Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

[Machinehead]

Maybe I’m not paying close enough attention but I don’t know what people are seeing in Cuylee and Othmann to pencil them into the lineup next season out of the gate

Wouldn’t say either are spectacularly crushing expectations at this point

And we’ve seen how well it’s gone for the team when they’ve tried to rush guys into the lineup when they may not be ready

Lafreniere was a better prospect at every age and has a similar skillset.

Othmann put up 1.46 PPG in the CHL in his D+1. Lafreniere put up 1.72 PPG in the CHL in his D minus 1.

You can't say "let's move on from Laf" and then hand Othmann a spot like nothing could go wrong. It directly contradicts.

 

[kovazub94]

Because it’s not giving up on them it’s trying to win a Cup in a REAL window when u have arguably the best top 6 in the league a vezina winner and a Norris winner. It’s not about the kids right now.

Kakko is not worth hurting that opportunity in anyway. I’m old enough to know these windows don’t come around often. Even if you rebuild forever. Plenty of teams do that and go nowhere. You need the right mix at exactly the right time.

I’d trade any and all of lindgren Goodrow kakko and very last even chytil as painful as that would be, if it meant getting Tarasenko to stay and Kane on a short 2 or 3 year contract. And I’d get plenty of assets back in the process for that next window.

Lindgren we feel it when he’s out but we’d figure it out eventually. We already are quite frankly. What’d we just go 8-2-1 with him out? Fox too good not to figure it out eventually. I don’t want lindgren Long term.

The Rangers were just fine for the last two seasons in the row getting to TDL and then get reinforcements while the kids continue their developments (maybe slower than some want / expect but tough babkas). So I absolutely don't see a reason to get off this approach in order to sign a couple of late 30 year-olds. Do we really need Kane for the whole year?? Do we really want to give Tarasenko $6m for the next 4 years?? Kane already earned his career $$. If this run is successful and he wants another - he can return for $1m and then I will think of moving Goodrow's $3.6m to resign all RFAs (maybe one / two of them long-term) and accrue cap space to bring in whatever's needed at TDL.

This need for radical moves while the current approach seems to provide essentially the best of both worlds in terms of current window and extended one in dumbfounding.

 

[New York RKY]

Kakko is gone

Gotta make room for Kevin Hayes.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

Holy shit. Messier makes Tom Wilson look like a schoolgirl.

Really funny how fans around the league think this is how Trouba plays.

Holy flying elbows. That was probably every single elbow he ever threw.

Messier was still a really good body checker irrespective of that propaganda.

 

[Fitzy]

I don't see any reason why Drury won't do the exact same thing next year that he's done the previous 2, which is to build a lineup with some placeholder players, hope they grow into the role, and then add what we need as rentals at the deadline.

Zucc is a UFA in the summer of 2024. You think there's no chance we bring in new deadline players next year with the cap staying low? I'd say it's almost a certainty. Buying deadline players has never been as big a part of building a successful team as it is right now. Only way to load up with a salary cap.

 

[RangerBoy]

I think the one player where it's possible to get what he does for cheaper, and let's assume the $4.5m number, is Chytil. I'm not saying get rid of him, I'm saying it's possible.

If Laf and Kakko come in at $2.1m, I challenge you to show me the better options.

I'm sure they're out there somewhere but it would be a risk.

Lafreniere is taking the Kakko deal?

Sure they can. Here ya go. And that's without bringing in a single player that isn't already team controlled. Don't think Othmann can cut it as 3rd RW? Sign a league minimum vet. Dont like Jake? Fine. Hopefully Motte is back on a 2 year 1.1 or 1.2 deal. That moves Brod to 13th forward. Think they are going to sign Kane? Not if he doesnt take a deep, DEEP discount. Do we really think Chytil or Miller are going to get more than that? I like Chytil and I love Miller, but their performance and the market dictate that it is between $4-5. The team is finally deep the way other Stanley Cup teams are deep and you are suggesting ruining that depth cause ice time and futures. I am not saying they will go one way or the other, but saying they can't is wrong.

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The Rangers are facing a performance bonus overage.

 

[duhmetreE]

Wholly flying elbows. That was probably every single elbow he ever threw.

Messier was still a really good body checker irrespective of that propaganda.

I can't say I'm for his attacking flying elbows... but getting your elbow up when someone is trying to hit you.... the vet savvy move

 

[haohmaru]

For what?

Again, he's an NHL player and eats top 9 minutes.

He's the best RW on the team under team control.

I'm begging somebody to show me who's replacing him.

It’s nonsense.

 

[RangerBoy]

I don't see any reason why Drury won't do the exact same thing next year that he's done the previous 2, which is to build a lineup with some placeholder players, hope they grow into the role, and then add what we need as rentals at the deadline.

Zucc is a UFA in the summer of 2024. You think there's no chance we bring in new deadline players next year with the cap staying low? I'd say it's almost a certainty. Buying deadline players has never been as big a part of building a successful team as it is right now. Only way to load up with a salary cap.

I forgot to respond to your Sedin twins example. The twins didn't have two layers of players competing for top six minutes. Bertuzzi, Morrison and Naslund. Those guys were done by the time the Sedin twins became top players. Out of contract. There was no salary cap until 05-06.

Keep trading away more assets for rentals. You say I have bad takes?

 

[cheech70]

You guys are just wrong about the team selling the kids. This isn't the Neal Smith era. Drury knows he has a competitive roster for many years to come and isn't going to burn everything down for 1-2 seasons with 30+ re-signings.

These are rentals folks. They were never meant to be anything more than rentals. They aren't coming back.

If Kane and Tank take a cut you run them with 8-20-10 for the next 2yrs if Cup we've reached our goal then sell them to recoup picks. Kaako for a 1st in this years draft.... sign me up.

 

[Fitzy]

I forgot to respond to your Sedin twins example. The twins didn't have two layers of players competing for top six minutes. Bertuzzi, Morrison and Naslund. Those guys were done by the time the Sedin twins became top players. Out of contract. There was no salary cap until 05-06.

Keep trading away more assets for rentals. You say I have bad takes?

I mean between the two of us we have nearly 100k posts so I think we've both had our fair share of bad takes.

Maybe the big guns won't be out of contract but there will be trades.

I don't see what's so offensive about keeping the kids in 2nd/3rd line roles. Like Machine has noted, they haven't exactly been forcing their way up the lineup. Doesn't matter to me where they were drafted now, they are solid cost controlled young NHL players who are only going to get better, not worse. We need that on our team.

Using assets for rentals is only if the placeholders don't work. If for example Othmann and Jones come in next season and do great, no assets necessary. But we're not the only team following this strategy. Almost every team with a shot at the cup added this year.

 

[Boris Zubov]

You know what?

You say that joking, but like...the body, the heart, the goal-scoring, the power, the 200-foot commitment, the clutch gene, can score from anywhere with his shot.

Messier had 10/10 edge and Zibanejad is like 1/10, but it's not a terrible comparison if you remove that one aspect.

Massive power-center who does everything and scores big goals.

Messier is decidedly better at pretty much of all of these things, don't get me wrong, and Zibanejad has none of the meanness (different times we live in), but the last centers to play this kind of style just in a hockey/skills respect are probably Messier and Lindros. He's that unique.

I'd say Getzlaf is the closest we've seen since those two.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I don't see any reason why Drury won't do the exact same thing next year that he's done the previous 2, which is to build a lineup with some placeholder players, hope they grow into the role, and then add what we need as rentals at the deadline.

Zucc is a UFA in the summer of 2024. You think there's no chance we bring in new deadline players next year with the cap staying low? I'd say it's almost a certainty. Buying deadline players has never been as big a part of building a successful team as it is right now. Only way to load up with a salary cap.

The problem with always adding rentals at the deadline is that you lose draft picks. You can't be doing this every year especially if you want to be a contender for the next 5 years or more. We have already traded away a number of high and mid level draft picks the last 2 years. There is every reason to expect that 1 of Tarasenko or Kane can be signed to a reasonable deal, and maybe 1 of Motte or Mikkola. We will just have to see how things play out over the next few months.

 

[UnSandvich]

Kane i could see taking a smaller deal, esp. if he/the team plans on having him on LTIR to start the season.

Tarasenko i don't see taking a discount. This is his last shot for a big contract.

 

[IDvsEGO]

The problem with always adding rentals at the deadline is that you lose draft picks. You can't be doing this every year especially if you want to be a contender for the next 5 years or more. We have already traded away a number of high and mid level draft picks the last 2 years. There is every reason to expect that 1 of Tarasenko or Kane can be signed to a reasonable deal, and maybe 1 of Motte or Mikkola. We will just have to see how things play out over the next few months.

So long as you don't move every draft pick every year you can have a farm system, especially if you're willing to take some shots and let kids simmer.
The issue is when you need to rush a kid like othmann because he's the only cheap option you have.

If you move first round picks, thats fine, so long as its not every single year, or only in years with weak classes.
But Look at this year, we still have a first, we have a third.
Next year we have everything but our 3rd.

Assuming somehow we find the room to extend miller,laf and chytil. We have a few option roster spots, but those can easily be plugged in, and give guys like cuylle and othmann shots.

Drury is also 2/2 on getting the maximum value on deadlines.

 

[McRanger92]

I don't see any reason why Drury won't do the exact same thing next year that he's done the previous 2, which is to build a lineup with some placeholder players, hope they grow into the role, and then add what we need as rentals at the deadline.

Zucc is a UFA in the summer of 2024. You think there's no chance we bring in new deadline players next year with the cap staying low? I'd say it's almost a certainty. Buying deadline players has never been as big a part of building a successful team as it is right now. Only way to load up with a salary cap.

Zucc and Tom Wilson as our deadline RW adds next year

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Zucc and Tom Wilson as our deadline RW adds next year

Well if you want to win in the playoffs the bolded would be the wrong add.

I would LMFAO if Wilson somehow ended up here.

 

[MrAlmost]

Lafreniere is taking the Kakko deal?


The Rangers are facing a performance bonus overage.

825K? Waive Jake and play 12 F, 7 D, 2 G for a month, maybe a month and a half and accrue enough cap to just call someone up. That is...not that big of a deal. Haha

 

[Leonardo87]

Well if you want to win in the playoffs the bolded would be the wrong add.

I would LMFAO if Wilson somehow ended up here.

Trouba and Wilson = Bash Brothers 2.0 lol.

 

[Machinehead]

I'd say Getzlaf is the closest we've seen since those two.

Getzlaf came to mind but Getzlaf wouldn't shoot at an empty net.

Zibanejad has 37 goals and 226 shots. Getzlaf never scored 37 goals (31) and took 226 shots once (227).

 

[IDvsEGO]

Zucc and Tom Wilson as our deadline RW adds next year

Did you miss that Zucc was pissed at leaving the rangers and very likely wants no part of returning? Did everyone miss that?
He decided on minn, because it would mean the rangers wouldn't get a first rd pick. Does that sound like a player who wants to come back on a cheap deal because he misses ny?

 

[Fitzy]

Did you miss that Zucc was pissed at leaving the rangers and very likely wants no part of returning? Did everyone miss that?
He decided on minn, because it would mean the rangers wouldn't get a first rd pick. Does that sound like a player who wants to come back on a cheap deal because he misses ny?

Not a cheap deal, but time has been known to heal wounds. Remember Messier burying a literal hatchet?

 

[Leonardo87]

Getzlaf came to mind but Getzlaf wouldn't shoot at an empty net.

Zibanejad has 37 goals and 226 shots. Getzlaf never scored 37 goals (31) and took 226 shots once (227).

Now they have Strome who shoots but misses empty nets.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Not a cheap deal, but time has been known to heal wounds. Remember Messier burying a literal hatchet?

I mean we cant afford anything but a cheap deal.

 

[BLOCKERSAVE]

Quinn at one point talked about how he was there to win games, and he basically sounded like gallant how he wasn't responsible to develop the kids.
Someone needed to tell quinn, if you wanted to win games you need to develop laf and kakko.

He gave kakko something like 5 games on the top line with panarin and mika.

He gave him like 2 games on the power play.

He gave laf like 5 games on the top. and absolutely no power play time.


As much as i really dislike gallant's handling of the kids, the past two nights the kids got heavy power play usage. and they looked strong.
I legit think we're going to go from one window to another.

Kakko won't be panarin, but laf will be. Chytil won't be mika but he'll be damn close. And kakko will be better than CK.

I agree with everything you said, but kakko will not be better than CK