Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

[bhamill]

Its not even a gamble haha. Wed be able to afford both mcdavid and matthews if we wanted

Okay, well that is WILD. Hahahaha.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Wed have igor. I can lay it out for you capfriendly wise if youd like me to.

Igor gets UFA money in 2 years. Feel free to lay out a cap strategy were we have Mcdavid, matthews and mika, while also having fox and shesty.
Show me the rest of that roster? Because if its all guys at league minimum its a joke roster.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Wed have igor, fox, lindgren, kam, schneider, etc . I can lay it out for you capfriendly wise if youd like me to.

So no Laf, no kakko. Show me how this would work?

 

[MrAlmost]

The only way the Rangers are in on Matthews is if Panarin is traded. Otherwise it doesn't make sense. That is the 1 to 1 Gomez trade comparison. Panarin brings in some draft picks and maybe 1 or 2 cheap players and the cap space is used to sign Matthews. Trading 6 million dollar Kreider doesn't cut it. You switch out the old superstar for the young one. Then you likely move Chytil to RW and use Matthew, Z and Tro up the middle. This will never happen.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Igor gets UFA money in 2 years. Feel free to lay out a cap strategy were we have Mcdavid, matthews and mika, while also having fox and shesty.
Show me the rest of that roster? Because if its all guys at league minimum its a joke roster.

Rangers are going to have to look long and hard at Shesh related to his next contract. Does he return to last years form or is this year the new normal? What type of increase is he looking for?

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Rangers are going to have to look long and hard at Shesh related to his next contract. Does he return to last years form or is this year the new normal? What type of increase is he looking for?

Based on his career averages so far, might be somewhere in-between.

 

[duhmetreE]

Rangers are going to have to look long and hard at Shesh related to his next contract. Does he return to last years form or is this year the new normal? What type of increase is he looking for?

Why are we going to have to look long and hard? 5 year deal. Maaaaybe 6 if it drops his AAV a decent chunk.

He's 1 of our best players. He's put up godlike numbers his entire career. He had an 'off year' and ended up with 37 wins, 2.48GAA and .916%.

I do not think there's much to think about unless his 'asks' are absurd.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Based on his career averages so far, might be somewhere in-between.

Right, next years numbers will play a big factor into things and if it is somewhere in between still, really need to think if they want to invest $7-9MM in a goalie for 7 or 8 years when he'll be turning 30 the season the new deal kicks in

Why are we going to have to look long and hard? 5 year deal. Maaaaybe 6 if it drops his AAV a decent chunk.

He's 1 of our best players. He's put up godlike numbers his entire career. He had an 'off year' and ended up with 37 wins, 2.48GAA and .916%.

I do not think there's much to think about unless his 'asks' are absurd.

See my comment above, he's not taking a 5 or 6 year contract. It's going to be his last NHL deal and a team will give him 7 years as a ufa. He won't take less for more years.

 

[duhmetreE]

Right, next years numbers will play a big factor into things and if it is somewhere in between still, really need to think if they want to invest $7-9MM in a goalie for 7 or 8 years when he'll be turning 30 the season the new deal kicks in



See my comment above, he's not taking a 5 or 6 year contract. It's going to be his last NHL deal and a team will give him 7 years as a ufa. He won't take less for more years.

nah, he'll take a 6 year deal.

even if in this hypothetical, he only takes a 7-8 year deal... you sign him. You worry about the ramifications in a decade. No trade protection in the later years and set it up to be buyout friendly.

it's a non-issue.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Igor gets UFA money in 2 years. Feel free to lay out a cap strategy were we have Mcdavid, matthews and mika, while also having fox and shesty.
Show me the rest of that roster? Because if its all guys at league minimum its a joke roster.

Here we go. Going into July 1 2026

1) move last year of kreiders contract
2) move chytil for assets
3) panarin expires
4) trouba traded before 2026 to free space for Matthews in 2024

Prior to July 1 2026 resignings who will be on books for 2026-2027 season. Cap projected to be around $96mm for 2026-2027

1) Laff after a 2 year bridge this offseason then next contract signs for 4 X $6mm
2) Kakko after his bridge expires signs for 3 X $4.5
3) Lindgren 5 X $4.25
4) Kandre after a 2 year bridge this offseason then signs next contract for 4 X $6mm
5) Schneider after his upcoming 2 year bridge expires then signs for 4 X $3mm
6) Will Cuylle on a bridge at $1.5
7) Sykora on bridge at $1.25
8) McConnell Barker on bridge at $1mm
9) Vesey at $1mm
10) igor at $9mm

With the center depth, you move Mika to LW to play with McDavid

Mika-McDavid-Kakko
Laff-Matthews-Othmann
Cuylle-Trocheck-Vesey
Sykora- Mcconnell Barker- (goon like Rempe until trade deadline)

Lindgren-Fox
Kandre-Schneider
Jones/Robertson-vet 6D

Igor
Backup

Cap hits of forwards:
McDavid $14
Matthews: $12.5
Mika: $8.5
Laff: $6
Trocheck: $5.6
Kakko: $4.5
Othmann: $2.25
Cuylle: $1.5
Sykora: $1.25
Mcconnnell barker: $1
Vesey: $$1
Rempe: $850K
13th $850K

Total forwards cap hit: about $59.8

Defense:
Fox: $9.5
Kandre: $6
Lindgren: $4.25
Schneider: $3
Jones: $1
Vet 6D: $1

Total defense cap hits: $24.75

Igor: $9
Backup: $1

Total goalie cap hits: $10

Total cap hit: $94.55 and WELL below the projected $96mm cap.

 

[The Gloaming]

Can we lay the PS5 controller down? We are not going to have McDavid and Matthews. Feel free to get them in your chel GM mode though.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Can we lay the PS5 controller down? We are not going to have McDavid and Matthews. Feel free to get them in your chel GM mode though.

This. Odds are, we won't even have one of them, nvm both.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Can we lay the PS5 controller down? We are not going to have McDavid and Matthews. Feel free to get them in your chel GM mode though.

I agree i think its very unlikely wed get both. However, its not because of financials. Which just furthers my point, if AM wants to be here you sign his ass and dont ask a question. Its foolish to think any gm would pass on a 26 year old AM on an 8 year deal at $12.5mm. Really really really naive.

This. Odds are, we won't even have one of them, nvm both.

I agree. He asked me to lay out how it could be done and i did. Remember i didnt even propose getting mcdavid, i proposed getting AM when he hits ufa next year. He said lets pass in the hopes we could get mcdavid. My point is signing AM doesnt prevent u from taking a run at mcjesus

 

[haohmaru]

Can we lay the PS5 controller down? We are not going to have McDavid and Matthews. Feel free to get them in your chel GM mode though.

We'd have an awesome top six and the worst bottom six in the league.

That wins you precisely nothing.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

We'd have an awesome top six and the worst bottom six in the league.

That wins you precisely nothing.

Is that bottom 6 better or worse than the bottom 6 we started the year with? You act like having were better off with a slightly better 3rd line than having mcdavid now lol.

 

[bleedblue94]

People are out of their minds if they think that as the cap jumps big that the league stars arent going to be completely eating up those cap increases on their future contracts. the stars are NOT going to take proportional increases based on the cap increase, you will see the stars making star level money and the bottom/mid guys holding more lateral to what they have been getting prior to the cap bump.

Teams want stars to market, nhl stars are embarrassed about their salaries compared to other league's stars, a pool of money is going to open up and teams will prioritize that to getting marketable stars ahead of distributing money throughout the roster proportionally. There will be players available after cap money is eaten up by stars and then mid tier guys are just going to have to deal with it, which is a trend that started a few years ago.

MCD is getting 16+, the league stars are going to start growing a greater gap between the middle class of the league.

 

[haohmaru]

Is that bottom 6 better or worse than the bottom 6 we started the year with? You act like having were better off with a slightly better 3rd line than having mcdavid now lol.

Worse. Significantly so. As is our winger situation with Kreider and Panarin being replaced by Kakko and f***ing Othmann. It's comical. You've got 5 players in your forward group that haven't proven a thing at an NHL level and are significantly worse than the players they're supposedly replacing.

But, yeah, our Center depth looks fantastic.

This is a completely nonsensical argument and discussion. It's a waste of time.

 

[haohmaru]

people are out of their minds if they think that as the cap jumps that the league stars arent going to be completely eating up those cap increases on their contracts. the stars are going to take proportional increases based on the cap increase, you will see the stars making star level money and the bottom/mid guys holding more lateral to what they have been getting prior to the cap bump.

People want stars to market, nhl stars are embarrassed about their salaries compared to other league's stars, a pool of money is going to open up and teams will prioritize that on getting marketable stars ahead of distributing money throughout the roster proportionally. There will be players available after cap money after cap money is eaten up by stars and then mid tier guys are just going to have to deal with it, which is a trend that started a few years ago.

MCD is getting 16+, the league stars are going to start growing a greater gap between the middle class of the league.

Exactly. Auston Mathews, aka playoff ghost, isn't signing for 12.5 when the cap jumps by 4-5 million the year after this. He's 13+ minimum.

IMHO, he'll never hit UFA anyway. The Leafs will either sign him to a long term deal this summer or deal him somewhere that intends on signing him. He'll never sniff UFA.

 

[bleedblue94]

Exactly. Auston Mathews, aka playoff ghost, isn't signing for 12.5 when the cap jumps by 4-5 million the year after this. He's 13+ minimum.

IMHO, he'll never hit UFA anyway. The Leafs will either sign him to a long term deal this summer or deal him somewhere that intends on signing him. He'll never sniff UFA.

leafs are so f***ed right now with him bc if this playoffs goes sour do they even want to keep that core together? he has a NMC next season so they have to make a decision this summer AND get an answer from him BEFORE that clause kicks in, otherwise they have a huge asset that can just walk as a ufa, they will be on the other end of the taveras thing for the islanders. And i know matthews loves the celebrity life but there are other nhl markets that he can live it, and i wont be surprised if he does leave. honestly, the circus in toronto for the past 7 years that he has been a part of, why would he want to stay if he can get paid elsewhere.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The Leaf player I'd be interested in if they want to blow it up is Nylander.

 

[haohmaru]

leafs are so f***ed right now with him bc if this playoffs goes sour do they even want to keep that core together? he has a NMC next season so they have to make a decision this summer AND get an answer from him BEFORE that clause kicks in, otherwise they have a huge asset that can just walk as a ufa, they will be on the other end of the taveras thing for the islanders. And i know matthews loves the celebrity life but there are other nhl markets that he can live it, and i wont be surprised if he does leave. honestly, the circus in toronto for the past 7 years that he has been a part of, why would he want to stay if he can get paid elsewhere.

That market can suck the life out of your career. Tavares made the wrong move oh so long ago.

He's a nice player. I'm not on the train that says he's top 5 in the league. He's not. I can probably rattle off 10-20 players I'd take over him without a second thought.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

These games they play with the kids salaries are just dirty. I legitimately feel bad for them.

I’m pretty sure they got the steak knives

 

[UnSandvich]

Assuming his contract demands are reasonable, and we have the space (neither of which are in any way a guarantee):

Would you sign Bunting for next year? After the playoffs & season he had?

 

[nsvoyageurs]

Can we lay the PS5 controller down? We are not going to have McDavid and Matthews. Feel free to get them in your chel GM mode though.

If anyone thinks the NYR are getting both Matthews and McDavid, you need to stop taking the hallucinogens you must be inhaling. LOL

 

[The Crypto Guy]

So on TBS post-game show, they had the schedule up and said the game starts at 830 on Saturday night, we knew because it was ABC it wouldn't start at 8, but i guess they let us know the real puck drop time..sorry but that's kind of ridiculous to start the game that late, hopefully there isn't multiple OTs or the fans will be there all night.