Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

[LaffyTaffy13]

Why are we giving Matthews 12.5M to play on the second line?

Why are we giving arty 11.6 to play on the 2nd line?

Why did the pens giving geno $9.5 to play on the 2nd line?

Why will the devs give one of jack/nico 10-14 mill to play 2nd line?

If it makes you feel better we can have matthews as 1C and Mika as 2C

KAM and Lindgren @ 4M is crazy optimistic.
Where’s Igor and the back up salary?
Where’s the spare D?

Also, the above is actually a worse team than we’re fielding today. Demonstrably worse.

I don’t think the object is to take steps backwards.

Crack. Okay.

Lindgren is a defensive dman who barely puts up points, those guys dont get paid. U think KAM is getting more than $4mm after this season? If he signs 5-6 years, sure, maybe 4.5-5. If he goes bridge, more like 2.5-3.

Is that team entering 24-25 better than we had entering 22-23 when we had dryden hunt, sammy blais and kravtsov getting 1st line minutes? Give me a break

 

[The Gloaming]

Ok, so we would have a stacked forward group (unbalanced salary-cap wise), relying on a playoff choke artist who is more interested in fashion...and we would once again have 1 defenseman who can move the puck up ice.

If we're moving Trouba out (which I think is unlikely seeing as they just named him captain), it should be to make space for a two way defenseman who can pass and skate through the NZ.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Ok, so we would have a stacked forward group (unbalanced salary-cap wise), relying on a playoff choke artist who is more interested in fashion...and we would once again have 1 defenseman who can move the puck up ice.

If we're moving Trouba out (which I think is unlikely seeing as they just named him captain), it should be to make space for a two way defenseman who can pass and skate through the NZ.

Ahh yes because we have no history of moving captains out lol.

I think KAM will improve hes already a great skater just makes boneheaded plays and zac jones is a good bottom pairing pmd

 

[The Gloaming]

Ahh yes because we have no history of moving captains out lol

Sure, but we are trying to win with this core.

Matthews should not be a contender's highest paid player.

He is not that star. McDavid is.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Sure, but we are trying to win with this core.

Matthews should not be a contender's highest paid player.

He is not that star. McDavid is.

Matthews is the reigning mvp lol. NO ONE is mcdavid, not even gretz.

 

[The Gloaming]

Matthews is the reigning mvp lol. NO ONE is mcdavid, not even gretz.

Reigning regular season MVP. McDavid also suffered last year from voter fatigue.

Regular season hockey is not playoff hockey.

 

[MrAlmost]

I think the team is pretty well locked up. Just by the looks of things and the contracts we have. All are mostly good dollar and term amounts that will have us competitive for a long time. If this team is going to go for a big fish, it is clearly McDavid. Panarin contract will be gone and getting the biggest star for the biggest market is the play. Don't settle for second best. I mean, it lines up a little too well.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Reigning regular season MVP. McDavid also suffered last year from voter fatigue.

Regular season hockey is not playoff hockey.

I agree. You do realize outside of matthews teenage years hes over a ppg player in the playoffs, right? All while facing top defensive pairing and top defensive forwards right? Teams focus on him, not JT.

What does a center need to do to win games in playoffs?

1) score
2) be defensively responsible
3) block shots (he leads the league in blocked shots by forwards lol)
4) win faceoffs (one of the best in league last year at 56.2%)

 

[The Gloaming]

I agree. You do realize outside of matthews teenager years hes over a ppg player in the playoffs, right? All while facing top defensive pairing and top defensive forwards right? Teams focus on him, not JT

Obviously teams focus on him. I'm not going to put all the Leafs failures on him alone as Marner has been kind of a joke in the playoffs himself. But yes, it's partially on him. He also strikes me as a 'me first, hockey second' kind of guy. There's a bunch of centers I would take over Matthews for the playoffs. We are trying to win a Cup, not be the Carolina Hurricanes.

I mean, you can go to the Leafs board and see for yourself what they are saying about Matthews. Things that we are not going to saying about Mika on here even though Mika is also interested in hair and fashion. Because Mika shows the f*** up come playoff time.

 

[haohmaru]

Why are we giving arty 11.6 to play on the 2nd line?

Why did the pens giving geno $9.5 to play on the 2nd line?

Why will the devs give one of jack/nico 10-14 mill to play 2nd line?

If it makes you feel better we can have matthews as 1C and Mika as 2C


Lindgren is a defensive dman who barely puts up points, those guys dont get paid. U think KAM is getting more than $4mm after this season? If he signs 5-6 years, sure, maybe 4.5-5. If he goes bridge, more like 2.5-3.

Is that team entering 24-25 better than we had entering 22-23 when we had dryden hunt, sammy blais and kravtsov getting 1st line minutes? Give me a break

Lindgren is 1/2 of a top pair in the NHL. The man is getting paid. KAM, with any kind of term, is 5+ minimum. If both of these guys start with a 5 we’re lucky.

And no, it’s not better with Schneider as a top 4 D and Jones on the 3rd pair. It’s worse.

Pass. But, hey, we’re not changing each other’s minds so I’ll bow out of this conversation.

 

[The Gloaming]

Lindgren is 1/2 of a top pair in the NHL. The man is getting paid. KAM, with any kind of term, is 5+ minimum. If both of these guys start with a 5 we’re lucky.

And no, it’s not better with Schneider as a top 4 D and Jones on the 3rd pair. It’s worse.

Pass. But, hey, we’re not changing each other’s minds so I’ll bow out of this conversation.

Lindgren doesn't have the scoring stats to make 5 million. He also doesn't have the hype that Girardi had when there were even some Norris votes given to him.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Obviously teams focus on him. I'm not going to put all the Leafs failures on him alone as Marner has been kind of a joke in the playoffs himself. But yes, it's partially on him. He also strikes me as a 'me first, hockey second' kind of guy. There's a bunch of centers I would take over Matthews for the playoffs. We are trying to win a Cup, not be the Carolina Hurricanes.

I mean, you can go to the Leafs board and see for yourself what they are saying about Matthews. Things that we are not going to saying about Mika on here even though Mika is also interested in hair and fashion. Because Mika shows the f*** up come playoff time.

What does a center need to do to win games in playoffs?

1) score (check)
2) be defensively responsible (check)
3) block shots (check, he leads the league in blocked shots by forwards lol)
4) win faceoffs (check, one of the best in league last year at 56.2%)

 

[MrAlmost]

Lindgren is 1/2 of a top pair in the NHL. The man is getting paid. KAM, with any kind of term, is 5+ minimum. If both of these guys start with a 5 we’re lucky.

And no, it’s not better with Schneider as a top 4 D and Jones on the 3rd pair. It’s worse.

Pass. But, hey, we’re not changing each other’s minds so I’ll bow out of this conversation.

I would not be so sure about that. It was sworn up and down that Chytil wasn't getting anything less than 5, and some even said it would take 6. They were way off. Miller will likely come in at a similar contract to Chytil. Perhaps different amount of years, but 4.something is very likely and is also very much in line with the league average.

As for Lindgren, I don't know. Points get big contracts. Lindgren has only like 2 more career goals than he has years in the NHL. And that is being stapled to Fox his whole career. I could score 1 goal a year if I played 20 minutes a night with Fox. Haha

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Lindgren is 1/2 of a top pair in the NHL. The man is getting paid. KAM, with any kind of term, is 5+ minimum. If both of these guys start with a 5 we’re lucky.

And no, it’s not better with Schneider as a top 4 D and Jones on the 3rd pair. It’s worse.

Pass. But, hey, we’re not changing each other’s minds so I’ll bow out of this conversation.

Is it okay to recognize that schneider just became legally able to buy alcohol? Hes just never gonna get better? He’ll be near trouba’s level in 3 years.

Interesting so youd take a top 6 that had 2 of dryden hunt/sammy blais/kravtsov over one that has auston matthews. Interesting. All the power to you.

Someone might also have to remind you that we had zac jones and libor hajek as our 6D to begin the season too.

I would not be so sure about that. It was sworn up and down that Chytil wasn't getting anything less than 5, and some even said it would take 6. They were way off. Miller will likely come in at a similar contract to Chytil. Perhaps different amount of years, but 4.something is very likely and is also very much in line with the league average.

As for Lindgren, I don't know. Points get big contracts. Lindgren has only like 2 more career goals than he has years in the NHL. And that is being stapled to Fox his whole career. I could score 1 goal a year if I played 20 minutes a night with Fox. Haha

Whats the comp for a dman averaging 1 goal a year getting $5+ mill? People are wild here haha

 

[The Gloaming]

What does a center need to do to win games in playoffs?

1) score (check)
2) be defensively responsible (check)
3) block shots (check, he leads the league in blocked shots by forwards lol)
4) win faceoffs (check, one of the best in league last year at 56.2%)

1. He needs to score more
2. Not sure how true that one is. Don't let the regular season hype that Leafs fans generate fool you. They'll have him as a Selke candidate in February and by April will be talking about how soft he is.
5. Battle for 50/50 pucks - that's a big one. Not sure how much he does that

If we want to pay 14 million for someone (which you can argue is the wrong thing to do in the salary cap league in the first place, because depth is so important come playoffs) - it should be McDavid and no one else.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

1. He needs to score more
2. Not sure how true that one is. Don't let the regular season hype that Leafs fans generate fool you. They'll have him as a Selke candidate in February and by April will be talking about how soft he is.
5. Battle for 50/50 pucks - that's a big one. Not sure how much he does that

If we want to pay 14 million for someone (which you can argue is the wrong thing to do in the salary cap league in the first place, because depth is so important come playoffs) - it should be McDavid and no one else.

He comes here for 12-12.5 and you take it all day. I want mcdavid too and we’ll have room for him and matthews as panarin would be off the books and kreider with 1 year to go on a front loaded contract would be easy to move. Doesnt handcuff us one iota. Matthews and mcdavid up the middle with mika and trocheck? One can dream haha

 

[The Gloaming]

He comes here for 12-12.5 and you take it all day. I want mcdavid too and we’ll have room for him and matthews as panarin would be off the books and kreider with 1 year to go on a front loaded contract would be easy to move. Doesnt handcuff us one iota. Matthews and mcdavid up the middle with mika and trocheck? One can dream haha

lol this is so unrealistic, come on.

Last thing I'll say about Matthews is that he has a lingering wrist issue and if he doesn't have his shot, there's not much else he has. Hard pass.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Lindgren doesn't have the scoring stats to make 5 million. He also doesn't have the hype that Girardi had when there were even some Norris votes given to him.

Neither did girardi. And that was a much larger percentage of the cap.

 

[The Gloaming]

Neither did girardi. And that was a much larger percentage of the cap.

G was also a UFA. And the Norris votes.

 

[mas0764]

There is ZERO chance Matthews ends up here.

Stop it guys.

This is true, but mostly because Toronto won't let him get away and/or other teams would outbid us in assets and/or cap space.

In a hypothetical where he wanted to come here a la Panarin, we should chase him.

Why are we giving Matthews 12.5M to play on the second line?

In such a hypothetical scenario, it's not a second line. We have to get over this line numbering hang up where if a player is on a "second line," or "third line," it's somehow a problem.

Whatever line he would be on would see equal minutes to whatever line Mika is centering, and it would be awesome for us. Two elite centers. Two elite lines.

But yeah I agree it won't happen for a number of reasons, but one of those reasons should not be our lack of interest in the player because of "playoff problems."

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

lol this is so unrealistic, come on.

Last thing I'll say about Matthews is that he has a lingering wrist issue and if he doesn't have his shot, there's not much else he has. Hard pass.

It is unrealistic when u look at it. However, financially we could swing it if we wanted to. In which case you probably make trocheck a winger at 5x5

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

This is true, but mostly because Toronto won't let him get away and/or other teams would outbid us in assets and/or cap space.

In a hypothetical where he wanted to come here a la Panarin, we should chase him.

He can't choose his spot. If he gets moved, there are teams that have the need/assets to move that we don't as you said.

Like Carolina would make all the sense in the world in that regard.

If we're talking about UFA, thats a different story but thats still a bit away and they'd need to clear a ton of salary to do that. Not sure its even worth it at that point.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Obviously if Matthews is available you make moves to try to land him but I don't see him ending up in New York, he seems destined for a western team. I don't care about his so called playoff struggles or off ice stuff which isn't even a big deal. I just don't think he's going to end up here.

 

[haohmaru]

Is it okay to recognize that schneider just became legally able to buy alcohol? Hes just never gonna get better? He’ll be near trouba’s level in 3 years.

Interesting so youd take a top 6 that had 2 of dryden hunt/sammy blais/kravtsov over one that has auston matthews. Interesting. All the power to you.

Someone might also have to remind you that we had zac jones and libor hajek as our 6D to begin the season too.

Pass. But, hey, we’re not changing each other’s minds so I’ll bow out of this conversation.

 

[IDvsEGO]

This is true, but mostly because Toronto won't let him get away and/or other teams would outbid us in assets and/or cap space.

In a hypothetical where he wanted to come here a la Panarin, we should chase him.



In such a hypothetical scenario, it's not a second line. We have to get over this line numbering hang up where if a player is on a "second line," or "third line," it's somehow a problem.

Whatever line he would be on would see equal minutes to whatever line Mika is centering, and it would be awesome for us. Two elite centers. Two elite lines.

But yeah I agree it won't happen for a number of reasons, but one of those reasons should not be our lack of interest in the player because of "playoff problems."

The problem with having a ton of high priced players who sign UFA deals, is that you then lack cap flexibility and depth.
The leafs are experiencing this very problem.
They have no goaltending.

Everyone is forgetting that shesty only has 2 more years on his deal. So yeah we could make room for matthews, if we let shesty walk. Because shesty is going to get far more on his deal than 5.6 for a completely UFA deal.