Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

[LokiDog]

I just don’t agree with your take at all. You cannot compare Chytil as year 5/6 to Hintz “in his sophomore year”- the years in the league is a distraction, you have to do it by age. Chytil is 23. You’re talking about Hintz’s age 24 season. Let’s see where Fil is next year. I think he’s trending that way. Prob end around 22-25 goals this year and close to 40 points. As a 3C with limited PP time.

As far as play style, I don’t see Malkin or Strome at all. Not even remotely. I see Roope. Fast, good shot. Chytil is also pretty decent defensively but he needs to improve there as well. And he needs to pack on some muscle

I don’t think Chytil is good defensively at all. He tries and isn’t a floater but he has no defensive IQ. He doesn’t play physically. He isn’t good on the draw. The only thing he has in common with Hintz is speed (Hintz is faster). His production relative to age may mirror Hintz’s trajectory but I don’t think he’ll ever reach the ceiling Hintz has. But stylistically, he looks like Malkin on the ice. Good shot, kind of upright and lanky, shows good hands on the rush, but poor on draws, not physically engaged, not good defensively.

Style-wise he doesn’t remind me of Strome - what I was saying is that when you aren’t as talented as Malkin but don’t do the little things like Hintz, you end up like Strome. As in a guy who can put up 50-60 points, which is 2C production, but you’re always going to be disappointed if he’s your 2C because he doesn’t do anything else. Right now, Chytil is in that boat. He may reach 50 points next year but he doesn’t impact the game if he isn’t producing. If Hintz offense hadn’t blossomed, he would still be an ideal middle six center because he does all of the little things that impact the game all over the ice.

His production may follow Hintz‘s production at their respective ages, but I don’t think he is anything like Hintz. Fil has 119 career hits and 130 blocks in 310 career games. Hintz has 335 hits and 170 blocks in 297 games. He has 8 SH goals. He has 75 EV goals. Chytil has played more NHL games and has 62 goals, total. I get that you feel age is on Fil’s side but Hintz was a great two way player and physical force on day 1 and the offense came later. He actually has been less physical since becoming a genuine 1st line center. Chytil isn’t going to become a physical player at this point. I don’t think he’s ever going to be getting Selke votes. I don’t see any Hintz. I just see a fast center who can shoot. Hintz put up 43 points in 41 games at 24. The following year he scored 72. If you think Fil is going to be above point per game or anything close to it next year at 24, despite having significantly more experience already at that age, I don’t see it.

 

[McRanger92]

I don’t think Chytil is good defensively at all. He tries and isn’t a floater but he has no defensive IQ. He doesn’t play physically. He isn’t good on the draw. The only thing he has in common with Hintz. His production relative to age may mirror Hintz’s trajectory but I don’t think he’ll ever reach the ceiling Hintz has. But stylistically, he looks like Malkin on the ice. Good shot, kind of upright and lanky, shows good hands on the rush, but poor on draws, not physically engaged, not good defensively.

Style-wise he doesn’t remind me of Strome - what I was saying is that when you aren’t as talented as Malkin but don’t do the little things like Hintz, you end up like Strome. As in a guy who can put up 50-60 points, which is 2C production, but you’re always going to be disappointed if he’s your 2C because he doesn’t do anything else. Right now, Chytil is in that boat. He may reach 50 points next year but he doesn’t impact the game if he isn’t producing. If Hintz offense hadn’t blossomed, he would still be an ideal middle six center because he does all of the little things that impact the game all over the ice.

His production may follow Hintz‘s production at their respective ages, but I don’t think he is anything like Hintz. Fil has 119 career hits and 130 blocks in 310 career games. Hintz has 335 hits and 170 blocks in 297 games. He has 8 SH goals. He has 75 EV goals. Chytil has played more NHL games and has 62 goals, total. I get that you feel age is on Fil’s side but Hintz was a great two way player and physical force on day 1 and the offense came later. He actually has been less physical since becoming a genuine 1st line center. Chytil isn’t going to become a physical player at this point. I don’t think he’s ever going to be getting Selke votes. I don’t see any Hintz. I just see a fast center who can shoot.

Chytil is the Ottawa version of Mika. Give it a year or 2 as our 3C and we’ll reap the benefits

 

[LokiDog]

Chytil is the Ottawa version of Mika. Give it a year or 2 as our 3C and we’ll reap the benefits

Mika scored 46 points as a 21 year old and 50 as a 22 year old. Chytil is 23 and just broke 30 points for the first time in his career - in 2 years he’ll be 25. When Mika was 25 he scored 74 points. I just don’t see it with Fil. He’s going to be closer to Strome than Zib. He doesn’t use his size. He sucks on faceoffs. He’s even less physical than Strome. He’s not good defensively.

He doesn’t have the confidence to use his good size and speed to dominate and he isn’t well rounded enough to be a balanced and versatile center. He’s going to be a Wennberg type, not a Zibanejad breakout, IMO.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Would it be too bold to fire Gallant at this point? A new coach could put us over the top

The real ballsy move is to fire Gallant and then hire Gerard Gallant. He'd whip these p***yes right into shape.

 

[Go Rangers]

This is unbecoming of a poster with your stature. Be mad at Gorton and JD for signing Panarin, Trouba, Kreider but the ink is dry. Drury is playing well with the cards he was dealt by his predecessor

Or even worse, his boss dolan.

 

[Go Rangers]

Kreider and Kane look like they have some chemistry. Panarin needs to figure it out ASAP. The kids finally showed some flashes in the 3rd period.

Hopefully things will start to gel this week. Lindgren’s return should help.

I missed the game. Did the refs help out Pittsburgh as usual?

 

[Guyute]

I missed the game. Did the refs help out Pittsburgh as usual?

No, they shockingly helped us today. First time the Penrefs actually friendly fired.

 

[xsniper11x]

That 3rd period with those line combos provided a much needed ray of light for how good this team can be. Assuming the Kid Line can find their mojo again, then all we need is Bread-Z-Tank to be solid, not even spectacular, to really have something here. Hopefully it’s the start of something and not a head fake.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Mika scored 46 points as a 21 year old and 50 as a 22 year old. Chytil is 23 and just broke 30 points for the first time in his career - in 2 years he’ll be 25. When Mika was 25 he scored 74 points. I just don’t see it with Fil. He’s going to be closer to Strome than Zib. He doesn’t use his size. He sucks on faceoffs. He’s even less physical than Strome. He’s not good defensively.

He doesn’t have the confidence to use his good size and speed to dominate and he isn’t well rounded enough to be a balanced and versatile center. He’s going to be a Wennberg type, not a Zibanejad breakout, IMO.

He needs to move to wing. Simplify the game for him by reducing his defensive responsibilities.

 

[LokiDog]

He needs to move to wing. Simplify the game for him by reducing his defensive responsibilities.

He would be better off as a north-south speedy winger with a strong shot who has good hands in tight. He’s not much of a center. He can’t crack 40% on the dot and it’s not like he’s making three zone reads or doing much that would dictate he needs to play center. He could be similar to Kreider with slightly better hands but less physicality. He could play like an Alex Tuch or Timo Meier type of winger and likely do very well by taking those responsibilities away from him and just telling him to turn on the jets, use his size to drive the net (like Gauthier) and don’t be afraid of showing off that shot. That should be the coaching mandate to Chytil honestly.

Don’t be afraid to rush the puck and use your speed. Don’t hesitate to use your shot. Like please. Don’t try to get another assist all year. You may, but don’t try. Literally spend every game trying to either get as many shots as you can or skating the puck directly into the net. That’s all I want to see from you for the final 15 games or so.

 

[effen]

Does Drury have the balls to deal either top 2 pick? I would've traded Lafreniere to Montreal for their unprotected 2023 1st last summer at a time they would have entertained it. Ship has sailed there.

Why do you think they would have entertained it? Seems very dubious.

 

[tomobson]

He needs to move to wing. Simplify the game for him by reducing his defensive responsibilities.

I wanted to give Chytil a shot a RW with Panarin/Trocheck earlier in the season but unfortunately the rangers don't have a better center to play 3c than Chytil. Besides faceoffs, I don't really see Chytil as a weak center but that Panarin line desperately needed a shooter and he was the best option there. I think Chytil is a more than fine 3c that can even pinch in as a 2c if needed but he's not consistent enough and that consistency will come as he matures more. The problem is that his inconsistencies are highlighted because he's consistently playing with other young players who are young and inconsistent. Out of the trio, Chytil has had the least issues producing in a top six role, either at center or wing. If the rangers re-sign him next season and Kakko and Laf are still struggling I'm moving Chytil to top six RW and finding a UFA 3c. It'll be cheaper than trying to buy a top six RW.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Once again, Chytil stays at center at least for another year or two. There really aren't other options.

Do you sign Compher or Gaudreau (the Nashville one) as a stopgap UFA?

Do you try and make a trade with LA for Turcotte, Helenius, or even Byfield?

Take a flyer on Nolan Patrick because you know, he has Ranger bloodlines and hope he can stay healthy?

Grubbe isn't even signed now and while I expect him to sign prior to end of season, you can't go into the summer and give him the 3C.

 

[LokiDog]

Once again, Chytil stays at center at least for another year or two. There really aren't other options.

Do you sign Compher or Gaudreau (the Nashville one) as a stopgap UFA?

Do you try and make a trade with LA for Turcotte, Helenius, or even Byfield?

Take a flyer on Nolan Patrick because you know, he has Ranger bloodlines and hope he can stay healthy?

Grubbe isn't even signed now and while I expect him to sign prior to end of season, you can't go into the summer and give him the 3C.

Someone like Gaudreau is a perfect 3C and Chytil playing wing in the top six is cheaper than trying to find an actual top six winger. It’s not the worst plan.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Someone like Gaudreau is a perfect 3C and Chytil playing wing in the top six is cheaper than trying to find an actual top six winger. It’s not the worst plan.

The only issue is this is his cash out contract. He might be a late bloomer, but he could also go back to his normal production. It would be a little risky to trade Goordow and...give Gaudreau the Goodrow contract.

I'm having Scott Fraser flashbacks.

 

[bbny]

The idea of Chytil moving to wing only exists because the Rangers have 2 top 6C, they need RW talent long term, and they could use some more defensive mindedness in the bottom 6. None of which is Chytil's problem to solve. While it's logical based on the Rangers' needs, it doesn't necessarily fit what Chytil wants or what he is. The leverage is entirely in his hands because he can walk himself right to UFA at 25 y.o.

IMO he will continue being a center, and if the Rangers don't like what he offers there with the current roster makeup, they will trade him. I think he's going to be a top 6 C here or elsewhere. I prefer that to be here. He'll naturally take over Trocheck at some point.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

I don’t think Chytil is good defensively at all. He tries and isn’t a floater but he has no defensive IQ. He doesn’t play physically. He isn’t good on the draw. The only thing he has in common with Hintz is speed (Hintz is faster). His production relative to age may mirror Hintz’s trajectory but I don’t think he’ll ever reach the ceiling Hintz has. But stylistically, he looks like Malkin on the ice. Good shot, kind of upright and lanky, shows good hands on the rush, but poor on draws, not physically engaged, not good defensively.

Style-wise he doesn’t remind me of Strome - what I was saying is that when you aren’t as talented as Malkin but don’t do the little things like Hintz, you end up like Strome. As in a guy who can put up 50-60 points, which is 2C production, but you’re always going to be disappointed if he’s your 2C because he doesn’t do anything else. Right now, Chytil is in that boat. He may reach 50 points next year but he doesn’t impact the game if he isn’t producing. If Hintz offense hadn’t blossomed, he would still be an ideal middle six center because he does all of the little things that impact the game all over the ice.

His production may follow Hintz‘s production at their respective ages, but I don’t think he is anything like Hintz. Fil has 119 career hits and 130 blocks in 310 career games. Hintz has 335 hits and 170 blocks in 297 games. He has 8 SH goals. He has 75 EV goals. Chytil has played more NHL games and has 62 goals, total. I get that you feel age is on Fil’s side but Hintz was a great two way player and physical force on day 1 and the offense came later. He actually has been less physical since becoming a genuine 1st line center. Chytil isn’t going to become a physical player at this point. I don’t think he’s ever going to be getting Selke votes. I don’t see any Hintz. I just see a fast center who can shoot. Hintz put up 43 points in 41 games at 24. The following year he scored 72. If you think Fil is going to be above point per game or anything close to it next year at 24, despite having significantly more experience already at that age, I don’t see it.

I think Hintz is much better defensively- I agree with you there. But Chytil is underrated defensively. He’s a hustler and his positioning is adequate. He’s not a negative on defense by any means. You pointed to one play where he was at fault or arguably at fault. I can do that for any single player in the league.

Understand your clarification on Strome.

I just disagree, it’s fine. I think that style of player is chytil’s upside. You can’t say things like “from day one” he was elite defensively, it’s just not true but also chytil’s day 1 he was 18. Of course he wasn’t good defensively. He’s getting there.

He’s big, fast, has a great shot and a great work ethic. That screams Hintz to me. Malkin is more of a bull- I don’t see him at all in chytil’s game.

I do think that’s chytil’s upside. He probably won’t reach any of those pt projections bc he’ll be buried on the depth chart. But I would not be surprised if he’s dealt if he becomes a 30G 60 point center who’s a solid two way player.

I also think he’s more physical than you’re giving him credit for. He doesn’t hit as much but he drives the net and forechecks hard. He uses his body around the net. He needs to put on some muscle to use his size and leverage more.

 

[Barnaby]

My notes on the kids:

Chytil looked great in that PP bumper slot. I’d love to see more of it. Was it a flash or did we find something there? It would be nice to get him hot again. I could see him working well with Kane.

Can Kakko do something? Anything? It’s not a good sign when your 2OA is consistently outshined by Jimmy Vesey. Please don’t find some obscure XY=GA+W formula and tell me he’s been the best player on the ice since December. The kid has got to start producing in some capacity. If you told me he’s been out of the lineup the last 3 months, I’d honestly have to stop and think for a second. I can’t even recall a mildly impactful play he’s made recently. I wouldn’t mind sending him for a conditioning stint in the AHL. Let Goodrow play in his spot and put in a temporary 4C.

Lafreniere has picked it up of late. Hopefully he can continue upward. I wasn’t hoping for Andrew Ladd when we drafted him, but right now that’s be a win.

 

[Barnaby]

The idea of Chytil moving to wing only exists because the Rangers have 2 top 6C, they need RW talent long term, and they could use some more defensive mindedness in the bottom 6. None of which is Chytil's problem to solve. While it's logical based on the Rangers' needs, it doesn't necessarily fit what Chytil wants or what he is. The leverage is entirely in his hands because he can walk himself right to UFA at 25 y.o.

IMO he will continue being a center, and if the Rangers don't like what he offers there with the current roster makeup, they will trade him. I think he's going to be a top 6 C here or elsewhere. I prefer that to be here. He'll naturally take over Trocheck at some point.

Chytil likely stays at C because the Rangers have been adamant he’s a C for years now. I doubt they do a 180 now 15 games from the playoffs. Goodrow also isn’t suited to be a long term fit at 3C. Although I’ve thought Chytil’s game was more suitable to the wing for years now… It’s not happening. Def not this season. Probably not ever.

Chytil has “all the leverage?” In regards to his lineup position? Are you kidding me? He’s a pending RFA. Even if he were headed to UFA, he’d be playing wherever the NYR feel he best fits the team. If he had all this “leverage” to effect the lineup then he’d be on PP1. They just moved for Tarasenko and Kane. They aren’t leaving Chytil where he wants because if “leverage” if they think he’s better suited elsewhere. Not to mention, if the Rangers said they wanted to try him on Zibby’s wing he’d probably be overjoyed as it likely comes with a jump in point production. The Rangers have moved Kane from Panarin, Kreider from Zib, Tarasenko from Zib, and Kane to the 3rd line. You really think Chytils position in the lineup is guaranteed because he “could” be a free agent in a couple years.

 

[RangerBoy]

to become wise you must become a fool.

You're speakin nonsense and acting out like a child. 'Trade everyone. Trade the kids. Give up. Lets go back to the dark ages.' Relax.

We have a stacked lineup. The problem is the coaching staff and roster do not mix. The coaching staff is literally letting players 'figure it out'. It's borderline asinine. Everyone wants Kakko with Zibs and Kreider... It's a coaching issue again. Everyone would like the kids scattered through out the top9... it's a coaching decision again. We look disjointed and are an absolute Chinese Fire Drill at 5v5... coaching.

We have a deep top9. We desperately need another PMD... Some fool recommended getting a PMD like Chychrun... That's the biggest need, roster wise, right now, moving forward.

It's either the players figure it out on their own, and we succeed in the playoffs.... or they don't and we finally get a competent 2023 NHL coaching staff next season.

Where is this roster going? How do the Rangers move forward? They have no money. They have so many restriction clauses.

Stacked lineup? The roster is flawed. Too many soft one dimensional players. Blaming the coach is easy.

 

[RangerBoy]

How do the rangers move forward? Kane and Tarasenko are unsigned. There’s a spot for Kakko in the top 6 if he can finally show he can handle it. Chytil isn’t a top 6 C right now for a team that wants to win. I love him but watch him on the Thompson chance Igor saved yesterday. Completely lost defensively. These guys are still growing. Acting like the deadline moves changed anything about the long-term plan is being facetious just because you didn’t like the moves. The pipeline is still stocked and we’ve maintained our firsts the next 2 years. Don’t have another freak out over a conditional pick. The team is more than fine now and later

Left wing has Panarin and Kreider signed for three more seasons and four seasons respectively. Panarin has a full NMC. The Rangers are stuck with that guy. Kreider has a NMC for one more season. 15 NTC list for the remaining four seasons. The Rangers can't trade Kreider this summer. He controls the situation and the cap will be flat. $6.5M. How many teams have the room? Kreider is still a productive player for the Rangers.

Lafreniere on the 3rd line again next season? Panarin and Kreider will still be 1/2 on the depth chart. Othmann will enter the picture next season. There are too many players on the left side.

The pipeline is dry. Sam Rosen was touting Robertson on Saturday night. Ok Sam.

I don’t think Chytil is good defensively at all. He tries and isn’t a floater but he has no defensive IQ. He doesn’t play physically. He isn’t good on the draw. The only thing he has in common with Hintz is speed (Hintz is faster). His production relative to age may mirror Hintz’s trajectory but I don’t think he’ll ever reach the ceiling Hintz has. But stylistically, he looks like Malkin on the ice. Good shot, kind of upright and lanky, shows good hands on the rush, but poor on draws, not physically engaged, not good defensively.

Style-wise he doesn’t remind me of Strome - what I was saying is that when you aren’t as talented as Malkin but don’t do the little things like Hintz, you end up like Strome. As in a guy who can put up 50-60 points, which is 2C production, but you’re always going to be disappointed if he’s your 2C because he doesn’t do anything else. Right now, Chytil is in that boat. He may reach 50 points next year but he doesn’t impact the game if he isn’t producing. If Hintz offense hadn’t blossomed, he would still be an ideal middle six center because he does all of the little things that impact the game all over the ice.

His production may follow Hintz‘s production at their respective ages, but I don’t think he is anything like Hintz. Fil has 119 career hits and 130 blocks in 310 career games. Hintz has 335 hits and 170 blocks in 297 games. He has 8 SH goals. He has 75 EV goals. Chytil has played more NHL games and has 62 goals, total. I get that you feel age is on Fil’s side but Hintz was a great two way player and physical force on day 1 and the offense came later. He actually has been less physical since becoming a genuine 1st line center. Chytil isn’t going to become a physical player at this point. I don’t think he’s ever going to be getting Selke votes. I don’t see any Hintz. I just see a fast center who can shoot. Hintz put up 43 points in 41 games at 24. The following year he scored 72. If you think Fil is going to be above point per game or anything close to it next year at 24, despite having significantly more experience already at that age, I don’t see it.

Hintz plays on the Stars top line with Robertson and Pavelski. They see so many major minutes. Chytil isn't not receiving those quality minutes in NY.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

2023/4 TeMpLaTe

Krieds Mika Kakko
Pan Tro Chyti
Laf xxxx Vesey
Whoever x Goodrow Baby Cuylle

Lind Fox
Miller Tuba
Xxx Schnieder

 

[haohmaru]

This team plays like donkey balls when Lindgren is out of the lineup.

But, yeah sure, let’s trade him for cap space.

Also, Trouba has been our best defenseman over the past few weeks.

 

[Crease]

Lindgren is like the rug in The Big Lebowski. He really ties the room together.

 

[bbny]

Chytil likely stays at C because the Rangers have been adamant he’s a C for years now. I doubt they do a 180 now 15 games from the playoffs. Goodrow also isn’t suited to be a long term fit at 3C. Although I’ve thought Chytil’s game was more suitable to the wing for years now… It’s not happening. Def not this season. Probably not ever.

Chytil has “all the leverage?” In regards to his lineup position? Are you kidding me? He’s a pending RFA. Even if he were headed to UFA, he’d be playing wherever the NYR feel he best fits the team. If he had all this “leverage” to effect the lineup then he’d be on PP1. They just moved for Tarasenko and Kane. They aren’t leaving Chytil where he wants because if “leverage” if they think he’s better suited elsewhere. Not to mention, if the Rangers said they wanted to try him on Zibby’s wing he’d probably be overjoyed as it likely comes with a jump in point production. The Rangers have moved Kane from Panarin, Kreider from Zib, Tarasenko from Zib, and Kane to the 3rd line. You really think Chytils position in the lineup is guaranteed because he “could” be a free agent in a couple years.

Right. The discussion is not about this season.

Ok, yes, the Rangers could force him to play wing (and sulk?) on a team trying to compete for a Cup as he walks himself to UFA in 2 years. I don't see the move happening unless Chytil OKs it.