Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

[SA16]

No thank you. If you go and watch his goals you will see that it's mostly Marner who is responsible for setting up most of them...plus the guy just folds like a house of cards come playoffs. I take Mika and his 200ft game over Matthews any day come playoffs.

And yet he scored more with Nylander than with Marner this year

 

[The Gloaming]

And yet he scored more with Nylander than with Marner this year

Last year it was 60 goals and a Hart with Marner.

What I'm saying is that he never looks like the play driver to me. Nylander is underrated big time also and is the only one on that core that actually shows up for playoffs.

I mean if I had to choose it's AM34 AAAAAIIIIIINNNNNEEEECCCC

lmao @ Marner, dude's physically and mentally a midget. One of the best playmakers in the league, sure. But by god, I wound't touch him or his contract with a 100ft pole.

He's also very good on the PK and can be quite aggressive with his stick in retrieving the puck.

Mentally though - that whole team is just...not strong. None of those players can be the top guys come playoffs.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I mean if I had to choose it's AM34 AAAAAIIIIIINNNNNEEEECCCC

lmao @ Marner, dude's physically and mentally a midget. One of the best playmakers in the league, sure. But by god, I wound't touch him or his contract with a 100ft pole.

Physicality wise marner is poor, but the dude is now one of the best defensive players in hockey. He figured out how to use his speed defensively and the dude is one of the best penalty killers on their team. He's basically a faster panarin who plays better in his own end.

 

[mas0764]

So if Toronto chokes in the first round again, do we start running numbers on how we could squeeze Matthews in should he bail next offseason?

Yes.

Schneider needs to play with someone who can move the puck. It's really that simple. I've said before Mikkola is a top 4 defenseman when he doesn't have the puck and a borderline ECHL player when he has it. Couldn't be a worse fit.

I think he could play a Lindgren role effectively once he finds a partner that works for him.

The number of players out there at the defensive position who can be effective without adding any offense or skill is going down. NYR have 4 defensemen out of 6 who struggle with transition passing and working the puck out from behind the net. Miller is decent but still makes a lot of mistakes. Trouba's offense has never come from his own zone in terms of starting plays.

It's almost as if we have to stop prioritizing size and start prioritizing passing, skating with the puck, and break outs.

 

[mas0764]

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Yeah I'm on the right side of that chart.

I maybe think more of Schneider than you do, but I've been saying "Schneider will soon be able to do what Trouba does," and I haven't meant play at a high level when I say that.

 

[mas0764]

In terms of the underlying numbers, probably about the same?

The Rangers are probably the 10th-12th best team, but they could go on a run if they get hot, like anybody else. If you think that's an affront to God or something, you need to watch more teams.

I don't know where this notion came from that we're in the absolute cream of the crop in this league.

We're a good team and we're up against a better team tonight.

It comes from the fact that the fan base witnessed us make the Final Four last year and then perceived that we improved our roster.

It doesn't really take into account overachieving.

This is a good team.

8 teams out of 32 make it to the second round.

Good teams don't compete for a Cup. Outstanding (or sometimes obnoxiously lucky) teams compete for a Cup.

So how do we get to outstanding?

 

[Machinehead]

So how do we get to outstanding?

We need to get better at zone exists, especially from our defense corps.

We defend well and we have a lot of skill on the offensive end. Going from one to the other is by far our biggest weakness.

The biggest challenge is that the Rangers tend to have an archaic view of what defensemen should be and I don't think they necessarily see a problem with the fact that exactly one of them moves the puck well.

 

[bleedblue94]

I don't want either of them.

marner is a mental midget

matthews constantly backs down when leaned on and it affects his game annually. the team follows his lead. elite talent players that shrink up can grenade a team.

 

[rangersfansince08]

We need to get better at zone exists, especially from our defense corps.

We defend well and we have a lot of skill on the offensive end. Going from one to the other is by far our biggest weakness.

The biggest challenge is that the Rangers tend to have an archaic view of what defensemen should be and I don't think they necessarily see a problem with the fact that exactly one of them moves the puck well.

you think the last part is more Drury or Gallant?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

We need to get better at zone exists, especially from our defense corps.

We defend well and we have a lot of skill on the offensive end. Going from one to the other is by far our biggest weakness.

The biggest challenge is that the Rangers tend to have an archaic view of what defensemen should be and I don't think they necessarily see a problem with the fact that exactly one of them moves the puck well.

I don't know that this is true considering that they seemingly had nothing but PMD not too long ago.

They definitely emphasis size and length on D though (and in the playoffs, it helps.)

The key is to find someone who can move a puck while being big. Those guys aren't really readily available.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I don't know that this is true considering that they seemingly had nothing but PMD not too long ago.

They definitely emphasis size and length on D though (and in the playoffs, it helps.)

The key is to find someone who can move a puck while being big. Those guys aren't really readily available.

Those guys are expensive...

 

[Machinehead]

you think the last part is more Drury or Gallant?

I think it's the Rangers. I guess Drury.

I don't know that this is true considering that they seemingly had nothing but PMD not too long ago.

They definitely emphasis size and length on D though (and in the playoffs, it helps.)

The key is to find someone who can move a puck while being big. Those guys aren't really readily available.

When they actually had nothing but PMD, they were in the middle of a rebuild.

This franchise associates puck-moving with being bad.

 

[bhamill]

Hm. I thought Schneider was going to take over for Trouba. Now he has bad Hockey IQ (always my favorite critique), is slow, can't pass and won't get better?

Damn, things have really changed for the kid over the course of this year.

washed up at 21, like the rest of our loser kids.

 

[bhamill]

consider Fox has 300 more minutes at ES than Schneider and also faces the best players in the world every night.

And Schneider faces the 3rd and 4th line grinders who tend to, that's right, HIT a lot more. Hahaha. No one thinks Schneider has the elite elusiveness NOR preternatural IQ of Fox, I just think it's crazy to get so down on a 21 year old defenseman in the best league on the planet...

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think it's the Rangers. I guess Drury.

When they actually had nothing but PMD, they were in the middle of a rebuild.

This franchise associates puck-moving with being bad.

Again, if you want to say undersized PMD=bad then yeah, I agree with you.

If it was that much of a sticking point for them Fox doesn't get extended long term though his game is more multidimensional than just being a PMD. The only guy who they've really gotten rid of recently that was a massive asset in transition was DeAngelo which had nothing to do with his play on the ice.

 

[Machinehead]

Again, if you want to say undersized PMD=bad then yeah, I agree with you.

If it was that much of a sticking point for them Fox doesn't get extended long term though his game is more multidimensional than just being a PMD. The only guy who they've really gotten rid of recently that was a massive asset in transition was DeAngelo which had nothing to do with his play on the ice.

Fox is the token PMD. As long as I've been watching this team, they think you're supposed to have one D who's good at offense.

We have Schneider, Mikkola, Trouba, and Miller. Schneier is the smallest. Would the world end if we had one guy in our bottom four that's under 6'3" if that's what's available?

Lindgren is 5-nothing and nobody even notices. It's not that big of a deal.

 

[mas0764]

I don't know that this is true considering that they seemingly had nothing but PMD not too long ago.

They definitely emphasis size and length on D though (and in the playoffs, it helps.)

The key is to find someone who can move a puck while being big. Those guys aren't really readily available.

They had nothing but PMD before the new coach and GM came in and swung too far to the size and grit camp.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Fox is the token PMD. As long as I've been watching this team, they think you're supposed to have one D who's good at offense.

We have Schneider, Mikkola, Trouba, and Miller. Schneier is the smallest. Would the world end if we had one guy in our bottom four that's under 6'3" if that's what's available?

Lindgren is 5-nothing and nobody even notices. It's not that big of a deal.

I'm not even arguing against what you're saying lol. Trust me when I say that I would have much rather added Gostisbehere to this team than Mikkola (and thats no disrespect to Mikkola.)

I'm just saying they won't add a PMD who doesn't already fit a certain criteria. Lindgren plays much bigger than he is so that helps him (and hurts him, literally.)

 

[Machinehead]

I'm not even arguing against what you're saying lol. Trust me when I say that I would have much rather added Gostisbehere to this team than Mikkola (and thats no disrespect to Mikkola.)

I'm just saying they won't add a PMD who doesn't already fit a certain criteria. Lindgren plays much bigger than he is so that helps him (and hurts him, literally.)

They need to get over it.

Dougie Hamilton is like 8'2" and he would be the same exact player if he were Fox's height.

 

[haohmaru]

It's almost as if we have to stop prioritizing size and start prioritizing passing, skating with the puck, and break outs.

Where are we "prioritizing size"? On 6D? Miller can get the puck out. So can Lindgren. So can Fox. So can Trouba. Schneider? Hopefully with time.

Which NHL team has 6 guys that can make that clean first pass consistently or always make the right play on the boards? Exactly zero.

All of this negativity, it's almost unreal.

Dan Rosen on Vince's podcast:

Rangers 1-12 are as good, or better, than any team in the NHL
Rangers 1-4D are as good, or better, than any team in the NHL
Rangers G is as good, or better, than any team in the NHL
Rangers 3rd pair is good

Biggest challenge to the Bruins: Rangers and TB

I mean, the best roster in 30 years and some of you are acting like this is the Titanic about to hit the iceberg. 8 roster players under 25 with significant roles on the team.

Win round 1 playoff game 5-1 and "they have to be better"

You know who really has to be better if they want to win? The Devils.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Where are we "prioritizing size"? On 6D? Miller can get the puck out. So can Lindgren. So can Fox. So can Trouba. Schneider? Hopefully with time.

Which NHL team has 6 guys that can make that clean first pass consistently or always make the right play on the boards? Exactly zero.

All of this negativity, it's almost unreal.

Dan Rosen on Vince's podcast:

Rangers 1-12 are as good, or better, than any team in the NHL
Rangers 1-4D are as good, or better, than any team in the NHL
Rangers G is as good, or better, than any team in the NHL
Rangers 3rd pair is good

Biggest challenge to the Bruins: Rangers and TB

I mean, the best roster in 30 years and some of you are acting like this is the Titanic about to hit the iceberg. 8 roster players under 25 with significant roles on the team.

Win round 1 playoff game 5-1 and "they have to be better"

You know who really has to be better if they want to win? The Devils.

They don't.

There aren't any.

This is a message board where people say a bunch of crazy shit and some of it sticks. Kreiders a ghost, Trouba's awful, the coach has no system, the team prizes size in their D. It is what it is.

 

[haohmaru]

They don't.

There aren't any.

This is a message board where people say a bunch of crazy shit and some of it sticks. Kreiders a ghost, Trouba's awful, the coach has no system, the team prizes size in their D. It is what it is.

It's positively draining to see a bunch of posters look at this team constantly with a glass half empty mentality. This is the best team we've fielded in 30 years and, collectively, look like they have their shit together enough to actually really make a run at it and we're talking about Schneider, Harpur, and Kane instead of Kreider, Shesterkin, Panarin, and Fox.

It's truly f***ing awful.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

It's positively draining to see a bunch of posters look at this team constantly with a glass half empty mentality. This is the best team we've fielded in 30 years and, collectively, look like they have their shit together enough to actually really make a run at it and we're talking about Schneider, Harpur, and Kane instead of Kreider, Shesterkin, Panarin, and Fox.

It's truly f***ing awful.

Imagine if they lost last night.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Its fairly realistic that we can land austin matthews next off season, no?

By June 2024 i think we can pretty easily move trouba, kreider and chytil’s contract if need be to free up space.

Kreider being moved would just rub me the wrong way as hes been a lifer and would probably hurt mika’s mental.

I know this is a long way away but thoughts?

 

[bl02]

It's positively draining to see a bunch of posters look at this team constantly with a glass half empty mentality. This is the best team we've fielded in 30 years and, collectively, look like they have their shit together enough to actually really make a run at it and we're talking about Schneider, Harpur, and Kane instead of Kreider, Shesterkin, Panarin, and Fox.

It's truly f***ing awful.

Fair enough and good points.