Speculation: Roster Building Thread V (2021 Offseason) - Hold them horses, only 45 days left until the draft!

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Did you guys not watch Graves in the Vegas series? He was beyond terrible, plus he's a borderline NHL skater at best. All a reunion would accomplish is have Graves replace Marc Staal or Libor Hajek as the boards' whipping boy. Pass.

Vegas is one of the top 3 best teams in the league, they make a lot of people look bad. Graves was a top 4 dman on Colorado right? Here he would be on the bottom pair, sheltered minutes, penalty killing. He brings an element that’s sorely lacking on this team. You can do a lot worse as a third paring dman.
 
Lundkvist is possibly the best defensive prospect in hockey. Your trade suggestion was awful.
Most have Seider in the top spot . Then depending on which fan base you ask they’ll have Byram, Guhle, and Lundkvist in the conversation. He certainly deserves it. I just don’t see him upping his value more if he’s stuck on 3rd pair with no PP time. If he makes the switch and we get top 4 play and minutes for him great. But I don’t think the rangers are going to do that
 
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We gave him away for nothing, but maybe we can get him back? Wouldn't' he be a great option to pair with Lundkvist?

From Denver post

Comment: Johnson, limited to just four games because of injuries, is expected to waive his no-movement clause to allow the Avs to protect Girard, Toews and restricted free agent Cale Makar in the expansion draft. Graves is a prime target for the Seattle Kraken. Byram is exempt from the draft, along with signed prospects Justin Barron and Nate Clurman.

If Colorado really might lose Graves to Seattle, maybe we should pounce and offer something?

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba (This pair played well when Trouba was healthy)
Graves-Lundkvist

Many Avs fans want Graves dumped . He likely overachieved and got too much money so I’d stay away
 
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I’m not saying nils isn’t a great prospect. But barring injury, they only way we get the max out of him for the good of the franchise, and frankly for the good of his development overall as a whole is if he makes the switch to LD and is paired with Trouba knocking Miller down. After this season, it doesn’t do the rangers any good or nils if he’s too sheltered. And unfortunately Trouba is here to stay. At least for a while. 3 years at a minimum until the nMC is done. I think he’s moveable after that. But that’s what I’m asking honestly. Do you see nils on a 3rd pair for 3 years with minimal PP time?? Cause I definitely don’t. And I know they aren’t crazy about guys playing their off sides especially since LD has a pretty impressive 3-4 guys there already.

I just don’t ever think Trouba is going to play bad enough to have them paying him 8 mill a year to be a 3rd pair D with minimal minutes. You all know the 3 pairs don’t get equal time and Fox has a stranglehold on the point in the PP. if you guys don’t like the player I suggested, that’s all fine and dandy, but from where I’m sitting, because of RD depth and because nils is a very good prospect he would bring back the biggest prize Via trade.

his value is sky high right now, I just don’t see how he’s going to make it any higher playing 3rd pairing D with limited minutes and opportunities to show off his myriad of talents
What's the rush? Let that scenario play out. Our last RD problem was too many because of ADA. You never know what will happen in a season.

I would also argue that his value isn't sky high. If he comes in and has a great rookie season, his value increases. If Schneider is forcing a tough decision, we open the bidding.

This season isn't some nexus. We play well or don't. Make the playoffs or don't. There is some artificial ticking clock and everyone is rushing to take the next big step. To hell with some window based on Panarin and Trouba.

Worst case scenario is you use Lundkvist as an asset because the tea leaves say there isn't a fit. Anaheim had a decision with Manson and Theodore. Theodore was a bribe to not pick Manson in expansion. Just a redundant organizational piece worth more as an asset instead of a player. We don't even have an expansion decision to force our hand. Wait this one out.
 
I'd be apprehensive in trading Chytil until the new coaching staff gets their hands on him.

Hopefully they could iron out the kinks and help him grow

22 points in 42 games, a 45 point pace.

Played only 13 minutes a game, 10th among our forwards (3rd line minutes)

Younger than Lindgren and Fox.

His corsi was very respectable this year.

I think people think Chytil is older than he is because of how quickly he started out in the NHL post draft. He's not a finished product at all.
 
22 points in 42 games, a 45 point pace.

Played only 13 minutes a game, 10th among our forwards (3rd line minutes)

Younger than Lindgren and Fox.

His corsi was very respectable this year.

I think people think Chytil is older than he is because of how quickly he started out in the NHL post draft. He's not a finished product at all.
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I’ve posted this a thousand times and I’ll post it a thousand more if I have to. If Drury trades Chytil I am going to be upset on multiple levels:

1. Because we traded an awesome player.

2. Because the new FO is clearly not looking at the right things to guide decision making.
 
Miller Fox
Lindgren Trouba
Lundkvist/Robertson/Schneider

is that the projected d-corps? Is Lundkvist given a chance on the left side? I honestly wish we could keep them all.
Why would you’ll split up pairs that worked this year?

Lindgren/Fox
Miller/Trouba

seems the starting point
 
A lot of the discussion of how defenseman minutes will be allocated has a lot to do with

1) special teams usage
2) Who draws the short straw when the bench is shortened

Let's say 2 years from now the D corps is

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Robertson-Lundkvist

With Schneider knocking on the door.

All six of those guys project to be PK competent defensemen.

Fox, Trouba, Lundkvist are your PP defensemen.

So if you're the coach and want to be strategic with the minutes, you make sure that the three blueliners not seeing regular PK time are among the top two pairings in kill situations. Robertson, Lindgren, Miller. Throw in one additional guy (Trouba or Fox, likely) and you've got a balance among minutes.


Alternative scenarios include a bottom pairing of Lundkvist-Schneider, Robertson-Schneider, or Jones-Schneider. But I don't think we will be thinking about 'top and bottom' pairings as much if players develop well. Miller may well surpass Lindgren in ability. Lundkvist may surpass Trouba. Who knows.
 
Why would any team do a sign and trade for a guy they could go after for free in a month? Seems like the Canes are trying to save face.
Seems like a negotiating tactic by Carolina. Let Dougie see what he’s worth on the open market with a flat cap. Might make whatever CAR is offering look better - or worse. Who knows.

But yeah, sign and trade?
 
A lot of the discussion of how defenseman minutes will be allocated has a lot to do with

1) special teams usage
2) Who draws the short straw when the bench is shortened

Let's say 2 years from now the D corps is

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Robertson-Lundkvist

With Schneider knocking on the door.

All six of those guys project to be PK competent defensemen.

Fox, Trouba, Lundkvist are your PP defensemen.

So if you're the coach and want to be strategic with the minutes, you make sure that the three blueliners not seeing regular PK time are among the top two pairings in kill situations. Robertson, Lindgren, Miller. Throw in one additional guy (Trouba or Fox, likely) and you've got a balance among minutes.


Alternative scenarios include a bottom pairing of Lundkvist-Schneider, Robertson-Schneider, or Jones-Schneider. But I don't think we will be thinking about 'top and bottom' pairings as much if players develop well. Miller may well surpass Lindgren in ability. Lundkvist may surpass Trouba. Who knows.
I know you're doing a pure hypothetical but Schneider might be knocking on the door by next season
 
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Seems like a negotiating tactic by Carolina. Let Dougie see what he’s worth on the open market with a flat cap. Might make whatever CAR is offering look better - or worse. Who knows.

But yeah, sign and trade?

If that's their tactic they should be prepared for it to blow up in their face. It's the lower and mid tier guys that are gonna get squeezed out by the flat cap not guys like Hamilton.
 
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I know you're doing a pure hypothetical but Schneider might be knocking on the door by next season

Yeah there's a dozen possible permutations, I didn't even touch on any involving Zac Jones or a possible Miller demotion.

Picture may be a bit clearer after they've made some trades this offseason.
 
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This Hamilton thing screams negotiation tactic. In saying that, with the recent news of the Hurricanes assistant coach being allowed to look around and now Hamilton being given the 'okay' to look around, does Brindamour not look around as well? I mean, how long can the owner nickel and dime the guys who he needs to be successful?
 
he may be all that. But I just don’t see how he’s going to put all his attributes on display the way this team is currently constructed. With Fox on PP1 nils isn’t going to get a lot of time maybe 25-30 seconds with no meaningful zone time. I can’t see any way possible Trouba-Miller isn’t a thing next year, and for the near foreseeable future.
Having said that, I don’t think it’s helpful for nils game to be playing 12-15 min a night max against other teams 3rd and 4th lines beyond this year.
Barring some unforeseen long term injury to Fox or Trouba I just don’t know when he gets a chance, and that’s with Schneider more then likely ready after a full year in Hartford. I also don’t think they would relegate trouba to 3rd line duty while paying him 8 mill a season. Even the haters of Trouba cannot justify it. He’s not going to be that bad and he’s not old so his game isn’t likely to fall off a cliff anytime soon.
It’s not that I don’t like nils or don’t want him to succeed. I have lofty expectations for him just like everyone else. Maybe not as high as others, but what helps us more?? Having him playing 3rd pair. Minutes and PK, or the prize he would bring back in a trade package??

it doesn’t have to be Dvorak, Cirelli, Lindholm type.
It could be a center on ELC. But just like nils, those players aren’t likely traded until they see Some kind of NHL action. I just think where he helps this roster the most is the prize he’s going to return in trade rather then 3rd pair min with Pk time. His value is sky high right now. How much higher is he going to make it in that kind of role,???
Remember, he might bump Fox to the second unit
 
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