Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

[KevinFinnerty]

I'm ok with moving on from Laf and Panarin. Zibs I'll give a pass to since he's matched up against better faster centers. Crosby, Hughes, Stamkos. We still have game 5 and game 6 for him to break the series open.

 

[duhmetreE]

Pretty sure this violates the CBA.

COOUNTRY CLUB TIME IS OVER

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Pretty sure this violates the CBA.

lol

I'm being facetious obviously.

But there's gotta be a way to make these guys less pampered and more motivated. There's no excuse anymore for their lack of interest. Half of them wouldn't show up if they could. It's written in their body language.

 

[duhmetreE]

 

[NYR Viper]

Bertuzzi, when healthy, is almost the perfect addition to many teams. He plays a hard-nosed game that revolves around getting to or near the goal.

 

[The Gloaming]

Bertuzzi, when healthy, is almost the perfect addition to many teams. He plays a hard-nosed game that revolves around getting to or near the goal.

Which is why he will probably be overpaid handsomely in UFA. Perfect playoff player but not at what he is likely to receive.

 

[Machinehead]

lol

I'm being facetious obviously.

But there's gotta be a way to make these guys less pampered and more motivated. There's no excuse anymore for their lack of interest. Half of them wouldn't show up if they could. It's written in their body language.

If that's what you think, don't watch them.

 

[bleedblue94]

Zibanejad isn’t the guy to move. It’s been 4 games. A center group of Zibanejad-Trochek-Chytil is solid.

It’s Panarin. The issue being, if he is moved, he has last say and there will be contracts coming back. By that I mean, it will be a complete team overhaul more than likely.

Would Seattle consider a deal around Dunn and Bjorkstrand? Collective cap hit will be close to Panarin.

not a chance would seattle trade dunn straight up for panarin. dunn broke out finally.

we want panarin gone for the same reasons other teams can also see.

who is going to want a 32 year old winger with term at the 2nd highest cap hit in the league, in a league where no one has cap space?

This is why I said look to florida and potentially do a panrain for bobrovsky trade bc we can buyout bobrovsky and save 5mil+ a year. if panarin's deal wasnt buyout proof i think a buyout of him would be a consideration based on their cap constraints this year and what we are seeing with him again in the playoffs. the issue is his contract: full no move, buyout proof, insane cap hit

lol

I'm being facetious obviously.

But there's gotta be a way to make these guys less pampered and more motivated. There's no excuse anymore for their lack of interest. Half of them wouldn't show up if they could. It's written in their body language.

I really hope people here get this reference...

 

[MrAlmost]

If we lose this series, the only player to trade to send a message is Panarin. He is the cross ice giveaway, curl at the circle and get pinched on the boards, miss the net on a breakaway. It is his style that doesn't work in the playoffs. The other players have all proven they can contribute when it matters. Only Panarin has not answered the call, then dodges the media? Um, yeah. He is the guy to move. It's Rick Nash all over again, but without the PK and defense and more regular season offense.

 

[SA16]

A good way to build a bad team is to use "in the playoffs" as part of your analysis.

 

[bleedblue94]

If we lose this series, the only player to trade to send a message is Panarin. He is the cross ice giveaway, curl at the circle and get pinched on the boards, miss the net on a breakaway. It is his style that doesn't work in the playoffs. The other players have all proven they can contribute when it matters. Only Panarin has not answered the call, then dodges the media? Um, yeah. He is the guy to move. It's Rick Nash all over again, but without the PK and defense and more regular season offense.

Rick Nash would always answer the media.

What will also be interesting is if kane wants to stay here. if they can unload panarin somehow I have no issue resigning kane to a reasonable contract.

 

[MrAlmost]

A good way to build a bad team is to use "in the playoffs" as part of your analysis.

You could just quote me and say what you have a problem with. I think its no secret, especially on this team over the years, that there are players that are good to great in the regular season, but for whatever reason can not reproduce the production nor the energy in the playoffs. 2 great examples of guys on the opposite end of the spectrum were on this team at the same time. Rick Nash and Brian Boyle. Can everyone be a playoff juggernaut? No, and that's fair. But your most expensive player and offense driver can't be the guy that doesn't show up.

Let's hope for a better game 5 and 6.

 

[Machinehead]

You could just quote me and say what you have a problem with. I think its no secret, especially on this team over the years, that there are players that are good to great in the regular season, but for whatever reason can not reproduce the production nor the energy in the playoffs. 2 great examples of guys on the opposite end of the spectrum were on this team at the same time. Rick Nash and Brian Boyle. Can everyone be a playoff juggernaut? No, and that's fair. But your most expensive player and offense driver can't be the guy that doesn't show up.

Let's hope for a better game 5 and 6.

The problem is the sample.

Panarin's entire career playoff resume isn't even a season.

If we judged players on seasons or even a few seasons, Kreider and Zibanejad wouldn't have made it.

 

[Machinehead]

The other thing is that Panarin has 46 points in 54 career playoff games.

That's disappointing for him, but where are you getting that from?

If somebody shows me a cohesive plan for replacing Panarin, I'm all ears, but most of you went to the Brooksie College of Replacing Your Problems with Josh Anderson.

 

[leetch99]

Here’s a tip; if the Rangers flame out this year in the playoffs, there will not be numerous major changes. There can’t be. Too much money, too many contract clauses and much too little flexibility to deal with around the League. Gallant may or may not be whacked. I would expect one signature move to shake things up and then some cosmetic moves to round out the roster. Hopefully it doesn’t come to that.

I have it on good authority that Dolan pushed and pushed for the Kane trade and that none of the management was happy....but they also all love having a job . That came from an assistant .

 

[Fitzy]

The other thing is that Panarin has 46 points in 54 career playoff games.

That's disappointing for him, but where are you getting that from?

If somebody shows me a cohesive plan for replacing Panarin, I'm all ears, but most of you went to the Brooksie College of Replacing Your Problems with Josh Anderson.

I think we lose offense if we jettison Panarin. The question revolves around efficient allocation of cap space, and whether we could make the team better in other areas beyond just production by replacing him.

Kreider-Laf-Othmann-Cuylle-Vesey is a solid 5 left wingers.

Say NYR trade Panarin for some unknown return. They then re-sign Tarasenko for 5 mil, Mikkola for 2 mil, and Dumba for 4 mil. Kane gets a 1 year deal which goes on LTIR while he heals.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kane
Lafreniere-Trocheck-Tarasenko
Othmann-Chytil-Kakko
Vesey-Motte-Cuylle

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Mikkola-Dumba

Isn't that potentially on paper a better roster? There's a lot that has to happen there, but I don't think it's unfathomable.

 

[Machinehead]

I think we lose offense if we jettison Panarin. The question revolves around efficient allocation of cap space, and whether we could make the team better in other areas beyond just production by replacing him.

Kreider-Laf-Othmann-Cuylle-Vesey is a solid 5 left wingers.

Say NYR trade Panarin for some unknown return. They then re-sign Tarasenko for 5 mil, Mikkola for 2 mil, and Dumba for 4 mil. Kane gets a 1 year deal which goes on LTIR while he heals.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kane
Lafreniere-Trocheck-Tarasenko
Othmann-Chytil-Kakko
Vesey-Motte-Cuylle

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Mikkola-Dumba

Isn't that potentially on paper a better roster? There's a lot that has to happen there, but I don't think it's unfathomable.

We just scored twice in two games. The last four games against Tampa, we scored four goals. Production is the entire problem.

Also, I like where you're coming from trying to improve the defense but Dumba is another guy that runs transition about as well as I do.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Nerfing Panarin is the way to go if things don't turn around.

Rangers sorely need guys who are willing and able to get to the middle of the ice. Nuking him should allow you to get 2-3 of those guys.

Move the pieces they'd be replacing to grab someone who can get the puck to them since you're getting rid of Panarin.

Also need a PMD for the bottom pair.

 

[Machinehead]

Nerfing Panarin is the way to go if things don't turn around.

Rangers sorely need guys who are willing and able to get to the middle of the ice. Nuking him should allow you to get 2-3 of those guys.

Move the pieces they'd be replacing to grab someone who can get the puck to them since you're getting rid of Panarin.

Also need a PMD for the bottom pair.

Second pair*

I get what you're saying, but I don't want Johnny f***nuts who "getz to da areaz" and he's just Barclay Goodrow.

He would have to be a 25-35 goal scorer, ideally. Is that out there?

 

[NYR Viper]

I think we lose offense if we jettison Panarin. The question revolves around efficient allocation of cap space, and whether we could make the team better in other areas beyond just production by replacing him.

Kreider-Laf-Othmann-Cuylle-Vesey is a solid 5 left wingers.

Say NYR trade Panarin for some unknown return. They then re-sign Tarasenko for 5 mil, Mikkola for 2 mil, and Dumba for 4 mil. Kane gets a 1 year deal which goes on LTIR while he heals.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kane
Lafreniere-Trocheck-Tarasenko
Othmann-Chytil-Kakko
Vesey-Motte-Cuylle

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Mikkola-Dumba

Isn't that potentially on paper a better roster? There's a lot that has to happen there, but I don't think it's unfathomable.

I think this is where I am at as well. Trading someone like Panarin will mean pieces coming back and then cap space available.

We just scored twice in two games. The last four games against Tampa, we scored four goals. Production is the entire problem.

Also, I like where you're coming from trying to improve the defense but Dumba is another guy that runs transition about as well as I do.

Ghost is the answer

 

[Machinehead]

Ghost is the answer

He would be but he's left-handed.

All of our guys on the left are 1) pretty good and 2) need a partner who can pass.

 

[Machinehead]

Don't get me wrong, if you did something creative after moving Panarin and attempted to at least recreate the production in the aggregate, I'm open to that.

If we trade Panarin and are LW's next year are Kreider, Lafreniere trying and failing to ice skate, and the team that brought you Lafreniere, Kakko, Kravtsov, and Andersson now presents Brennan Othmann, that gonna be a no from me.

I would give Othmann a look, but people are penciling him in like he's a core player. Lafreniere was a better player in the CHL at 17 than Othmann is at 20. And Othmann's problem is also skating.

Maybe we should look into drafting guys that learned how to skate in the future, just a thought.

 

[MrAlmost]

The problem is the sample.

Panarin's entire career playoff resume isn't even a season.

If we judged players on seasons or even a few seasons, Kreider and Zibanejad wouldn't have made it.

Sample size is a fair argument. However, it is precisely that smaller sample size, the compact nature of the playoffs, that necessitates the need for players to perform right away. There is no time for "finding their game" or "feeling it out".

If we win the Cup last year, Z wins the Conn Smythe. He also matches up against other teams top center and shuts them down. Kreider leads the franchise in playoff goals and playoff powerplay goals. Also kills penalties. Kinda feels like they show up and do a job.

If Panarin isn't scoring, what is he doing? At least Rick Nash was a great PKer and defensive stalwart. So much so that he was a consistent last minute of the game players to hold leads. At this point, this team might be better switching out 2023 Panarin for 2014 Rick Nash. Haha

Panarin does draw a top matchup against, but if he is making it easy for them all night then I am not sure of the benefits.

 

[Fitzy]

We just scored twice in two games. The last four games against Tampa, we scored four goals. Production is the entire problem.

Also, I like where you're coming from trying to improve the defense but Dumba is another guy that runs transition about as well as I do.

Yeah the alternative theory was maybe Panarin trade returns a defenseman that can move the puck with term.

If he didn't have the god damn baggage DeAngelo would be the type of player.

 

[leetch99]

Bunting would be a first class agitator and could change the atmosphere quickly on the left side . Sell Panarin off for half price on the dollar and use the savings to add Bunting and another guy of sorts for the right side . We would need to figure out who can play on the right side and for how long and much . Kane might be in the plan....maybe? Our left side is not that bad....and our right side is a mess now if both Kane and Tarasenko are gone . Drury has lots to think about but we do need to be a nastier club to play against....playoffs are a different beast then reg season. I think Miller could start lugging the puck more and we have to hope Schneider can take another step .