Speculation: Roster Building Thread V (2021 Offseason) - Hold them horses, only 45 days left until the draft!

[Tob]

Gelinas back in the Metro Division with Carolina. By pre-season game 2 Eric Gelinas will have become yet another diamond in the rough, easily a top 4 defenseman with the potential to be a rock on the top pairing if needed.

How does Carolina do it?

 

[Machinehead]

I can't

 

[DutchShamrock]

They would probably have to move Chytil in a Cirelli trade

I would do it but I understand the apprehension.

But we can swing a futures deal to save them cap space. Chytil wouldn't exactly be a defensive replacement, a bit redundant with their make up.

It's a cop out, but there will be so much upheaval this summer it's nearly impossible to speculate on the nuts and bolts of hypothetical deals.

 

[bleedblue94]

I love the opinions in here, but if people think chytil is a better or more complete player than Dvorak it shows how little people have actually watched Dvorak.

That being said buch and nils for Dvorak and Crouse is too much. Swap nils for a lesser prospect and you may be onto something but I doubt arz trades Dvorak for a winger, even a very good one like buch.

 

[mas0764]

Sign Chytil 8y/3.5m AAV

Front-load that contract as much as possible with signing bonuses in the first few years.

I can’t imagine he signs that deal.

 

[Raspewtin]

I love the opinions in here, but if people think chytil is a better or more complete player than Dvorak it shows how little people have actually watched Dvorak.

That being said buch and nils for Dvorak and Crouse is too much. Swap nils for a lesser prospect and you may be onto something but I doubt arz trades Dvorak for a winger, even a very good one like buch.

Chytil is a possession monster with still developing but unreal puck protection and forechecking ability that scores a ton of ES points. what does Dvorak do that's so different other than score way less at ES and win faceoffs? I know he's physical-ish but Chytil is too.

And before you say Arizona can't score, Chytil literally never plays with top 6 players. He has neglibile icetime with almost all of the Rangers top scorers and he gets no PP time. Dvorak gets icetime with every high end player Arizona has ever had.

 

[mas0764]

Not a specialist, it’s a big part of his game. Teams play their top 4 more then their third pair. Fox and trouba will be doing that in the interim, then Schneider enters the picture as well. Lundkvist is a great asset, but some of his best attributes are going to be wasted here. You can keep him on 3rd pair his rookie season. In real life rangers aren’t going to pay Trouba 8 mill a yr to be a 3rd pair guy

Lundkvist is possibly the best defensive prospect in hockey. Your trade suggestion was awful.

 

[mas0764]

I like the idea of Trocheck.

Carolina already has too many wingers as it is (in addition to centers) and their need is going to be defense if Hamilton leaves. Skjei is also garbo.

Maybe they would be into Jones?

We better do better than Gauthier if we go that route again.

 

[UnSandvich]

Lundkvist is possibly the best defensive prospect in hockey. Your trade suggestion was awful.

I'd have him behind at least Seider, and probably Byram, but your point stands

 

[mas0764]

I'd have him behind at least Seider, and probably Byram, but your point stands

Lundkvist should bring back a young #1 center and that’s about it. Like Zegras. Or in a package for Eichel.

Nothing less than that. Not a winger. Not a defenseman. Not a “#2” center like Lindholm or Dvorak (especially not if we are also adding Chytil).

A #1 or he stays.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

We gave him away for nothing, but maybe we can get him back? Wouldn't' he be a great option to pair with Lundkvist?

From Denver post

Comment: Johnson, limited to just four games because of injuries, is expected to waive his no-movement clause to allow the Avs to protect Girard, Toews and restricted free agent Cale Makar in the expansion draft. Graves is a prime target for the Seattle Kraken. Byram is exempt from the draft, along with signed prospects Justin Barron and Nate Clurman.

If Colorado really might lose Graves to Seattle, maybe we should pounce and offer something?

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba (This pair played well when Trouba was healthy)
Graves-Lundkvist

I actually like that idea. LD with size and snarl. And you know NYR are familiar with him.

 

[Machinehead]

We better do better than Gauthier if we go that route again.

I was fine with that trade. Sometimes players just don't work out.

 

[bobbop]

You don’t think he could be traded??

Not at his full contract value. 7 years, over $50 MM for .6 PPG?

 

[bobbop]

I love the opinions in here, but if people think chytil is a better or more complete player than Dvorak it shows how little people have actually watched Dvorak.

That being said buch and nils for Dvorak and Crouse is too much. Swap nils for a lesser prospect and you may be onto something but I doubt arz trades Dvorak for a winger, even a very good one like buch.

I’ll second this. Dvorak is a nice middle six center. No more, no less. Streaky but not a game changer in any way.

I don’t know where all this love is coming from.

Oh yeah…Jersey.

 

[Lays]

Lundkvist is possibly the best defensive prospect in hockey. Your trade suggestion was awful.

I would easily take Seider over him

 

[Machinehead]

Losing Trouba didn't hurt because he's big. Losing Trouba hurt because it left us with one NHL pair.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Looks like a team that would be in the Shane Wright sweepstakes.

I don't see how we get any better with those moves. Penciling in Kravtsov in a top-6 role would be a mistake IMO as well.

 

[NYRangers16]

Not a specialist, it’s a big part of his game. Teams play their top 4 more then their third pair. Fox and trouba will be doing that in the interim, then Schneider enters the picture as well. Lundkvist is a great asset, but some of his best attributes are going to be wasted here. You can keep him on 3rd pair his rookie season. In real life rangers aren’t going to pay Trouba 8 mill a yr to be a 3rd pair guy

True. So prospect for prospect, or let him develop until Trouba’s NMC expires. Easy. Not our biggest issue.

 

[NYRangers16]

dude, please don’t look at just numbers. Dvorak is a superior player to Chytil in almost every facet of the game. He doesn’t really have any help on the wings in terms of offensive and he plays in a game plan that offensively inept. All while playing against opposing teams best defenders. Chytil doesn’t do that. If he did, he would have played over strome all last year.

and forget Dvorak for a minute. Because I think Cirelli is the guy they are truly going to go after. But the package to get either guy is going to be mighty similar.
Crouse would be a wonderful addition to this team . Has everything we lack.

You know what would be nice? Verification. It would be nice to know people’s status before they post. Who knows if a person is a current GM, reporter, player(LOL where are you ADA), etc. Sorry Jay, you are my quote. Who is Larry? Where is Gorts? Anonymity has it’s limits.

 

[Machinehead]

I don't see how we get any better with those moves. Penciling in Kravtsov in a top-6 role would be a mistake IMO as well.

At some point, we have to let guys play. If we pencil him in for that role and he fails, what happens? We miss the playoffs? Oh the humanity.

Also, lines really don't matter. Our best line is Panarin's line. Full stop. Ryan Stome, Jesper Fast, and Colin Blackwell have been our first line the last two years. Did the world end? Did Panarin not put up a ton of points both seasons?

 

[NYR94]

Gelinas back in the Metro Division with Carolina. By pre-season game 2 Eric Gelinas will have become yet another diamond in the rough, easily a top 4 defenseman with the potential to be a rock on the top pairing if needed.

How does Carolina do it?

I had to google Eric Gelinas to see if this was a joke or something. I thought he retired. Turns out he's been in Europe for a few years.

 

[Machinehead]

Some top nines of Cup winning teams:

2014:

Gaborik-Kopitar-Brown
King-Stoll-Williams
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli

2015:

Saad-Toews-Kane
Bickel-Richards-Hossa
Sharp-Vermette-Teravainen

2016:

Guentzel-Crosby-Sheary
Kunitz-Malkin-Rust
Hagelin-Bonino-Kessel

And us in 2014:

Pouliot-Brassard-Zuccarello
Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Hagelin-Richards-St. Louis

All of these feel like they're in no particular order, have all-stars on the "third line," and include hot lines that just found a spark late in the season.

 

[gravey9]

he may be all that. But I just don’t see how he’s going to put all his attributes on display the way this team is currently constructed. With Fox on PP1 nils isn’t going to get a lot of time maybe 25-30 seconds with no meaningful zone time. I can’t see any way possible Trouba-Miller isn’t a thing next year, and for the near foreseeable future.
Having said that, I don’t think it’s helpful for nils game to be playing 12-15 min a night max against other teams 3rd and 4th lines beyond this year.
Barring some unforeseen long term injury to Fox or Trouba I just don’t know when he gets a chance, and that’s with Schneider more then likely ready after a full year in Hartford. I also don’t think they would relegate trouba to 3rd line duty while paying him 8 mill a season. Even the haters of Trouba cannot justify it. He’s not going to be that bad and he’s not old so his game isn’t likely to fall off a cliff anytime soon.
It’s not that I don’t like nils or don’t want him to succeed. I have lofty expectations for him just like everyone else. Maybe not as high as others, but what helps us more?? Having him playing 3rd pair. Minutes and PK, or the prize he would bring back in a trade package??

it doesn’t have to be Dvorak, Cirelli, Lindholm type.
It could be a center on ELC. But just like nils, those players aren’t likely traded until they see Some kind of NHL action. I just think where he helps this roster the most is the prize he’s going to return in trade rather then 3rd pair min with Pk time. His value is sky high right now. How much higher is he going to make it in that kind of role,???

Before you go off and trade Nils keep in mind not a single defenseman currently on the roster had as a prospect the resume and impact as Nils has had. Adam Fox did quite well in college in regards to production, but I would argue that Nils has been equally as productive as Fox, esp when you adjust for level of competition. In addition, he wasn't even drafted for his offensive production. Let's just wait and see.

Lastly, I seem to remember the Rangers won a Stanley Cup with Leetch and Zubov. Two elite puck movers. Lightning have Hedman and Sergachev. Boston had Krug and McAvoy. Blackhawks Keith and Seabrook. We could have Fox and Lundkvist or Fox/Jones. If I had to choose at this moment who I'd prefer to keep re: 2nd puck moving D I would keep Lundkvist as I think he has a more well rounded sturdy game than Jones. And I happen to like Jones. What I'm saying is, the old Rangers regime refused to play D on their off-side for the most part. So, everyone is looking at Nils and Schneider and going what do we need more of? Toughness! And it's a bit of a knee jerk reaction. I tend to see it as we can't likely have a roster with Nils, Fox and Jones long term. I think the choice is about keeping 2 of those 3. I think Schneids fills a need but if Nils delivers what he's delivered in other leagues you don't move him. And certainly not as part of a package of several assets for some vet with a bloated contract who will only be with the team 5-6 years. I strongly believe we need to wait and see with Nils. Think about how much better the Rangers metrics are with Fox on the ice. Now imagine you have another guy with similar impact on the back end. I'm not saying Nils is that. But I have a feeling he might be close.

 

[Boris Zubov]

We gave him away for nothing, but maybe we can get him back? Wouldn't' he be a great option to pair with Lundkvist?

From Denver post

Comment: Johnson, limited to just four games because of injuries, is expected to waive his no-movement clause to allow the Avs to protect Girard, Toews and restricted free agent Cale Makar in the expansion draft. Graves is a prime target for the Seattle Kraken. Byram is exempt from the draft, along with signed prospects Justin Barron and Nate Clurman.

If Colorado really might lose Graves to Seattle, maybe we should pounce and offer something?

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba (This pair played well when Trouba was healthy)
Graves-Lundkvist

I actually like that idea. LD with size and snarl. And you know NYR are familiar with him.

Did you guys not watch Graves in the Vegas series? He was beyond terrible, plus he's a borderline NHL skater at best. All a reunion would accomplish is have Graves replace Marc Staal or Libor Hajek as the boards' whipping boy. Pass.

 

[jay from jersey]

Before you go off and trade Nils keep in mind not a single defenseman currently on the roster had as a prospect the resume and impact as Nils has had. Adam Fox did quite well in college in regards to production, but I would argue that Nils has been equally as productive as Fox, esp when you adjust for level of competition. In addition, he wasn't even drafted for his offensive production. Let's just wait and see.

Lastly, I seem to remember the Rangers won a Stanley Cup with Leetch and Zubov. Two elite puck movers. Lightning have Hedman and Sergachev. Boston had Krug and McAvoy. Blackhawks Keith and Seabrook. We could have Fox and Lundkvist or Fox/Jones. If I had to choose at this moment who I'd prefer to keep re: 2nd puck moving D I would keep Lundkvist as I think he has a more well rounded sturdy game than Jones. And I happen to like Jones. What I'm saying is, the old Rangers regime refused to play D on their off-side for the most part. So, everyone is looking at Nils and Schneider and going what do we need more of? Toughness! And it's a bit of a knee jerk reaction. I tend to see it as we can't likely have a roster with Nils, Fox and Jones long term. I think the choice is about keeping 2 of those 3. I think Schneids fills a need but if Nils delivers what he's delivered in other leagues you don't move him. And certainly not as part of a package of several assets for some vet with a bloated contract who will only be with the team 5-6 years. I strongly believe we need to wait and see with Nils. Think about how much better the Rangers metrics are with Fox on the ice. Now imagine you have another guy with similar impact on the back end. I'm not saying Nils is that. But I have a feeling he might be close.

I’m not saying nils isn’t a great prospect. But barring injury, they only way we get the max out of him for the good of the franchise, and frankly for the good of his development overall as a whole is if he makes the switch to LD and is paired with Trouba knocking Miller down. After this season, it doesn’t do the rangers any good or nils if he’s too sheltered. And unfortunately Trouba is here to stay. At least for a while. 3 years at a minimum until the nMC is done. I think he’s moveable after that. But that’s what I’m asking honestly. Do you see nils on a 3rd pair for 3 years with minimal PP time?? Cause I definitely don’t. And I know they aren’t crazy about guys playing their off sides especially since LD has a pretty impressive 3-4 guys there already.

I just don’t ever think Trouba is going to play bad enough to have them paying him 8 mill a year to be a 3rd pair D with minimal minutes. You all know the 3 pairs don’t get equal time and Fox has a stranglehold on the point in the PP. if you guys don’t like the player I suggested, that’s all fine and dandy, but from where I’m sitting, because of RD depth and because nils is a very good prospect he would bring back the biggest prize Via trade.

his value is sky high right now, I just don’t see how he’s going to make it any higher playing 3rd pairing D with limited minutes and opportunities to show off his myriad of talents