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Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

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kyk1827 said:
Its fairly realistic that we can land austin matthews next off season, no?

By June 2024 i think we can pretty easily move trouba, kreider and chytil’s contract if need be to free up space.

Kreider being moved would just rub me the wrong way as hes been a lifer and would probably hurt mika’s mental.

I know this is a long way away but thoughts?
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Wut. Why are we moving a proven playoff performer who is still in his prime for a playoff ghost? Do we have problems selling tickets or something?

Let Matthews go to LA or ARZ and collect his paychecks there.
 
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kyk1827 said:
Its fairly realistic that we can land austin matthews next off season, no?

By June 2024 i think we can pretty easily move trouba, kreider and chytil’s contract if need be to free up space.

Kreider being moved would just rub me the wrong way as hes been a lifer and would probably hurt mika’s mental.

I know this is a long way away but thoughts?
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Simple. If he can't get his Leafs past another first round I would want no part of him especially at what probably 13 million plus. I don't care if he scores 50 plus regular season goals. Tampa is playing at like quarter strength on defense right now. He is their best player and should be their leader.
 
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kyk1827 said:
Its fairly realistic that we can land austin matthews next off season, no?

By June 2024 i think we can pretty easily move trouba, kreider and chytil’s contract if need be to free up space.

Kreider being moved would just rub me the wrong way as hes been a lifer and would probably hurt mika’s mental.

I know this is a long way away but thoughts?
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The Leafs have a projected 51M in cap space going into that year and can sign him to an extension this summer. There's no reason to think they won't try to do that.

Also, if you haven't noticed, we're pretty deep/set down the middle for the foreseeable future with Zibanejad, Trocheck, and Chytil. We'd be better off spending that 13M+ elsewhere.
 
bl02 said:
Simple. If he can't get his Leafs past another first round I would want no part of him especially at what probably 13 million plus. I don't care if he scores 50 plus regular season goals. Tampa is playing at like quarter strength on defense right now. He is their best player and should be their leader.
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Is it his fault? The leafs havent had a goalie in years. He had 9 points in 7 playoff games last year and had 2 apples last night. He lead the lead in blocked shots by forwards lol. One of the best two way players in the league.

Youre nuts to think we wouldnt want him

haohmaru said:
The Leafs have a projected 51M in cap space going into that year and can sign him to an extension this summer. There's no reason to think they won't try to do that.

Also, if you haven't noticed, we're pretty deep/set down the middle for the foreseeable future with Zibanejad, Trocheck, and Chytil. We'd be better off spending that 13M+ elsewhere.
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He’ll be a 26 year old bonafide superstar who wants to be here. I cant see us turning him away if he wants to be here which by all indications, hes very interested
 
Schneider is better than fine. He's been impressively good for a kid who has never had a good D partner for any meaningful stretch of hockey. Mikkola is probably the best he's had, and Mikkola has been ok as a bottom pair but he skates all over the place chasing guys ALL THE TIME leaving Schneider vulnerable.
 
kyk1827 said:
Is it his fault? The leafs havent had a goalie in years. He had 9 points in 7 playoff games last year and had 2 apples last night. He lead the lead in blocked shots by forwards lol. One of the best two way players in the league.

Youre nuts to think we wouldnt want him


He’ll be a 26 year old bonafide superstar who wants to be here. I cant see us turning him away if he wants to be here which by all indications, hes very interested
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ok call me nuts then that is fine. With that roster they have (yes I agree not great goalies) they should have had much more playoff success. I am not even gonna bother going down the list of failures and choke jobs (Yes) they have committed in the last 4-5 years including letting Montreal come back from being down 3-1.
and if you wanna offer him 13 million plus go for it. I would think a bit harder.
 
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haohmaru said:
He can be however interested he wants to be. We shouldn't be.

ProTip: Zibanejad is bona fide superstar too. Matthews isn't a need. He's a want.
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Yes, Mika is but matthews is a superstar 2 way center who does literally everything as well.

- leads league in blocked shots of all forwards
- has scored 60+
- great on faceoffs

If we had mika, matthews and trocheck up the middle that is just an unbelievably strong middle, the strongest in the league.

To begin 2024-2025 assuming wed have to trade chytil and trouba to land Matthews

Panarin-Mika-Othmann
Laff-Matthews-Kakko
Kreider-Trocheck-Vesey
Cuylle- (insert 4C) - Sykora

Lindgren-Fox
Kandre-Schneider
Jones/Robertson- (insert 5/6 RHD)

Igor

That’s just a silly lineup to begin a season. That at trade deadline you probably add a top 4 RHD dman on an expiring contract and bump Schneider down to bottom pair. Likely in a chytil trade youd land some good assets too.
 
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haohmaru said:
Where are we "prioritizing size"? On 6D? Miller can get the puck out. So can Lindgren. So can Fox. So can Trouba. Schneider? Hopefully with time.

Which NHL team has 6 guys that can make that clean first pass consistently or always make the right play on the boards? Exactly zero.

All of this negativity, it's almost unreal.

Dan Rosen on Vince's podcast:

Rangers 1-12 are as good, or better, than any team in the NHL
Rangers 1-4D are as good, or better, than any team in the NHL
Rangers G is as good, or better, than any team in the NHL
Rangers 3rd pair is good

Biggest challenge to the Bruins: Rangers and TB

I mean, the best roster in 30 years and some of you are acting like this is the Titanic about to hit the iceberg. 8 roster players under 25 with significant roles on the team.

Win round 1 playoff game 5-1 and "they have to be better"

You know who really has to be better if they want to win? The Devils.
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The Devils will be better.

Hopefully the Rangers will be too.
 
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I hope we can get Mikkola and Motte resigned to good, cheap contracts. They help solidify this teams depth so much. I would prioritize those guys over Tank or Kane. But the 1.9 and 1.35 respectively are rough.

If the start of these playoffs are any indication though, these series are going to be great and that will hopefully drive that Cap up nice.
 
kyk1827 said:
Yes, Mika is but matthews is a superstar 2 way center who does literally everything as well.

- leads league in blocked shots of all forwards
- has scored 60+
- great on faceoffs

If we had mika, matthews and trocheck up the middle that is just an unbelievably strong middle, the strongest in the league.

To begin 2024-2025 assuming wed have to trade chytil and trouba to land Matthews

Panarin-Mika-Othmann
Laff-Matthews-Kakko
Kreider-Trocheck-Vesey
Cuylle- (insert 4C) - Sykora

Lindgren-Fox
Kandre-Schneider
Jones/Robertson- (insert 5/6 RHD)

Igor

That’s just a silly lineup to begin a season. That at trade deadline you probably add a top 4 RHD dman on an expiring contract and bump Schneider down to bottom pair. Likely in a chytil trade youd land some good assets too.
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Would be silly not to want Matthews in such a scenario.

Only on a Rangers board should we not want Matthews cause it means losing Trouba and/or Kreider, lol.
 
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Matthews is not better than Mika + Chytil. As you said we'd have to move chytil to fit matthews.

I'm not in any way saying matthews isn't a great player. But unless we're getting out of panarin's contract, I want no part of a UFA signing for 9m +.

We have a potentially great core, including young roster players who should take over as the core.
The only potential move I'd see is, panarin's money comes off the books in 26-27, Mcdavid is a UFA at that same time.
Thats the only potential move I'd make, and thats assuming we have our kids locked up, we have drafted well, and we're not forced to buyout a player to do the move.
 
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mas0764 said:
Would be silly not to want Matthews in such a scenario.

Only on a Rangers board should we not want Matthews cause it means losing Trouba and/or Kreider, lol.
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Only on a Rangers board would we want another shiny new toy at the expense of three roster players (Chytil, Trouba, and Kreider) and a 13+M cap hit to suck the life out of the franchise yet again when he inevitably fails to do in NY what he did elsewhere.

Kreider had more playoff goals last year than Mathews in his last 4.

Just what we need.
 
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haohmaru said:
Only on a Rangers board would we want another shiny new toy at the expense of three roster players (Chytil, Trouba, and Kreider) and a 13+M cap hit to suck the life out of the franchise yet again when he inevitably fails to do in NY what he did elsewhere.

Kreider had more playoff goals last year than Mathews in his last 4.

Just what we need.
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Hfboards might be the only place on earth where you can find people who would prefer a 25 year old chytil and 30 year old trouba > a 26 year old auston matthews
 
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kyk1827 said:
Hfboards might be the only place on earth where you can find people who would prefer a 25 year old chytil and 30 year old trouba > a 26 year old auston matthews
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You forgot Kreider. Yeah, replacing 3 players with one on a team with a limited depth chart in the minors to a huge cap hit when you’ve already got a 1C isn’t realistic. It’s NHL ‘24. It’s dumb.

We’re actually deep at C. I’d rather address a NEED.
 
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Idk if it's a subscription thing or not, but according to EvolvingHockey, he's the 9th most hit player in the NHL.

Who cares if he's getting crunched? You can get lightly bumped and lose the puck. He's absolutely terrible at zone exits.
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He plays the boards against other teams 4th lines more than any other D-pair we have, his partner was a rotating door, and the style we play would lend to us giving up zone time quite a lot. That stat means very little to me
 
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He plays the boards against other teams 4th lines more than any other D-pair we have, his partner was a rotating door, and the style we play would lend to us giving up zone time quite a lot. That stat means very little to me
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There are 64 bottom pairing defensemen and 96 4th liners playing similar competition.
 
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