Speculation: Roster Building Thread V (2021 Offseason) - Hold them horses, only 45 days left until the draft!

[Machinehead]

They have alot of wingers, but Buchnevich is better than most of them except for Svechnikov. Also, Neidereiter is an upcoming FA after next season, he can replace him.

I mean if they want defense even better.

As far as I know, Nino only plays LW and Buch only plays RW, but I don't know who they could shift if they had to.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

As far as I know, Nino only plays LW and Buch only plays RW, but I don't know who they could shift if they had to.

capfriendly has Tuevo and Nino both as RW/LW

Canes top six could look something like.
Nino-Aho-Svech
Tuevo-Staal-Buch

Thats pretty damn good...

Would also take Necas who can play center instead.. Trocheck/Necas + Foegle too little? too much?

 

[bobbop]

I never bought that line for a second. It was obvious at a glance that the rebuild was far from finished and the results were not there. They rolled the dice and missed (or hit if a sale was the aim).

Meruelo at least has actual money behind him, especially so if he can start to milk that state gambling deal. Him being willing to invest in the team, scouting, player development etc and staying out of GMBA's way is the best hope for the Coyotes. But sure, I'll believe it when I see it.

Don’t bet your lunch money on Meruelo. There’s a lot of chatter that he is extremely cash poor and whatever he has on paper will not translate to operating capital.

 

[gravey9]

Not a specialist, it’s a big part of his game. Teams play their top 4 more then their third pair. Fox and trouba will be doing that in the interim, then Schneider enters the picture as well. Lundkvist is a great asset, but some of his best attributes are going to be wasted here. You can keep him on 3rd pair his rookie season. In real life rangers aren’t going to pay Trouba 8 mill a yr to be a 3rd pair guy

Or trouba or fox's best assets will be wasted here. Let's see what we've got in Nils first. If he turns to be the next Lidstrom (not offensively, but a mainstay top pairing D for 15 years and part of the team leadership) you won't be happy he was ever moved in lieu of moving other D. The thing with Nils that makes him someone to hold as long as possible -- unlike Schneider or Robertson or Miller, there are no questions about Nils' hockey IQ... in any zone of the ice. Furthermore Schneider and Robertson had the benefit of playing against kids that are half their size. Whereas Nils, a smaller guy whose wheels are good but not spectacular has been playing against men and is heavily relied on in all facets of the game. He's a complete player already -- but at what point does he hit his ceiling?

Meanwhile, Schneider barely played in the worlds just as Lundkvist was getting the most ice of any player on Team Sweden and getting points just as often as he did in the SHL.

Schneider or Robertson may turn out to be exactly what this team NEEDS. But Nils might be a difference maker period. That said, I don't know what Nils will be in the NHL -- but let's see first. The issue with him was always will his game and physical maturity ever match his hockey IQ. It seems like it has. And will only get better. He rarely makes the wrong play on the ice. Derek Stepan, based on his physical make up and speed should have never been a #1C in this league but his elite hockey IQ made the difference. Nils is a similar case. I am dead set against trading Nils until we see him in the NHL play meaningful minutes and we can see what we have.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

If Nils is going to be traded in needs to be in a package for an impact player at their position, not simply to quote unquote fill a need.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Rangers have zero need for a prime LHD with the 30,000 in the system. They could get a vet Cup Winner UFA one as a 7D is about as far as I'd go.

Fair point, but he's only signed 2 years and maybe by then one of Jones/Robertson etc would be ready at a 3M cap hit, not horrible and would be a defensively responsible partner for Nils.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

If Nils is going to be traded in needs to be in a package for an impact player at their position, not simply to quote unquote fill a need.

absolutely, puck moving RHD are VERY valuable in the NHL, ESPECIALLY if you can play in your own zone.

 

[SA16]

What about trying to pry Curtis Lazar out of Boston for our 4C? He looked pretty good there and is a solid defensive player. Could always be some untapped potential and he only costs 800k. Would a package around Jake Elmer and Adam Huska work?

 

[NYR Viper]

So here’s what I have been thinking actually typed out:

Strome + Gauthier for Foligno + MIN 2nd

Buch + Howden for Holloway + Khaira

Signings:
Barclay Goodrow
3 years at $2m per season
Jamie Oleksiak
3 years at $3m per season
Philip Danault
6 years at $5.5m per season

Laf-Zibanejad-Kaako
Panarin-Chytil-Kravtsov
Kreider-Danault-Foligno
Khaira-Rooney-Goodrow
Blackwell

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Oleksiak-Lundqvist
Bitetto

 

[SA16]

Looks like a team that would be in the Shane Wright sweepstakes.

 

[Mac n Gs]

So here’s what I have been thinking actually typed out:

Strome + Gauthier for Foligno + MIN 2nd

Buch + Howden for Holloway + Khaira

Signings:
Barclay Goodrow
3 years at $2m per season
Jamie Oleksiak
3 years at $3m per season
Philip Danault
6 years at $5.5m per season

Laf-Zibanejad-Kaako
Panarin-Chytil-Kravtsov
Kreider-Danault-Foligno
Khaira-Rooney-Goodrow
Blackwell

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Oleksiak-Lundqvist
Bitetto

Viper, please, for the love of all things holy…it’s Lundkvist.

 

[CommaSynapse]

If you’re trading with Carolina, just be sure to pick up Jack Drury as well and right the 2018 2nd round selection.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

So here’s what I have been thinking actually typed out:

Strome + Gauthier for Foligno + MIN 2nd

Buch + Howden for Holloway + Khaira

Signings:
Barclay Goodrow
3 years at $2m per season
Jamie Oleksiak
3 years at $3m per season
Philip Danault
6 years at $5.5m per season

Laf-Zibanejad-Kaako
Panarin-Chytil-Kravtsov
Kreider-Danault-Foligno
Khaira-Rooney-Goodrow
Blackwell

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Oleksiak-Lundqvist
Bitetto

Danault isn’t signing here to be a third line center

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Was fooling around on capfriendly after that Carolina idea popped into my head.

Panarin-Trocheck-Greenway
Lafraniere-Zibanejad-Kakko
Kreider-Chytil-Kravtsov
Foligno-Barron-Foegle
Rooney

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
? (plenty of cap to sign partner, just need to make a choice) Lundkvist
Bietto

Shesterkin
Kinkaid

Trades..
Buchnevich for Trocheck + Foegle
Strome and 2022 2nd for Greenway and Foligno (Wild fans offered me Greenway for Strome and a pick instead I chose a bottom six player with grit and gave them the 2nd)

Signings
Chytil - 6 years 24M


Left over cap - 12.5M

30M the following year to sign or replace Zib, Trocheck, Fox, Greenway, Kakko and Kravtsov

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Viper, please, for the love of all things holy…it’s Lundkvist.

The next 10 years will be fun

 

[bl02]

What about trying to pry Curtis Lazar out of Boston for our 4C? He looked pretty good there and is a solid defensive player. Could always be some untapped potential and he only costs 800k. Would a package around Jake Elmer and Adam Huska work?

Played extremely well with buffalo and the bruins down the stretch. Was an underrated loss when he was knocked out vs islanders

 

[Irishguy42]

Viper, please, for the love of all things holy…it’s Lundkvist.

He's just reminding us of how Sam will pronounce it for the first few years of Nils' NHL career.

 

[jay from jersey]

Or trouba or fox's best assets will be wasted here. Let's see what we've got in Nils first. If he turns to be the next Lidstrom (not offensively, but a mainstay top pairing D for 15 years and part of the team leadership) you won't be happy he was ever moved in lieu of moving other D. The thing with Nils that makes him someone to hold as long as possible -- unlike Schneider or Robertson or Miller, there are no questions about Nils' hockey IQ... in any zone of the ice. Furthermore Schneider and Robertson had the benefit of playing against kids that are half their size. Whereas Nils, a smaller guy whose wheels are good but not spectacular has been playing against men and is heavily relied on in all facets of the game. He's a complete player already -- but at what point does he hit his ceiling?

Meanwhile, Schneider barely played in the worlds just as Lundkvist was getting the most ice of any player on Team Sweden and getting points just as often as he did in the SHL.

Schneider or Robertson may turn out to be exactly what this team NEEDS. But Nils might be a difference maker period. That said, I don't know what Nils will be in the NHL -- but let's see first. The issue with him was always will his game and physical maturity ever match his hockey IQ. It seems like it has. And will only get better. He rarely makes the wrong play on the ice. Derek Stepan, based on his physical make up and speed should have never been a #1C in this league but his elite hockey IQ made the difference. Nils is a similar case. I am dead set against trading Nils until we see him in the NHL play meaningful minutes and we can see what we have.

he may be all that. But I just don’t see how he’s going to put all his attributes on display the way this team is currently constructed. With Fox on PP1 nils isn’t going to get a lot of time maybe 25-30 seconds with no meaningful zone time. I can’t see any way possible Trouba-Miller isn’t a thing next year, and for the near foreseeable future.
Having said that, I don’t think it’s helpful for nils game to be playing 12-15 min a night max against other teams 3rd and 4th lines beyond this year.
Barring some unforeseen long term injury to Fox or Trouba I just don’t know when he gets a chance, and that’s with Schneider more then likely ready after a full year in Hartford. I also don’t think they would relegate trouba to 3rd line duty while paying him 8 mill a season. Even the haters of Trouba cannot justify it. He’s not going to be that bad and he’s not old so his game isn’t likely to fall off a cliff anytime soon.
It’s not that I don’t like nils or don’t want him to succeed. I have lofty expectations for him just like everyone else. Maybe not as high as others, but what helps us more?? Having him playing 3rd pair. Minutes and PK, or the prize he would bring back in a trade package??

it doesn’t have to be Dvorak, Cirelli, Lindholm type.
It could be a center on ELC. But just like nils, those players aren’t likely traded until they see Some kind of NHL action. I just think where he helps this roster the most is the prize he’s going to return in trade rather then 3rd pair min with Pk time. His value is sky high right now. How much higher is he going to make it in that kind of role,???

 

[Ola]

wtf are you talking about , NYI are loaded with bad contracts and they're gonna in the Cup

Bad contracts according to who?

 

[Ola]

Clayton Keller

You don’t think he could be traded??

 

[Raspewtin]

fills 2 massive holes in our line up with young players who don’t have albatross contracts while dealing from a position of strength prospect wise.

Dvorak is exactly the type of center everyone is clamoring for to play with Panarin, and Crouse is a great 4th liner that is big, hits, everything, can score occasionally, and very good on the Pk.

Dvo signed to good cap/term and Crouse is a RFA next year who will get a minor raise. How is that one of the worst?

just in theory, you’re presenting a trade where we get back a player that, at best, is exactly what he have in chytil and a 4th liner…..for chytil/buch and our best prospect?

it just doesn’t make sense. we get absolutely wrecked in value

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

If you’re trading with Carolina, just be sure to pick up Jack Drury as well and right the 2018 2nd round selection.

If we get the GM's nephew for free in a year or two I wonder if that will finally make the league do something about the loophole (to the extent that it can)

 

[jay from jersey]

just in theory, you’re presenting a trade where we get back a player that, at best, is exactly what he have in chytil and a 4th liner…..for chytil/buch and our best prospect?

it just doesn’t make sense. we get absolutely wrecked in value

dude, please don’t look at just numbers. Dvorak is a superior player to Chytil in almost every facet of the game. He doesn’t really have any help on the wings in terms of offensive and he plays in a game plan that offensively inept. All while playing against opposing teams best defenders. Chytil doesn’t do that. If he did, he would have played over strome all last year.

and forget Dvorak for a minute. Because I think Cirelli is the guy they are truly going to go after. But the package to get either guy is going to be mighty similar.
Crouse would be a wonderful addition to this team . Has everything we lack.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

just in theory, you’re presenting a trade where we get back a player that, at best, is exactly what he have in chytil and a 4th liner…..for chytil/buch and our best prospect?

it just doesn’t make sense. we get absolutely wrecked in value

Yes but we get some "tuffness" and that's all you need to win, I guess.

 

[jay from jersey]

Yes but we get some "tuffness" and that's all you need to win, I guess.

Maybe nils can stare at them all from the bench while Fox runs the PP and him lindgren and Trouba and Miller get the bulk of the minutes