Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

[PuckLuck3043]

Don't let his style of play and heart cloud your judgement. We'd be looking to move Lindgren anyway a year or 2 after he signed any extension. He's not a core piece and not irreplaceable.

There are only 3 guys on this team that are irreplaceable. Mika, Fox, and Shesty. The left side of this defense is thin to begin with and you want to trade a first pair 25yo D who works well with Fox and who is only making 3 mil next year? Moving him a year or 2 after he signs an extension means we would have him for another 2-3 years which is what I want during this cup window. Relying on a left side of Miller, Mikkola, and Robertson/Jones is playing a dangerous game.

 

[Greg02]

He's been averaging 35 goals per 82 games going back to 2017(!!!)

He has to play 82 games, I think that's the valid takeaway, but it's very overstated how much he's been putting up outlier numbers.

He's on pace for 37 this year and his shooting percentage is down 3 points from where it was the two years prior.

A 35-40 goal scorer is what he is.

Even the playing 82 games thing is overstated; yeah he misses a few games each year whatever, but the two Covid years skew the entire conversation.

 

[Machinehead]

There are only 3 guys on this team that are irreplaceable. Mika, Fox, and Shesty. The left side of this defense is thin to begin with and you want to trade a first pair 25yo D who works well with Fox and who is only making 3 mil next year? Moving him a year or 2 after he signs an extension means we would have have for another 2-3 years which is what I want during this cup window. Relying on a left side of Miller, Mikkola, and Robertson/Jones is playing a dangerous game.

It's not that I'm in any rush to move Lindgren now.

It's that, after next year, you're committing to him or not. He's going to command a bit of money and potentially some type of NTC.

He's a complimentary piece that already has a lot of mileage. Committing to those players almost always backfires.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

It's not that I'm in any rush to move Lindgren now.

It's that, after next year, you're committing to him or not. He's going to command a bit of money and potentially some type of NTC.

He's a complimentary piece that already has a lot of mileage. Committing to those players almost always backfires.

I think a 4-5 year deal that takes him to 29/30 is fine. If we follow the Dan Girardi timeline, that's probably when he starts declining and you let him walk.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Even the playing 82 games thing is overstated; yeah he misses a few games each year whatever, but the two Covid years skew the entire conversation.

Eh kind of.

He was out injured with a broken foot when they went on the covid pause in 2020. He likely wouldn't have played again that year unless they got into the playoffs.

He sucked in the other covid season. Glad that wasn't the norm for him after.

 

[McRanger92]

There are only 3 guys on this team that are irreplaceable. Mika, Fox, and Shesty. The left side of this defense is thin to begin with and you want to trade a first pair 25yo D who works well with Fox and who is only making 3 mil next year? Moving him a year or 2 after he signs an extension means we would have have for another 2-3 years which is what I want during this cup window. Relying on a left side of Miller, Mikkola, and Robertson/Jones is playing a dangerous game.

I would trade him because we can recoup a high draft pick or 2, save 2+ million on the cap to keep other players and have young players ready to step into larger roles at his position. Gotta take the emotion out of it. Lindgren isn't going to become less injured as we go along, and I dont like the reasoning that Fox 'needs' him to be successful. Miller & Fox need to be playing together, while Trouba helps along Jones like he did Miller before. It's whats best for the overall health of the organization.

Eh kind of.

He was out injured with a broken foot when they went on the covid pause in 2020. He likely wouldn't have played again that year unless they got into the playoffs.

He sucked in the other covid season. Glad that wasn't the norm for him after.

Everyone and everything sucked that year. We deserve what we have now for going through that shit sandwich of a season.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I would trade him because we can recoup a high draft pick or 2, save 2+ million on the cap to keep other players and have young players ready to step into larger roles at his position. Gotta take the emotion out of it. Lindgren isn't going to become less injured as we go along, and I dont like the reasoning that Fox 'needs' him to be successful. Miller & Fox need to be playing together, while Trouba helps along Jones like he did Miller before. It's whats best for the overall health of the organization.

I dont think miller and fox need to play together. I like the idea that you split them to maximize the benefits.
You then have one on the ice for 45/60 minutes.
Thats significantly better than most teams and one of the reasons the lightning won the cup, was they had one of McD or Hedman on the ice for huge stretches.

I think you sign lindgren to something reasonable for 4/5 years, and then in year 4 you move him for a first pre draft, and again keep the young talent flowing.

 

[RangerBoy]

The penguins should have traded Jordan staal when he was 22. They had Crosby and Malkin ahead of him. He was never going to play over them.

We cry about not having any depth and then the minute we actually have some, some people are ready to blow it up.

This is the deepest the rangers have been at center in decades.

Eventually Staal was moved in 2012. Six years after Pittsburgh selected him 2nd overall.

 

[McRanger92]

I dont think miller and fox need to play together. I like the idea that you split them to maximize the benefits.
You then have one on the ice for 45/60 minutes.
Thats significantly better than most teams and one of the reasons the lightning won the cup, was they had one of McD or Hedman on the ice for huge stretches.

I think you sign lindgren to something reasonable for 4/5 years, and then in year 4 you move him for a first pre draft, and again keep the young talent flowing.

To you point, Hedman and McDonagh won 2 Cups playing a lot with guys like Bogosian and Schenn. Cernak too, who just signed an 8 year, 5.2M AAV deal at age 25. I'm just not looking to give that type of contract to Lindgren for his role. He's our 4th best defenseman today at best and Schneider seems to be trending up as well.

 

[RangerBoy]

I respect RB as a poster but his takes have been getting really bad of late.

"Vancouver is the Naslund-Bertuzzi show. They should just trade the Sedin twins and get it over with"

Why? Because I didn’t like the idea of getting Kane?

 

[PuckLuck3043]

It's not that I'm in any rush to move Lindgren now.

It's that, after next year, you're committing to him or not. He's going to command a bit of money and potentially some type of NTC.

He's a complimentary piece that already has a lot of mileage. Committing to those players almost always backfires.

They will have to make a decision but if they move him on a left side that is already thin and suspect that could also backfire. He's also more than a complimentary piece and he's only 25. He's an important part of this team, a warrior, and not ready for the nursing home just yet.

 

[RangerBoy]

Trading for futures? Just the ticket for a team aiming to win The Cup.

The game has changed pal. Three scoring lines is the new neutral zone trap. Possession, persistence and scoring.

Can the Rangers afford 3 scoring lines with a $83.5M cap? How do the Rangers fill out the rest of the lineup?

 

[The Gloaming]

Eventually Staal was moved in 2012. Six years after Pittsburgh selected him 2nd overall.

Ok, so who is going to play 3C? Are we overpaying in free agency or going with an unproven kid? And don't say Goodrow.

 

[Leonardo87]

They will have to make a decision but if they move him on a left side that is already thin and suspect that could also backfire. He's also more than a complimentary piece and he's only 25. He's an important part of this team, a warrior, and not ready for the nursing home just yet.

I'd prefer to keep Lindgren, like you said he is a warrior and need that in the line up. Hopefully the cap will go up enough to be able to fit him in when his contract is up after next season.

I also think the Lindgren - Fox pairing is underrated. Fox is a top D without him still or course, but think he just makes him better because he can compliment his game.

 

[RangerBoy]

You're hanging onto the idea that the kids would be stars if they just got a chance.

If we hitched our wagon to the kids, we'd be waiting to see if we won the Bedard lottery instead of making playoff avatars.

We went out and acquired two RWs before the deadline because we left that position wide ass open for the kids and neither of them solidified a spot even with no competition. Do we really need to rehash trading Buchnevich just to trade him? It was universally panned.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko was a solid line but did he score on that line? Did the line score? No.

Whether you blame the failure on the organization or the players themselves is a very worthwhile discussion, but opportunity is not the cause. They've had chance after chance. They got top six ice time all year. Lafreniere is still on PP1 as we speak and has like 2 powerplay points in his career. What more could you want than that?

We have to let go of the Dark Ages. It happened because we were the worst drafting team in pro sports. We're not anymore. We're certainly not the best, but we're lightyears ahead of where we used to be. Being able to bring in star players is an advantage and we shouldn't not take it because our front office shit in the bed in mid-90's.

Are you in favor of keeping the kids and paying them more money and hoping they become stars?

Edge did say Drury had an offer with #1 pick and a young player/prospect for Buchnevich and Drury opted for Blais and a 2nd because Blais would have in the Rangers lineup rather than acquiring futures.

 

[duhmetreE]

I was dead serious. If Mika elbowed more guys in the head when they werent looking, they'd be the exact same player

 

[McRanger92]

Are you in favor of keeping the kids and paying them more money and hoping they become stars?

Edge did say Drury had an offer with #1 pick and a young player/prospect for Buchnevich and Drury opted for Blais and a 2nd because Blais would have in the Rangers lineup rather than acquiring futures.

The first wouldve been traded at last years deadline anyway and Kupari would have contributed about as much as Blais did to this team

 

[duhmetreE]

Can the Rangers afford 3 scoring lines with a $83.5M cap? How do the Rangers fill out the rest of the lineup?

yes. Even at 83.5 it could fit with some trimming.

Luckily it will be way more than 83.5

 

[RangerBoy]

Dan Girardi got 6 years/33M

Girardi was 30 at that time. Lindgren will be a group II next summer with arbitration rights. One year away from group III. Lindy will be 26 next summer. How much for a 4-5 year deal which takes him to 30-31? One year of group II and 3-4 years of group III. The wheels aren't falling the bus at 30/31.

 

[NYR Viper]

I wonder what a 7-8 year deal for Lindgren would actually cost in terms of cap hit. Are we talking $4m? $3.85m? He doesn't put up a ton of points and he has some health concerns. Perhaps the extended term pushes the cap hit down to something more resembling an average 2nd pairing d-man (which will eventually look like a 3rd pairing d-man later in his deal). That would be a contract from 26-32/33

 

[RangerBoy]

Maybe playoff performances will help determine who might move.

Larry Brooks has mentioned this.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I would trade him because we can recoup a high draft pick or 2, save 2+ million on the cap to keep other players and have young players ready to step into larger roles at his position. Gotta take the emotion out of it. Lindgren isn't going to become less injured as we go along, and I dont like the reasoning that Fox 'needs' him to be successful. Miller & Fox need to be playing together, while Trouba helps along Jones like he did Miller before. It's whats best for the overall health of the organization.



Everyone and everything sucked that year. We deserve what we have now for going through that shit sandwich of a season.

I'm not reacting purely out of emotion. I just flat out disagree as I have already stated. I'm looking at it from the perspective that they are trading a top LD on an already thin and suspect group. Who do we have that can take his place exactly? Are you sold on Robertson? Jones? The fact that Harpur is still playing means maybe the Rangers aren't. I'm not one that likes to weaken already suspect areas of this team and I would be very worried depending on a Miller-Mikkola-Robertson/Jones left side. You also need guys like Lindgren in the playoffs.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I'd prefer to keep Lindgren, like you said he is a warrior and need that in the line up. Hopefully the cap will go up enough to be able to fit him in when his contract is up after next season.

I also think the Lindgren - Fox pairing is underrated. Fox is a top D without him still or course, but think he just makes him better because he can compliment his game.

Exactly. I think he is being underrated by some. He's a very valuable piece and he is exactly the type of guy you need in the playoffs.

 

[Machinehead]

Are you in favor of keeping the kids and paying them more money and hoping they become stars?

Edge did say Drury had an offer with #1 pick and a young player/prospect for Buchnevich and Drury opted for Blais and a 2nd because Blais would have in the Rangers lineup rather than acquiring futures.

If we did move on from the kids, who are we getting to replace them that's going to be cheaper? They're NHL-caliber players with RFA expiry, I wouldn't exactly be in a rush to mess around with that.

The team that wins the Cup is usually a team that's icing exclusively NHL players, or close to it. Seems very obvious but still very much needs to be said.

As underwhelming as they are, they would leave massive holes. Punching holes in a roster that can win to get a late first is gross negligence.

Why? Because I didn’t like the idea of getting Kane?

No, because you're likening getting Kane for basically nothing and having him be our 4th most important forward, to asking Eric Lindros on his 9th or so concussion to carry a terrible team on his back.

Not every veteran acquisition is the same.

 

[bobbop]

Can the Rangers afford 3 scoring lines with a $83.5M cap? How do the Rangers fill out the rest of the lineup?

Next year is next year.