would not want him for free. seems like a headcase. not a fan. rather have traded for Evander Kane if they wanted some kind of drama. who actually competes.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread V (2019/2020)
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NYR Viper
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If that's the price then I'm out. And that's okay.
It's a measured interest from me
id rather resign Kreider than trade for Laine. more of a team type of player
SA16
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Laine had one bad year. He had a 2.16 pts/60 his first two years at 5v5. He had the 3rd best PP G/60. He's a bad possession player. So what? He mitigates that by making the times where his team does have possession much more valuable than his opponents because his line will shoot much more efficiently than they do.
He's not a bad 5v5 player. He's a bad possession player.
He has a career on ice shooting percentage of 10.6%. He has a career on ice shooting percentage against of 8.3%. With those numbers a 44.1CF% would equate to a 50% GF%. It's not variance that his on ice shooting percentage is high. It's because he's a good shooter. It's honestly lower than I'd expect too. Stamkos is the same way.
He's not a bad 5v5 player. He's a bad possession player.
He has a career on ice shooting percentage of 10.6%. He has a career on ice shooting percentage against of 8.3%. With those numbers a 44.1CF% would equate to a 50% GF%. It's not variance that his on ice shooting percentage is high. It's because he's a good shooter. It's honestly lower than I'd expect too. Stamkos is the same way.
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offdacrossbar
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hes got 40 easy and 50 upside.
hes a huge man and has that shot. as a sniper, he perhaps the top guy other than maybe ovie.
if hes available, you kick the tires.
like i said, CK and a righty dman would be the ask so lets say this
CK
ADA/ fox
staal
andersson
assuming buff is gone, 2 dmen to play right away and 2 forwards.
laine and a 2nd
i would think about it
NYR Viper
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Oscar Lindberg
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Laine is a good player, I think he has some bad habits that I’d rather not introduce to the team.
But I’d be kidding myself if I my interest wasn’t peaked at him potentially being here.
I just don’t see the need though. The wings are covered long term.
Committing another sizeable deal to a winger atm doesn’t seem wise. It’s the same gripe I have with giving Kreider a long term deal
But I’d be kidding myself if I my interest wasn’t peaked at him potentially being here.
I just don’t see the need though. The wings are covered long term.
Committing another sizeable deal to a winger atm doesn’t seem wise. It’s the same gripe I have with giving Kreider a long term deal
offdacrossbar
misfit fanboy
why ? really ?
CK clears space and is an FA. no brainer
staal clears space and opens a spot. same.
andersson is a 50/50 guy
ADA or fox can they both play here and prosper ?
to add a 40-50 goal guy whos 21 yrs old ? and a pick
you gotta kick the tires man
offdacrossbar
misfit fanboy
good points really and i agree. prefer to have that high end center.
ck gone. add laine.
fox gone. add ADA
staal gone. add hajek
andersson gone. add howden.
i still like that.
If Laine was available, it would be silly to not at least kick the tires on it. I mean I don't see a way to make it work, and it doesn't address our center need, but you're still talking about an easy 40+ goal guy. Like I said, you at least have to look at it, even if there's a .0000001% chance of a deal being made.
Ask about Laine? Sure. Realistic? Not in any way I can see. The Rangers can't afford him cap-wise without sending back multiple big contracts, none of whom would be a top-six center or top-4 RHD which is likely what the Jets want. Could they send ADA back in the deal? Sure, but that would look pretty bad on the Jets swapping Trouba and Laine for Pionk, ADA, and some other parts in the span of a few months.
Additionally, Laine wants a pay day. The Rangers can't have Laine and Panarin on major contracts on the wing with Kravtsov and Kakko on the horizon. That's just asking for trouble.
Additionally, Laine wants a pay day. The Rangers can't have Laine and Panarin on major contracts on the wing with Kravtsov and Kakko on the horizon. That's just asking for trouble.
bleedblue94
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Would people do Kreider, Names, Lindgren and Anderson/Howden with a non 1st round draft pick?
I realize that is potentially five assets going the other way, but Kreider is on a one year deal going to a place he probably wont resign, Names is in there solely for cap reasons, and Lindgren is in for an almost ready d man that can contribute (we have a ton of d prospects).
I realize that is potentially five assets going the other way, but Kreider is on a one year deal going to a place he probably wont resign, Names is in there solely for cap reasons, and Lindgren is in for an almost ready d man that can contribute (we have a ton of d prospects).
i rather trade for another defenseman to push Marc Staal out of a job. wishful thinking. i don't think they need another forward unless it is a center with skill size and able to look comfortable on the 2ed line.
bleedblue94
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I think people need to be realistic in that Staal is going to be here through his contract or at worst until the TDL of when it expires. For all his warts on the ice he provides the kind of professionalism that you want around a young core of players to pass the torch. Once he shifts into a 3rd pair pk player his game presence wont be as much of a sore herpe for people as it is now
In a bubble I'd take Laine in a heartbeat. That dude would a score a shit ton of goals in our lineup and there's always room for that kind of pure goal scoring ability.
That said, I can't envision any realistic way he ends up on the roster that I'd be comfortable with.
That said, I can't envision any realistic way he ends up on the roster that I'd be comfortable with.
I also think the bad rep Laine gets is exaggerated, I think he wants out of Winnipeg and is trying to make himself impossible. They have lost that room.
Laine can compete really hard and play a pretty physical game.
Laine makes us real wing heavy. It’s probably not that good of an idea. Kreider and Lundkvist for Laine? Nah, I think it’s best to not go there. Not with the cap.
Could we really build a team around like these guys under the cap longterm??
Laine-Ziba-Kakko
Panarin-Lias-Buch
Lemieux-Chytil-Kravy
Howden-Boo-Fast
Skjei-Trouba
Miller-TDA
Hajak-Fox
Cheap goalies
It would go north of 100m in a hurry, and it’s when we have to re-up the kids we get into trouble...
Laine can compete really hard and play a pretty physical game.
Laine makes us real wing heavy. It’s probably not that good of an idea. Kreider and Lundkvist for Laine? Nah, I think it’s best to not go there. Not with the cap.
Could we really build a team around like these guys under the cap longterm??
Laine-Ziba-Kakko
Panarin-Lias-Buch
Lemieux-Chytil-Kravy
Howden-Boo-Fast
Skjei-Trouba
Miller-TDA
Hajak-Fox
Cheap goalies
It would go north of 100m in a hurry, and it’s when we have to re-up the kids we get into trouble...
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DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Don't see how Laine fits in terms of cap space not to mention whatever the asking price would be which is going to be tremendous.
Thirty One
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Laines ask is prob 7-8 m from us, so lets see how that would work. Kreider is 4 something and hed want 6.5 to 7. That means we would match that number with maybe a million more. Do a 3 or 4 yr deal. Names goes, thats -4, then deangelo goes, would be -1, and i think it works. Wouldnt give up andersson, thats too much for them. Id give maybe joey keane and ik itd be a fleece but they need rd. Id do that deal easy. Let kakko play with chytil and laine. The finnish aspect carries some merit. Add in the fact that kakko can set up just as nice as finish, with chytil able to pass amazingly too, id think thats a fiercer line than kreider-chytil- kakko and the pp would be even more lethal when you can replace kreider with maybe a less efficient option, but it could work out well, panarin-laine-kakko- mika- trouba. Thats a top 3 pp easy. Just messing around with this idea, but def one im not against.
Matt Rentfree
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I'm in no way advocating that we should trade for Laine, but in the scenario you present, Names' and Kreider's money both come off the books next season (if neither re-signs). I feel like if we're making that trade, at least one big $ contract that's longer than 1 year has to be going back. Staal has a NMC and Henrik isn't going anywhere (nor should he). That leaves Smith - he would HAVE to be included in any trade for Laine in my opinion.
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offdacrossbar
misfit fanboy
adding laine to this lineup and subtracting kreider plus brendan smith and ADA or fox plus names and a prospect doesnt scare me at all.
thats like 13-14 mil gone.
and one of the best goal scorers in the league added.
yeah i would be interested for sure.
CK
fox or ADA
smith
names
kid
laine and a 2nd.
sign me the f*** up
thats like 13-14 mil gone.
and one of the best goal scorers in the league added.
yeah i would be interested for sure.
CK
fox or ADA
smith
names
kid
laine and a 2nd.
sign me the f*** up
bleedblue94
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Very possibly true, but then you should expect the pick to be a 1st rounder OR lindgren to be upgraded to a better d prospect that can help them now if you want the jets to take such a substantial long term cap dump. In my scenario I am looking at it that our major contract increases are coming in two years when most of the big money is coming off our cap already, so it could work.
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