Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

[leetch99]

Laf Zib Kane
Panarin Trocheck Kakko
Kreider Chytil Vesey
Cuylle Brod ____

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
Mikkola Schneider

Igor
_____

That's what I'd expect for next year. Middle 6 forward and bottom 6 vet or 2 at the deadline

It's a good group

I think the time has come to switch Panarin back to his natural wing and maybe stop some of his backhanded pass attempts .I don't care where on the RW...maybe even at 3rd line minutes . Kreider can move up a spot and maybe Othmann gets a look in the first 9 games to start and Vesey is back on 4th line .....anyways...as long as Panarin is lessened.....I'm good with it .

 

[IDvsEGO]

I think the time has come to switch Panarin back to his natural wing and maybe stop some of his backhanded pass attempts .I don't care where on the RW...maybe even at 3rd line minutes . Kreider can move up a spot and maybe Othmann gets a look in the first 9 games to start and Vesey is back on 4th line .....anyways...as long as Panarin is lessened.....I'm good with it .

Yes lets take our 11.6 million dollar left wing and move him to 3rd line right wing.
Because that will absolutely generate production.
Is he currently bad to mediocre on defense? Absolutely. hes still producing on pace for a 90 point season.
Want to make it so that he's going to be bad defensively and on pace for a 60 point season, you make that change.
a 31 year old nhl player whos making 11 million isnt suddenly going to reinvent themselves as a player.

Laf zib kakko
Panarin Chytil Kane?
CK trocheck othmann
cuylle _____ Brodz

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Left wing has Panarin and Kreider signed for three more seasons and four seasons respectively. Panarin has a full NMC. The Rangers are stuck with that guy. Kreider has a NMC for one more season. 15 NTC list for the remaining four seasons. The Rangers can't trade Kreider this summer. He controls the situation and the cap will be flat. $6.5M. How many teams have the room? Kreider is still a productive player for the Rangers.

Lafreniere on the 3rd line again next season? Panarin and Kreider will still be 1/2 on the depth chart. Othmann will enter the picture next season. There are too many players on the left side.

The pipeline is dry. Sam Rosen was touting Robertson on Saturday night. Ok Sam.


Hintz plays on the Stars top line with Robertson and Pavelski. They see so many major minutes. Chytil isn't not receiving those quality minutes in NY.

I understand your frustration, but it isn’t that dire. They need to figure out how to get Laf and Kakko in the top 6. Chytil ship has sailed, he’s a 3C here until Trocheck moves down.

 

[The Gloaming]

I understand your frustration, but it isn’t that dire. They need to figure out how to get Laf and Kakko in the top 6. Chytil ship has sailed, he’s a 3C here until Trocheck moves down.

They gave Kappo over half a season to prove he can play top 6, then they went and got 91 and 88 because he proved he can't. He's just not a top 6 player right now.

Laf can be one day, but it's a good thing we have 20 and 10 ahead of him because he just doesn't make offensive plays like those 2 do.

Kreider especially gets so much shit on these boards and all he does is score big goals for this team.

 

[Fitzy]

They gave Kappo over half a season to prove he can play top 6, then they went and got 91 and 88 because he proved he can't. He's just not a top 6 player right now.

Laf can be one day, but it's a good thing we have 20 and 10 ahead of him because he just doesn't make offensive plays like those 2 do.

Kreider especially gets so much shit on these boards and all he does is score big goals for this team.

Disagree with this analysis of the deadline deals.

Drury wanted one guy, lucked into two. In addition, he's going for the cup this year. I don't know anyone who seriously thinks NYR are keeping either RW to an extension.

The idea being to 'stack up' at the deadline and have guys in positions lower than they would be on a standard NHL roster (IE McDonagh on Tampa's 2nd pairing, Klein on NYR's third pairing, etc. Everyone wants the depth.

 

[IDvsEGO]

They gave Kappo over half a season to prove he can play top 6, then they went and got 91 and 88 because he proved he can't. He's just not a top 6 player right now.

Laf can be one day, but it's a good thing we have 20 and 10 ahead of him because he just doesn't make offensive plays like those 2 do.

Kreider especially gets so much shit on these boards and all he does is score big goals for this team.

They gave kakko like 20 games in the top 6, and gallant kept throwing him back with laf and chytil.
Kakko was producing in the top 6, this isnt a kakko issue its a gallant issue.
Chytil also had a flash when he was with panarin, and that was one of our best lines, for the brief game they were together.

Gallant may actually be worse than Quinn about seeing kids play up in the lineup.

 

[Bruner4329]

They gave Kappo over half a season to prove he can play top 6, then they went and got 91 and 88 because he proved he can't. He's just not a top 6 player right now.

Laf can be one day, but it's a good thing we have 20 and 10 ahead of him because he just doesn't make offensive plays like those 2 do.

Kreider especially gets so much shit on these boards and all he does is score big goals for this team.

Spot on. Posters are blinded by their hatred of certain players and yet keep praising guys that have been total crap. Chytil has disappeared again and both him and Laf have been brutal defensive players. Both yesterday and the prior game in Buffalo they had so many give aways in the defensive zone it was sickening.

Chytil is the Ottawa version of Mika. Give it a year or 2 as our 3C and we’ll reap the benefits

He has been in the league 6 years now and he still is a defensive liability. Forget the fact he disappears offensively too often but by now he should know what to do defensively. He almost cost us the game in Buffalo and he had several TOs in Pittsburgh as well.

 

[Bruner4329]

My notes on the kids:

Chytil looked great in that PP bumper slot. I’d love to see more of it. Was it a flash or did we find something there? It would be nice to get him hot again. I could see him working well with Kane.

Can Kakko do something? Anything? It’s not a good sign when your 2OA is consistently outshined by Jimmy Vesey. Please don’t find some obscure XY=GA+W formula and tell me he’s been the best player on the ice since December. The kid has got to start producing in some capacity. If you told me he’s been out of the lineup the last 3 months, I’d honestly have to stop and think for a second. I can’t even recall a mildly impactful play he’s made recently. I wouldn’t mind sending him for a conditioning stint in the AHL. Let Goodrow play in his spot and put in a temporary 4C.

Lafreniere has picked it up of late. Hopefully he can continue upward. I wasn’t hoping for Andrew Ladd when we drafted him, but right now that’s be a win.

Must have been watching the wrong team. FC and Laff were brutal the last 2 games especially on the defensive side. Watching FC on the PP I get the feeling he is lost at times and not sure where to set up.

 

[The Gloaming]

Disagree with this analysis of the deadline deals.

Drury wanted one guy, lucked into two. In addition, he's going for the cup this year. I don't know anyone who seriously thinks NYR are keeping either RW to an extension.

The idea being to 'stack up' at the deadline and have guys in positions lower than they would be on a standard NHL roster (IE McDonagh on Tampa's 2nd pairing, Klein on NYR's third pairing, etc. Everyone wants the depth.

yes obviously the goal was to only get one of 91 or 88 and we lucked into both.

It's exactly because we're going for a cup this year that Drury didn't want Kakko in the top 6.

Vesey looked better in the top 6 than Kakko and he was going to stay there if Kane didn't throw a tantrum when we made the Tarasenko deal.

 

[SA16]

They gave kakko like 20 games in the top 6, and gallant kept throwing him back with laf and chytil.
Kakko was producing in the top 6, this isnt a kakko issue its a gallant issue.
Chytil also had a flash when he was with panarin, and that was one of our best lines, for the brief game they were together.

Gallant may actually be worse than Quinn about seeing kids play up in the lineup.

Kakko pts/60 this year with his centers:

Mika: 1.76 (340 mins)
Chytil: 1.72 (413 min)
Trocheck: 0.75 (80 min)

With Panarin: 0.00 (96 min)

Not really seeing this whole thing of him producing in the top six and not with Chytil.

 

[The Gloaming]

They gave kakko like 20 games in the top 6, and gallant kept throwing him back with laf and chytil.
Kakko was producing in the top 6, this isnt a kakko issue its a gallant issue.
Chytil also had a flash when he was with panarin, and that was one of our best lines, for the brief game they were together.

Gallant may actually be worse than Quinn about seeing kids play up in the lineup.

This is true to an extent - the 20-93-24 line was very good at generating chances, they were just ice cold and didn't get any shooting luck.

The fact is that our coach and FO don't seem to be on the same page regarding anything.

The kids are too inconsistent to be top 6 fixtures. When Jimmy Vesey can out play them every night he gets put into the top 6, what does that say to management?

 

[IronBloodedLion]

Kakko has struggled lately, but he’s been good on every line he’s played on.

He’s incredibly streaky, I’ll give people that, but to say he hasn’t played well in a Top 6 role is silly. He’s continually back with Laf and Chytil because it’s worked. We forget that he was a huge part of Chytils goal scoring streak.

 

[Leonardo87]

Drury has basically showed how much faith he has with the kids. He added two Top 6 guys at the TDL to play up there

I feel they still need more time to gel the Top 6. It’s actually pretty interesting that we had issues with the 4th line and not so much the Top 6, but now the 4th line has been great and looks set but there is concern with the Top 6/9.

Hopefully these things get figured out by the time April rolls around.

 

[Machinehead]

Drury has basically showed how much faith he has with the kids. He added two Top 6 guys at the TDL to play up there

I feel they still need more time to gel the Top 6. It’s actually pretty interesting that we had issues with the 4th line and not so much the Top 6, but now the 4th line has been great and looks set but there is concern with the Top 6/9.

Hopefully these things get figured out by the time April rolls around.

The talent is there. They just need lines that work.

I know kicking the coach around is a tired trope but we've had nothing but non-starter line combos in recent weeks, and it really makes some of our most effective players non-factors.

It's just a funny thing about hockey. A line with three good players can be really bad and then you have zero good players.

 

[NYR Viper]

The talent is there. They just need lines that work.

I know kicking the coach around is a tired trope but we've had nothing but non-starter line combos in recent weeks, and it really makes some of our most effective players non-factors.

It's just a funny thing about hockey. A line with three good players can be really bad and then you have zero good players.

I don't see the lack of skill or too many one-dimensional skill players. I see bad line combos also...

In theory:

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kane
Panarin-Chytil-Tarasenko
Kreider-Trochek-Kaako
Motte-Goodrow-Vesey

Out the LH RW Kane with the RH shooting center in Zibanejad and Lafreneire
Put the RH LW Panarin with Chytil and Tarasenko
3rd line is matchup line with Kaako as the distributor to two guys who retrieve pucks and get to the net

The issue comes up when the coaching staff tries to throw Tarasenko who is a RW on a line with a RH center who also likes to shoot in Zibanejad and when the try to force Kane and Panarin together who appear like they want to pass the puck into the net.

 

[Machinehead]

I don't see the lack of skill or too many one-dimensional skill players. I see bad line combos also...

In theory:

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kane
Panarin-Chytil-Tarasenko
Kreider-Trochek-Kaako
Motte-Goodrow-Vesey

Out the LH RW Kane with the RH shooting center in Zibanejad and Lafreneire
Put the RH LW Panarin with Chytil and Tarasenko
3rd line is matchup line with Kaako as the distributor to two guys who retrieve pucks and get to the net

The issue comes up when the coaching staff tries to throw Tarasenko who is a RW on a line with a RH center who also likes to shoot in Zibanejad and when the try to force Kane and Panarin together who appear like they want to pass the puck into the net.

There's so many ways it works and Gallant keeps going with the 1.5 ways it doesn't work.

I think the biggest problem is that he limits his own options having to keep the f***ing Kid Line together.

I don't think it's a terrible line but the absolute marriage to it as if it's Straka-Nylander-Jagr or the West Coast Express is over the top.

 

[The Gloaming]

There's so many ways it works and Gallant keeps going with the 1.5 ways it doesn't work.

I think the biggest problem is that he limits his own options having to keep the f***ing Kid Line together.

I don't think it's a terrible line but the absolute marriage to it as if it's Straka-Nylander-Jagr or the West Coast Express is over the top.

He's also married to duos that just don't work.

Mika-Tarasenko doesn't work
Panarin-anyone-Kane doesn't work

Stop putting those together all the time please.

 

[Leonardo87]

The talent is there. They just need lines that work.

I know kicking the coach around is a tired trope but we've had nothing but non-starter line combos in recent weeks, and it really makes some of our most effective players non-factors.

It's just a funny thing about hockey. A line with three good players can be really bad and then you have zero good players.

I also hope the Strome with Panarin debates settle down. We made the right decision to move on from Strome. Btw I shared your chart with the Ducks forum hope that’s ok with you. Lol

They pretty much were like, yup, when they saw it. Lol

 

[Machinehead]

He's also married to duos that just don't work.

Mika-Tarasenko doesn't work
Panarin-anyone-Kane doesn't work

Stop putting those together all the time please.

Panarin-Kane I kind of get, because it did work once upon a time. Of course, you have to take into account that that was seven years ago when Panarin was an undrafted free agent and nobody had any clue on how to defend him.

Zibanejad-Tarsenko is just toothpaste and orange juice. You should know that's not gonna work without having to see it.

Maybe Panarin-Zibanejad-Tarasenko, I'd be willing to give more time. Kreider-Zibanejad-Tarasenko is three volume shooters fighting over one puck and nobody to distribute. Again, a coach should know that doesn't work without having to see it.

It reminds me of when CBJ traded for Jeff Carter and did a victory lap over "we finally got a center for Nash." Yeah, nothing-but-shoot Rick Nash and nothing-but-shoot Jeff Carter.

 

[Machinehead]

I also hope the Strome with Panarin debates settle down. We made the right decision to move on from Strome. Btw I shared your chart with the Ducks forum hope that’s ok with you. Lol

They pretty much were like, yup, when they saw it. Lol

Oh that's fine. They're not my charts lol.

 

[McRanger92]

Left wing has Panarin and Kreider signed for three more seasons and four seasons respectively. Panarin has a full NMC. The Rangers are stuck with that guy. Kreider has a NMC for one more season. 15 NTC list for the remaining four seasons. The Rangers can't trade Kreider this summer. He controls the situation and the cap will be flat. $6.5M. How many teams have the room? Kreider is still a productive player for the Rangers.

Lafreniere on the 3rd line again next season? Panarin and Kreider will still be 1/2 on the depth chart. Othmann will enter the picture next season. There are too many players on the left side.

The pipeline is dry. Sam Rosen was touting Robertson on Saturday night. Ok Sam.


Hintz plays on the Stars top line with Robertson and Pavelski. They see so many major minutes. Chytil isn't not receiving those quality minutes in NY.

I don’t see any of what you said as a bad thing for the org honestly.

 

[duhmetreE]

Where is this roster going? How do the Rangers move forward? They have no money. They have so many restriction clauses.

Stacked lineup? The roster is flawed. Too many soft one dimensional players. Blaming the coach is easy.

Coaching is flawed. Roster is unbalanced but it’s easily corrected. Instead of Kane you get a player hard to play against.

Cuylle and Othmann on the way. Pain in the ass players.

Like I’ve been saying for months… we should’ve traded for Chychrun. Adding a to mobile PMD would have changed the teams dynamic.

Everything fits fine. Cap is going up and kids are getting bridged.

Hopefully have a coach that can teach a team to break out, transition and attack using 21st century tactics next season

 

[The Gloaming]

Panarin-Kane I kind of get, because it did work once upon a time. Of course, you have to take into account that that was seven years ago when Panarin was an undrafted free agent and nobody had any clue on how to defend him.

Zibanejad-Tarsenko is just toothpaste and orange juice. You should know that's not gonna work without having to see it.

Maybe Panarin-Zibanejad-Tarasenko, I'd be willing to give more time. Kreider-Zibanejad-Tarasenko is three volume shooters fighting over one puck and nobody to distribute. Again, a coach should know that doesn't work without having to see it.

It reminds me of when CBJ traded for Jeff Carter and did a victory lap over "we finally got a center for Nash." Yeah, nothing-but-shoot Rick Nash and nothing-but-shoot Jeff Carter.

Panarin was more of a shooter back then. That is undeniable. Now it's just two guys who want to pass the puck 80ft back and forth to each other.

I would also say we can give 10-93-91 more time but there are definitely better options. He should keep the Kreider-Tro-Kane line and see if they can stay good together but just out of curiosity's sake, how is it that this caveman moron hasn't tried Kane with Kreider and Mika yet? Like just pure curiosity should get the better of you if you have that kind of line available.

I don’t see any of what you said as a bad thing for the org honestly.

Nah bro. We should totally trade the guy who has done nothing but score bigtime goals for us for over a decade so that Laf can get more ice time. Totally.

 

[NYR Viper]

Coaching is flawed. Roster is unbalanced but it’s easily corrected. Instead of Kane you get a player hard to play against.

Cuylle and Othmann on the way. Pain in the ass players.

Like I’ve been saying for months… we should’ve traded for Chychrun. Adding a to mobile PMD would have changed the teams dynamic.

Everything fits fine. Cap is going up and kids are getting bridged.

Hopefully have a coach that can teach a team to break out, transition and attack using 21st century tactics next season

Honestly, if they just distribute the lines better and inject 1 or 2 guys who play with a bit more edge, the team looks fine.

I keep running scenarios for next season and this fits:

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kane
Panarin-Chytil-
Kreider-Trochek-Kaako
Cuylle-Brodzinski-Vesey

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Mikkola-Schneider
Harpur

Shesty
Domingue

Go find a couple of vets looking to rebound on a short term deal to fill a role. Vesey could move up to that Panarin line and do fine there but I'd be looking at guys like Jesper Fast, Connor Brown, Patrick Hornqvist, Connor Sheary. Find someone who will cost a minimal amount and get (2) of them. Maybe even sign Lars Eller and push Trochek up to RW on that line to help cover on faceoffs.

 

[JimmyG89]

4th line is perfect, leave them alone and you'll get more and more games like that one.

The Kreider-Trocheck-Kane line was fantastic in the 3rd. Those two guys are hard workers and are definitely elevating Kane's play while covering his deficiencies. You've got two north/south players with good speed playing with a great passer and someone that can add that east/west element to the line. I do think Trocheck and Mika could be swapped here if you want to. Lafreniere-Chytil-Kane did not work, I thought it would, but it was bad.

Now they've got to figure out what to do with the other 6 forwards. Panarin-Zibanejad-Tarasenko got a ton of time 5v5 yesterday and it was basically even possession wise, but not sure there was a ton of great chances there (the Tarasenko post was the biggest one). The line did get better later in the game, so maybe it took a little time. Kid line didn't get a ton of ice together, but they gave up nothing, didn't generate much. I do happen to think they are very close to getting optimal lines.

You probably roll those lines again going into Tuesday. If you need to swap these things around, I'd probably go in this direction.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kane
Panarin-Trocheck-Tarasenko
Lafreniere-Chytil-Kakko
Motte-Goodrow-Vesey