Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

[DanielBrassard]

I don't anticipate Lindgren going anywhere for next season, they already will have 1 hole to fill which will hopefully be either Jones or Robertson. Goodrow seems likelier and he's much more easily replaceable. Kakko/Lafreniere seems more of a possibility especially if that allows them to keep Kane or Tarasenko plus Othmann pushing for a spot.

 

[The Gloaming]

Holy shit. Messier makes Tom Wilson look like a schoolgirl.

Really funny how fans around the league think this is how Trouba plays.

 

[Machinehead]

Say what you will about Lafreniere, show me the list of players putting up about 40 points for less than Lafreniere makes on a bridge deal.

Let's not be dishonest. You're not suggesting filling the hole for cheaper. You're suggesting leaving the hole there because f*** this team for winning games and having players over 25.

 

[MrAlmost]

Can the Rangers afford 3 scoring lines with a $83.5M cap? How do the Rangers fill out the rest of the lineup?

Sure they can. Here ya go. And that's without bringing in a single player that isn't already team controlled. Don't think Othmann can cut it as 3rd RW? Sign a league minimum vet. Dont like Jake? Fine. Hopefully Motte is back on a 2 year 1.1 or 1.2 deal. That moves Brod to 13th forward. Think they are going to sign Kane? Not if he doesnt take a deep, DEEP discount. Do we really think Chytil or Miller are going to get more than that? I like Chytil and I love Miller, but their performance and the market dictate that it is between $4-5. The team is finally deep the way other Stanley Cup teams are deep and you are suggesting ruining that depth cause ice time and futures. I am not saying they will go one way or the other, but saying they can't is wrong.

 

[The Gloaming]

Lindy is important to this team. Plays on the first pairing and 1st PK - takes no shit from anyone, has a mean streak, and very rarely makes a defensive mistake. He's just so solid out there - even when he was injured and going to the locker room every 10 minutes in the playoffs, he wasn't prone to making mistakes.

I like the idea of keeping Miller and Fox separated. Then one of them is on the ice most of the game. That kind of depth is crucial.

And aside from Miller, our LD is very bleak. We don't have a Lindy replacement.

He doesn't put up many points and he doesn't get around the league hype like Girardi got in the Torts days. That should keep his future cap hit lower than what he is actually worth to the team.

 

[Machinehead]

If you got rid of Goodrow, I don't think it's an impossibility that Kane signs for that money.

He's not gonna have a bevy of great options. Everyone is right up against the cap and I'm expecting a historically slow free agency day.

At some point, the market is going to shift towards what teams have available to give.

 

[NYR Viper]

I am not sure that Drury adding Kane and Tarasenko was a indictment on Kaako as much as it was Kane falling in his lap. By all indications, it seemed like the addition of Tarasenko was to augment the RW spot that players like Goodrow and Vesey were filling for most of the season and Drury was happy with those additions. Perhaps they would have looked at another depth winger but it was doubtful he was looking to push Kaako down specifically. Now, once Kane became a real option for a minimal cost, it seemed like a no-brainer.

I don't see Kaako being the odd-man out here

If you got rid of Goodrow, I don't think it's an impossibility that Kane signs for that money.

He's not gonna have a bevy of great options. Everyone is right up against the cap and I'm expecting a historically slow free agency day.

At some point, the market is going to shift towards what teams have available to give.

Especially if they give him a decent term, say 3-4 years

 

[McRanger92]

I'm not reacting purely out of emotion. I just flat out disagree as I have already stated. I'm looking at it from the perspective that they are trading a top LD on an already thin and suspect group. Who do we have that can take his place exactly? Are you sold on Robertson? Jones? The fact that Harpur is still playing means maybe the Rangers aren't. I'm not one that likes to weaken already suspect areas of this team and I would be very worried depending on a Miller-Mikkola-Robertson/Jones left side. You also need guys like Lindgren in the playoffs.

Fair enough. But I'd argue LD is quite deep organizationally compared to RW or C. Miller is a top pair LD, and we're so strong on the right side it's just not economically prudent to extend Lindgren when you have other areas you want to sure up, specifically at RW where we have 0 top 6 capable scorers under contract for next year. There is also a reason Drury is letting Jones & Robertson play a lot of games and big minutes in Hartford; he has plans for them. Trust me, trading Lindgren is painful and I dont want to do it in a vacuum. But, I will not be over the moon if the team loses out on a real chance to win a Cup by overpaying another 0 offense, all defense player like we did during the Lundqvist years.

 

[Machinehead]

I think the one player where it's possible to get what he does for cheaper, and let's assume the $4.5m number, is Chytil. I'm not saying get rid of him, I'm saying it's possible.

If Laf and Kakko come in at $2.1m, I challenge you to show me the better options.

I'm sure they're out there somewhere but it would be a risk.

 

[Kocur26]

I think the one player where it's possible to get what he does for cheaper, and let's assume the $4.5m number, is Chytil. I'm not saying get rid of him, I'm saying it's possible.

If Laf and Kakko come in at $2.1m, I challenge you to show me the better options.

I'm sure they're out there somewhere but it would be a risk.

Kakko is gone

 

[tomobson]

Kakko and Laf are cheap NHL players. Not sure why people would want to move on from them. Chytil will be the most expensive one but I think he can easily slide into a top 6 RW role and not have problems producing. If the rangers can't hang on to Vlad or Kane just throw Chytil on the top 6 and get a cheap 3c.

 

[bobbop]

Eventually Staal was moved in 2012. Six years after Pittsburgh selected him 2nd overall.

And the lesson here is that Staal wanted to be a top six center. He has not been since the trade.

 

[Machinehead]

Kakko is gone

For what?

Again, he's an NHL player and eats top 9 minutes.

He's the best RW on the team under team control.

I'm begging somebody to show me who's replacing him.

 

[Hire Sather]

I've begun to doubt both Laf and Kakko will be on the team next year. One will be but I think we try to flip one for a good 2023 pick or maybe a guy on an ELC

 

[McRanger92]

For what?

Again, he's an NHL player and eats top 9 minutes.

He's the best RW on the team under team control.

I'm begging somebody to show me who's replacing him.

Othmann or Cuylle probably. The reasoning around trading him for me, would be that he would have more value with 1 year left at 2.1 then RFA and every dollar matters. I'd rather do everything I could to keep Kane and Tarasenko rather than hope Kakko becomes more than a slower and less gritty Jesper Fast.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I’d like the see the team actually win with Tarasenko or Kane before committing to them and trading away the youth to fit them lol

Just me though

 

[IronBloodedLion]

For what?

Again, he's an NHL player and eats top 9 minutes.

He's the best RW on the team under team control.

I'm begging somebody to show me who's replacing him.

This is what people aren’t getting. Even if you trade Kakko you then have to replace him. Kakko this year and next year is on the cheap. He’s still really young in his career, and although he admittedly hasn’t produced to his Draft position, he’s still producing.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I've begun to doubt both Laf and Kakko will be on the team next year. One will be but I think we try to flip one for a good 2023 pick or maybe a guy on an ELC

Well now they're both definitely going to be here next year.

 

[Machinehead]

Othmann or Cuylle probably. The reasoning around trading him for me, would be that he would have more value with 1 year left at 2.1 then RFA and every dollar matters. I'd rather do everything I could to keep Kane and Tarasenko rather than hope Kakko becomes more than a slower and less gritty Jesper Fast.

Othmann is already in the top 9 even if you keep Kakko and one of Tarsenko/Kane. Either him or Vesey.

You're not keeping both Kane and Tarasenko without cheating. And watch the league finally crack down on LTIR once we do it.

Opening the season with Kane, Cuylle, and a guy who's never played in the NHL is rough for a team that's supposed to be winning.

Othmann also can't skate and Laf/Kakko were ahead of him at the same age every single year. Penciling Othmann in matter of factly is bold to say the least.

 

[duhmetreE]

Sure they can. Here ya go. And that's without bringing in a single player that isn't already team controlled. Don't think Othmann can cut it as 3rd RW? Sign a league minimum vet. Dont like Jake? Fine. Hopefully Motte is back on a 2 year 1.1 or 1.2 deal. That moves Brod to 13th forward. Think they are going to sign Kane? Not if he doesnt take a deep, DEEP discount. Do we really think Chytil or Miller are going to get more than that? I like Chytil and I love Miller, but their performance and the market dictate that it is between $4-5. The team is finally deep the way other Stanley Cup teams are deep and you are suggesting ruining that depth cause ice time and futures. I am not saying they will go one way or the other, but saying they can't is wrong.

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I honestly think KAM and Chytil get 2 years $4M. KAM may even get less at 2 years.
Goodrow is gone. Tank takes up that salary. Maybe a 1x$4M or 2x$4M
KANE to LTIR - if they choose to go that route.

It's a luxury to have Patty Kane on our team, we can make it work like we made it work this TDL.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Fair enough. But I'd argue LD is quite deep organizationally compared to RW or C. Miller is a top pair LD, and we're so strong on the right side it's just not economically prudent to extend Lindgren when you have other areas you want to sure up, specifically at RW where we have 0 top 6 capable scorers under contract for next year. There is also a reason Drury is letting Jones & Robertson play a lot of games and big minutes in Hartford; he has plans for them. Trust me, trading Lindgren is painful and I dont want to do it in a vacuum. But, I will not be over the moon if the team loses out on a real chance to win a Cup by overpaying another 0 offense, all defense player like we did during the Lundqvist years.

I get what you are saying and I want a cup now just like you do but maybe there is a way of keeping at least 1 of Kane or Tarasenko and not weakening the D at the same time. It depends on how much the cap goes up and other factors. There will be some tough decisions made this off season and a lot will depend on how players perform in the playoffs.

 

[NYR Viper]

If you look at cap distribution, a RW contigent that includes:

Kane @ $4m
Tarasenko @ $5m
Kaako @ $2.1m
Vesey @ $0.8m

Shuffling these guys around on various lines isn't a problem and the overall cap allocation isn't absurd.

If the cap goes up by $3m and Goodrow is traded, it fits

 

[duhmetreE]

I think Kane is a long shot. It would have to be for LTIR.

Tank has made me enjoy watching our top line at 5v5.... That's priceless. Sign the man. I do not care if it costs Goodrow. It's not like he's lighting it up production wise, so the cost cant be that high. 1x$4M or 2x$4M.. . If he wants to be here, he'll be here.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Maybe I’m not paying close enough attention but I don’t know what people are seeing in Cuylee and Othmann to pencil them into the lineup next season out of the gate

Wouldn’t say either are spectacularly crushing expectations at this point

And we’ve seen how well it’s gone for the team when they’ve tried to rush guys into the lineup when they may not be ready

 

[Fitzy]

You guys are just wrong about the team selling the kids. This isn't the Neal Smith era. Drury knows he has a competitive roster for many years to come and isn't going to burn everything down for 1-2 seasons with 30+ re-signings.

These are rentals folks. They were never meant to be anything more than rentals. They aren't coming back.