Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

[duhmetreE]

The only way I trade Laffy if it's like Panarin and Laffy for Zegras.

No other deal makes any sense.

 

[The Gloaming]

Big no to Dubois ( who has quit on his team before) or Scheifele (who along with Wheeler is blamed for Jets locker room problems). Only guys from that team id be interested in are Ehlers and Lowry.

 

[bleedblue94]

The only way I trade Laffy if it's like Panarin and Laffy for Zegras.

No other deal makes any sense.

Why would the ducks do that? They have a franchise corner stone and they are trading him for a 32 year old winger and a 1oa pick that looks like a 3rs liner?

 

[duhmetreE]

Why would the ducks do that? They have a franchise corner stone and they are trading him for a 32 year old winger and a 1oa pick that looks like a 3rs liner?

I'm not saying they would. It's the only type of deal that I'd trade Laffy for.

There's zero reason to move him for pennies on the dollar. It's irrational

 

[Chytilmania]

Why would the ducks do that? They have a franchise corner stone and they are trading him for a 32 year old winger and a 1oa pick that looks like a 3rs liner?

Panarin and Strome connection plus if they get Bedard it’s his team. Zegras may bolt first chance he gets.

 

[JimmyG89]

If Drury is fully on board with moving Panarin, my first call is Yzerman in Detroit. The last time they made the postseason was 2015-16. They made moves last summer to try and get back in, and it didn't work. Eventually you have to get into the dance, and we do know that Panarin will at least elevate your team to that point.

Detroit has 30M in space and no pending UFA to lock up. Larkin was signed. I'm sure he wants to get into the playoffs at some point. I'd take Fabbri back, even if he is hurt all the time. Would probably be able to get some futures back as well.

With Tampa slowing down, and the others around them (Ottawa and Buffalo) seemingly passing them by, I think it can work out for everyone. Of course Panarin would have to want to go there, but he'd easily be their top line LW and would get their top PP minutes. Maybe you can sell Panarin on the fact that they've done well with Russian players in the past.

You cannot be in a perpetual rebuild after re-signing Larkin. Yzerman is going to have eyes on him. Lets say the Rangers retain enough to get him to an 9M cap hit, getting a 90 point winger at that rate for 3 seasons is not a bad deal.

 

[bleedblue94]

Panarin and Strome connection plus if they get Bedard it’s his team. Zegras may bolt first chance he gets.

Why would zegras "bolt" from a team that potentially has McTavish, bedard, z and has elite skill that can grow up together. It's like suggesting draisaitl considered "bolting" when the oilers landed McDavid

The ducks are rebuilding properly, that's what verbeek was hired for so suggesting they want panarin for the strome connection goes against that.

Wishful thinking

 

[RangerBoy]

EJ Hradek said there his rift between the front office and the coaching staff. Each side wanted different things. He expects the Rangers to hire Quenneville if Bettman allows him to return because the Rangers have a lot of money invested in certain players and they need those players to produce. Dark days are coming.

Drury built a collection of stars and not a team. No surprise. The Rangers have 9 top six forwards. That’s too much. Not a very balanced team.

 

[HonestGabe]

Really hope Panarin is gone. Start exploring the market for him. And I tried as long as I could to defend Laf but I just can't anymore. Get what you can from him now. Goodrow is probably gone.

I'd love to add a player like Tyler Bertuzzi to our top 6. I'd give him 6x6

Othmann and Cuylle should make the team.

Kreider - Zibanejad - Kakko
Bertuzzi - Trocheck - Tarasenko
Othmann - Chytil - ????
Cuylle - ???? - Vesey

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
??? Schneider

Find players who don't skate in quicksand to fill the blanks. We need more north-south players who win puck battles and don't get hemmed in their own zone if we want any chance of beating Jersey or Carolina in a 7 game series in the years to come.

Possible other UFA targets:

Erik Haula
Alex Kerfoot
Jesper Fast
Nick Bjugstad
Oskar Sundqvist
Nick Foligno
Mattias Janmark
Noel Acciari
Sean Monahan


This team needs a different look.

 

[Ruggs225]

You whats really shitty… the complete dearth of draft picks we have the next couple years too bc of Drury.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I’m not even necessarily against trading Lafreniere.

And I get there are a lot of limitations on what Drury can accomplish.

But if the only consequential “shake up” is trading Lafreniere/Kakko it would be so classic Rangers it hurts. Can’t even diagnose the right problems let alone the right solutions. I doubt they even consider changes to the d corps.

 

[haohmaru]

EJ Hradek said there his rift between the front office and the coaching staff. Each side wanted different things. He expects the Rangers to hire Quenneville if Bettman allows him to return because the Rangers have a lot of money invested in certain players and they need those players to produce. Dark days are coming.

Dark days are already here.

And yes, it's clear that Gallant and Drury are disconnected as to what kind of players they want, but Gallant wasn't going to win anything with his "type" of player because they would've been even slower than they already are.

Screw Gallant. He threw his team and his GM under the bus and didn't man up and say anything remotely humble about his part in this debacle.

I read a quote somewhere where it's well known by other coaching staffs that Gallant can't/won't adjust to anything and just keeps throwing the same shit at the wall hoping it's going to stick.

All he does is jumble lines and tell everyone that the other team was better.

He needs to get the f*** out of town. See ya.

 

[RangerBoy]

I hope every group brings a shit storm on the Rangers for hiring Quenneville.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I hope every group brings a shit storm on the Rangers for hiring Quenneville.

Short of a very public, in person, tearful apology to Kyle Beach, I honestly think I'm taking a break from rooting for this team if Quenneville is the coach.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

With the teams left in the playoffs, unless the players and the league come to some sort of agreement, I doubt the cap will go up more than $1MM. Rangers need to do something to change the mix up a bit. To me thats:

1. Fire Gallant and hire someone that can adapt on the fly. That's not Sutter or Quennville. I also don't think Quennville deserves to be allowed back in thr NHL.
2. Trade Goodrow and use his cap space to balance out the RW.
3. Have the discussion with Panarin about waiving his NMC and what teams he'd be interested in going. Try to work out a deal from there and further redistribute that cap space to balance out the team. There will likely be some retention needed but an additional ~$8MM is space worth help a lot.
4. 1 year deal for Laff. Give him regular top 6 minutes and PP1 time. Sink or swim time for him.
5. Don't rush Othmann to the NHL. Let's not break him too.
6. Give some of the kids in the AHL a shot for the 4th line to include Brodz. The Rangers have several prospects that could make an impact on the 4th line who can actually produce some.

 

[Fitzy]

All I have to say is if they plan on keeping this train rolling, we're going to need to start scouring the UDFA market for affordable viable options at forwards before too long.

We just don't have enough of a prospect pipeline left.

 

[Kords]

If Bettman needs to sign off on Q coming to the Rangers, it's safe to say he won't be coming to the Rangers.

 

[DanielBrassard]

EJ Hradek said there his rift between the front office and the coaching staff. Each side wanted different things. He expects the Rangers to hire Quenneville if Bettman allows him to return because the Rangers have a lot of money invested in certain players and they need those players to produce. Dark days are coming.

Drury built a collection of stars and not a team. No surprise. The Rangers have 9 top six forwards. That’s too much. Not a very balanced team.

9 top six forwards? Where?

 

[EdJovanovski]

I'm not saying they would. It's the only type of deal that I'd trade Laffy for.

There's zero reason to move him for pennies on the dollar. It's irrational

I'd trade him for pennies on the dollar before it becomes Venezuelan Bolivars on the dollar

 

[Fitzy]

9 top six forwards? Where?

I think insofar as 40 points is seen as low-end 2nd line production, he's making the case that Kakko and Laf are top 6 players.

I think NYR has 8, but is about to have 6.

Panarin, Zib, Kreider, Trocheck, Chytil, Kakko

Vesey and Goodrow are set to be 2/3rds of the 3rd line again if no additions are made. People always used to say it's better to build around center than wing, at least we are strong in that department.

 

[mike14]

All I have to say is if they plan on keeping this train rolling, we're going to need to start scouring the UDFA market for affordable viable options at forwards before too long.

We just don't have enough of a prospect pipeline left.

Othmann, Cuylle, Sykora, BMB are guys that should be knocking on the door in the next 2 seasons, and maybe Edstrom as well.
Then we've got a 1st and 3rd rounder this year and a 1st and 2nd next year, plus whatever trades/changes are done.

It's not a top tier pipeline but it's solid enough; if the kids already up can actually develop into top 6 line drivers

 

[DanielBrassard]

I think insofar as 40 points is seen as low-end 2nd line production, he's making the case that Kakko and Laf are top 6 players.

I think NYR has 8, but is about to have 6.

Panarin, Zib, Kreider, Trocheck, Chytil, Kakko

Vesey and Goodrow are set to be 2/3rds of the 3rd line again if no additions are made. People always used to say it's better to build around center than wing, at least we are strong in that department.

I said it earlier but Lafreniere scored at a 3rd line rate and doesn't move the needle driving play. Chytil sure and Kakko is borderline. So I could see 5 or 6, but not 9.

 

[zlev]

EJ Hradek said there his rift between the front office and the coaching staff. Each side wanted different things. He expects the Rangers to hire Quenneville if Bettman allows him to return because the Rangers have a lot of money invested in certain players and they need those players to produce. Dark days are coming.

Drury built a collection of stars and not a team. No surprise. The Rangers have 9 top six forwards. That’s too much. Not a very balanced team.

say what you want about Gallant but it's absolutely f***ed up for the GM to give the coach the opposite of what he wants at the deadline. how could you ever expect that to work out?

 

[DanielBrassard]

I’m not even necessarily against trading Lafreniere.

And I get there are a lot of limitations on what Drury can accomplish.

But if the only consequential “shake up” is trading Lafreniere/Kakko it would be so classic Rangers it hurts. Can’t even diagnose the right problems let alone the right solutions. I doubt they even consider changes to the d corps.

If they bring back the same defense with just Zac Jones it might work if Jones takes a huge step forward, but even then eh. And who knows if Jones will even get a chance. But yeah it would be typical for this FO to fail to understand what the real problem is with this roster.

 

[bleedblue94]

I’m not even necessarily against trading Lafreniere.

And I get there are a lot of limitations on what Drury can accomplish.

But if the only consequential “shake up” is trading Lafreniere/Kakko it would be so classic Rangers it hurts. Can’t even diagnose the right problems let alone the right solutions. I doubt they even consider changes to the d corps.

My biggest issue is that the limitations that exist on what he can do we're directly created by him. He knew what this cap outlook was, he knew who is going to need raises and when, and he still needs the decision to commit money to certain guys for certain terms in light of that without making other adjustments to ensure some sort of flexibility. People can bitch and moan all they want about what he inherited, but the bottom line is that when he was hired he had a plan in place and he had to know the outlook that was there. He has done nothing to properly navigate that and instead decided to make commitments that only boxed him into this core. And now if he wants to change things and get out of this court in any manner he is going to have to piss assets away like crazy to get out of some of these commitments. Again not all of these contracts are his fault, but he has compounded the issues that already existed here with percentages and terms by boxing this entire roster in to a committed window. He has to wear some of this as well