the fancy play and was taking his shots when they were there. I'm not talking spamming shots from everywhere, but when he got the puck in the Ozone he was looking shot and anywhere inside the plate he was firing it.
His game tying goal vs Pitt last year he collects the puck in his skates and fires it. If that same play happened the groove he's in right now he would've been looking for a way to pass it to someone else without even considering shot. We NEED him thinking shot, especially if he's going to be playing with Kane and/or Panarin.
Last year in the playoffs his game took off when he stopped hesitating for the fancy play and was taking his shots when they were there. I'm not talking spamming shots from everywhere, but when he got the puck in the Ozone he was looking shot and anywhere inside the plate he was firing it.
His game tying goal vs Pitt last year he collects the puck in his skates and fires it. If that same play happened the groove he's in right now he would've been looking for a way to pass it to someone else without even considering shot. We NEED him thinking shot, especially if he's going to be playing with Kane and/or Panarin.
SA16
Sixstring
Powerplays go up in the playoffs. I don't know the breakdown by type.
HonestGabe
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I recently saw it somewhere (twitter?) that penalty rates are actually the same in the playoffs, maybe only slightly lower.
The games are tighter, magnitude of specific moments obviously increases tenfold. There is more clutching, grabbing, and stick infractions that would normally be called but ultimately are let go. The net sum of it is that we simply notice slashes and hooks more in the post season but there aren't actually less powerplay opportunities.
Machinehead
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Powerplays go up overall but I feel they're more likely to let a blatant penalty go if calling it doesn't fit game management.
I think they're up because there's more of an effort to keep them even.
I think they're up because there's more of an effort to keep them even.
NYR Viper
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I would imagine that as games come to a close and things look out of reach, penalties go WAY up compared to the regular season as well. for example, a team down 5-2 may have a guy take a double minor for roughing or something like that which may skew the numbers.
I'd be curious if anyone could cull the data to the 1st period, 2nd pewriod and half of the 3rd periods compared to the regualr season. Assuming the rough stuff happens in the last 10 minutes of a not-so-close game
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