Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

[NYR Viper]

Second pair*

I get what you're saying, but I don't want Johnny f***nuts who "getz to da areaz" and he's just Barclay Goodrow.

He would have to be a 25-35 goal scorer, ideally. Is that out there?

I mean if there is a 35 goal scorer out there who also thrives on playing in traffic, it's a $8m player.

I think the goal would be to find a couple of support guys who thrive in that type of style who may not cost quite as much.

I like the way Tarasenko plays. I like Bertuzzi as well.

A guy like Garland has been discussed. It's possible he is bought out. Or someone like Labanc if there is cap space available.

 

[Machinehead]

Yeah the alternative theory was maybe Panarin trade returns a defenseman that can move the puck with term.

If he didn't have the god damn baggage DeAngelo would be the type of player.

DeAngelo was perfect for this team but he had to be a clown.

Then again, I don't know that he ever would have gotten a spot over Trouba.

That's going to be a huge problem. I could see the Rangers moving Panarin to make a change if they feel one is necessary but the the organization loves Trouba, and honestly, he's barely an NHL defenseman at this point.

He was never good at defending and he hasn't had a standout offensive season since 2019. I think he's hanging on past his expiration date because of physicality and intangibles (and I commend the job he's done as captain).

 

[DanielBrassard]

If we are going to dream about trading players with a nmc, Trouba should be at the top of the list to be jettisoned off this team. He's much more easily replaceable than Panarin and you could add one of those players with the savings who gets to the middle of the ice.

 

[bhamill]

Good. I want a chance at the same core group being magically better if we have a functioning D corps and being smug about it.

I enjoy your posts. Hahaha.

 

[Machinehead]

I mean if there is a 35 goal scorer out there who also thrives on playing in traffic, it's a $8m player.

I think the goal would be to find a couple of support guys who thrive in that type of style who may not cost quite as much.

I like the way Tarasenko plays. I like Bertuzzi as well.

A guy like Garland has been discussed. It's possible he is bought out. Or someone like Labanc if there is cap space available.

The best case scenario would be to do what Tampa is good at - finding that guy before he's that guy.

Maybe Bertuzzi really breaks out but he's already getting exposure on Boston and is a prime candidate to receive a big paycheck where half of it is grit n' things. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I just don't wanna spend cap space on it.

And then if you factor in the NMC, the shenanigans you'd have to do to move Panarin (very limited return), almost certainly retention, I really wonder if it's worth it. If you end up only saving 5.8 and you can't afford to bring in a very good replacement, stick it out with Panarin.

I'd 100% go after Trouba first to clear cap but again, I don't see the team doing that.

 

[Machinehead]

If we are going to dream about trading players with a nmc, Trouba should be at the top of the list to be jettisoned off this team. He's much more easily replaceable than Panarin and you could add one of those players with the savings who gets to the middle of the ice.

Not to mention I think our forwards would all get to the middle of the ice if we got to the other end of the ice once in a while.

 

[Cheapshot]

Not to mention I think our forwards would all get to the middle of the ice if we got to the other end of the ice once in a while.

Exactly instead of entering the zone turning around to try a cross ice pass that gets intercepted 9/10 times…

 

[MrAlmost]

Bunting would be a first class agitator and could change the atmosphere quickly on the left side . Sell Panarin off for half price on the dollar and use the savings to add Bunting and another guy of sorts for the right side . We would need to figure out who can play on the right side and for how long and much . Kane might be in the plan....maybe? Our left side is not that bad....and our right side is a mess now if both Kane and Tarasenko are gone . Drury has lots to think about but we do need to be a nastier club to play against....playoffs are a different beast then reg season. I think Miller could start lugging the puck more and we have to hope Schneider can take another step .

Bunting, Haula, Motte, Heinen, Fast. A dark horse out there, Eyssimont. There are fast, tough players this offseason that could really help change the complexion of this team. 2 or 3 of them would give us the speed to really be a better forechecking team. If we traded Panarin, I would want to see Bunting and Motte. Maybe one more.

 

[Machinehead]

I still wanna try Miller-Fox.

I know Lindgren-Fox is proven but I think Miller and Fox's skillsets are yin and yang. You could always go back to Lindgren-Fox so there's no risk.

In a small sample, Miller-Fox have a 64% xGF and a 66% ass corsi. They have the potential to be one of the most dominant pairs ever.

Lindgren is extremely sound defensively with or without Fox and I think he and some dollar store undersized PMD could make a great better-than-the-sum second pair.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Not to mention I think our forwards would all get to the middle of the ice if we got to the other end of the ice once in a while.

That as well lol. I know we harp on it a bit but this team is legitmately one of the worst in the NHL including the shit teams at exiting the zone with possession. How can you expect to be an effective 5v5 offense when that is the case? it's no coincidence that the most dynamic the Rangers looked offensively in the past 5 years is when they had Fox and DeAngelo. We need that 2nd and even 3rd option on the back-end who can be a factor from the defensive zone into the neutral zone and then move around the offensive zone and be a threat.

 

[NYR Viper]

The best case scenario would be to do what Tampa is good at - finding that guy before he's that guy.

Maybe Bertuzzi really breaks out but he's already getting exposure on Boston and is a prime candidate to receive a big paycheck where half of it is grit n' things. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I just don't wanna spend cap space on it.

And then if you factor in the NMC, the shenanigans you'd have to do to move Panarin (very limited return), almost certainly retention, I really wonder if it's worth it. If you end up only saving 5.8 and you can't afford to bring in a very good replacement, stick it out with Panarin.

I'd 100% go after Trouba first to clear cap but again, I don't see the team doing that.

More than likely there would be pieces coming back with decent cap hits for any Panarin trade. I am thinking that any trade would bring back a NHL winger that would bring a different element as well as some scoring.

I agree, if the plan is to just jettison Panarin and roll out Othmann, that's not really a plan.

 

[bhamill]

I still wanna try Miller-Fox.

I know Lindgren-Fox is proven but I think Miller and Fox's skillsets are yin and yang. You could always go back to Lindgren-Fox so there's no risk.

In a small sample, Miller-Fox have a 64% xGF and a 66% ass corsi. They have the potential to be one of the most dominant pairs ever.

Lindgren is extremely sound defensively with or without Fox and I think he and some dollar store undersized PMD could make a great better-than-the-sum second pair.

I see no reason not to try this, honestly.

 

[Machinehead]

More than likely there would be pieces coming back with decent cap hits for any Panarin trade. I am thinking that any trade would bring back a NHL winger that would bring a different element as well as some scoring.

I agree, if the plan is to just jettison Panarin and roll out Othmann, that's not really a plan.

I don't think the return would be much of anything. If Panarin did waive, he'd be forcing himself somewhere.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

not a chance would seattle trade dunn straight up for panarin. dunn broke out finally.

we want panarin gone for the same reasons other teams can also see.

who is going to want a 32 year old winger with term at the 2nd highest cap hit in the league, in a league where no one has cap space?

This is why I said look to florida and potentially do a panrain for bobrovsky trade bc we can buyout bobrovsky and save 5mil+ a year. if panarin's deal wasnt buyout proof i think a buyout of him would be a consideration based on their cap constraints this year and what we are seeing with him again in the playoffs. the issue is his contract: full no move, buyout proof, insane cap hit



I really hope people here get this reference...

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"Maybe the problem is, we're coddling these guys too much"

"What are they, a bunch of pansies"

 

[ThePeoplesPeople]

Moving Panarin would be extremely difficult .. regardless of how the rest of this year plays out, the best and most realistic way to improve some of this team's weakness is probably a slight overhaul on the backend (getting guys who can move the puck up). Would love to see Jones get a long long but not sure it ever happens here, so:

K'Andre (due to a raise) ++ for Sam Girard
Sign Ghost

Girard - Trouba
Lindy - Fox
Ghost - Schneider

 

[DanielBrassard]

I still wanna try Miller-Fox.

I know Lindgren-Fox is proven but I think Miller and Fox's skillsets are yin and yang. You could always go back to Lindgren-Fox so there's no risk.

In a small sample, Miller-Fox have a 64% xGF and a 66% ass corsi. They have the potential to be one of the most dominant pairs ever.

Lindgren is extremely sound defensively with or without Fox and I think he and some dollar store undersized PMD could make a great better-than-the-sum second pair.

I'm on board with this as well. Miller-Fox, Lindgren-PMD I think that would be the ideal setup. Lindgren can hold his own defensively, doesn't need to be paired with Fox.

 

[Machinehead]

I'm on board with this as well. Miller-Fox, Lindgren-PMD I think that would be the ideal setup. Lindgren can hold his own defensively, doesn't need to be paired with Fox.

And then Mikkola-Schneider is... you know what, I'll pick my battles on that one. Schneider isn't going anywhere.

It's so clear to me that the answer is finding a way to get rid of Trouba. I like the guy and I think he's a "good captain" for what that's worth; apparently not much because I still want him gone yesterday. He eats way, way, way more excess cap over what he brings than Panarin does. That's not even a discussion. What Trouba brings on the ice, unrelated to his character etc, is worth basically nothing at this point. League minimum players do what he does.

 

[Machinehead]

A bit of a tangent now that I'm thinking of it: my thing with intangibles is that not I don't think it exists, I just don't think it comes up nearly as often as a lot of other fans think it does.

Like, absolutely, when Trouba hit Kadri, the atmosphere changed. That was 1 game out of 82. Can you think of a single other game Trouba affected in a positive way with his hitting?

Him throwing the helmet was an amazing meme and I appreciate his passion, but if you unironically think that made us stop shooting 6%, I guess we'll agree to disagree.

I've seen a lot of Rangers-Caps games. Too many. Yes, sometimes Tom Wilson controls the whole game just by existing. 9 out of 10 times he's a church mouse.

I can think of instances off the top of my head where Goodrow came up with a big goal in a tight game. However, the large sample tells us he has 5 goals in 78 playoff games.

Sam Bennett is another one. Now, I like Sam Bennett because he could never take a penalty again and still just be a good player, but he just plays hockey most of the time.

Marchand just plays hockey most of the time.

 

[Machinehead]

Moving Panarin would be extremely difficult .. regardless of how the rest of this year plays out, the best and most realistic way to improve some of this team's weakness is probably a slight overhaul on the backend (getting guys who can move the puck up). Would love to see Jones get a long long but not sure it ever happens here, so:

K'Andre (due to a raise) ++ for Sam Girard
Sign Ghost

Girard - Trouba
Lindy - Fox
Ghost - Schneider

I don't hate this as much as everyone else will.

 

[ThePeoplesPeople]

And then Mikkola-Schneider is... you know what, I'll pick my battles on that one. Schneider isn't going anywhere.

It's so clear to me that the answer is finding a way to get rid of Trouba. I like the guy and I think he's a "good captain" for what that's worth; apparently not much because I still want him gone yesterday. He eats way, way, way more excess cap over what he brings than Panarin does. That's not even a discussion. What Trouba brings on the ice, unrelated to his character etc, is worth basically nothing at this point. League minimum players do what he does.

The best moves are probably moving Panarin and/or Trouba and using the cap elsewhere, just not feasible I feel. So Miller/Lindy + Goodrow for a PMD would be a way to

I don't hate this as much as everyone else will.

Girard came to mind but I think there are plenty of options out there. Point is, moving Miller/Lindy along with Goodrow for better puck movers seems like a reasonable play if we flame out vs Devils.

Rasmus Anderson, Cam Fowler, Thomas Chabot .. etc.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Trouba isn't moving.

They aren't going to move the guy who they just named Captain. It's clear as f*** that he has a ton of fans in the upper parts of the organization. Whether or not its the right call is moot in the point because it just won't happen. It took for ever for them to move on from Staal and they even dressed a better defenseman at forward just to keep his feelings from being hurt.

Panarin is an easy target for a move if they flame out. His contract is massive, he doesn't have the organizational support and you can get 2-3 pretty good players back for him (and you'd have to, no one will eat his entire deal with out sending anything back) while still having money to spend after. Panthers for Bennett+Forsling as a base would solve a few issues.

It would be nice if he just started doing things and rendered this conversation dead but I don't expect it. This is who he is.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

If they flame out and Panarin continues his no-show act. I'd be happy with him getting moved and using some of that sweet cash to resign Tarasenko.

 

[NYR Viper]

What about:

To Seattle:
Panarin

To NYR:
Bjorkstrand + Driedger

To SJ:
Driedger + Goodrow

To NYR:
Labanc

 

[Machinehead]

Trouba isn't moving.

They aren't going to move the guy who they just named Captain. It's clear as f*** that he has a ton of fans in the upper parts of the organization. Whether or not its the right call is moot in the point because it just won't happen. It took for ever for them to move on from Staal and they even dressed a better defenseman at forward just to keep his feelings from being hurt.

Panarin is an easy target for a move if they flame out. His contract is massive, he doesn't have the organizational support and you can get 2-3 pretty good players back for him (and you'd have to, no one will eat his entire deal with out sending anything back) while still having money to spend after. Panthers for Bennett+Forsling as a base would solve a few issues.

It would be nice if he just started doing things and rendered this conversation dead but I don't expect it. This is who he is.

Yeah if Panarin agrees to waive to the Panthers, and there's one bidder, they're definitely gonna offer Bennett + Forsling for his entire contract.

I'll make sure that gets done when I'm named GM after the playoffs.

 

[Machinehead]

If we're getting rid of Panarin, the return is getting rid of Panairn. Maybe we get a 1st. That's about the best asset returning.

Players who can control where they go have extremely limited trade value. We should know that - we exploited it enough times.